thank you for that.. however the only charger i have apart from the ups is a trickle charger.. i see 2.0A written underneath mine.... the rest is in... well mandarin...
2.0A is fine, at least it will halve the charge time compared to the UPS’s own charge circuit.
okay.. so here is what i am planning to do.. so bear (bare?) with me.. i ordered a "smart" charger.. i will plug this into my 2 batteries(power bank) at night.. pump it full of happy watts.. unplug when i wake up.. and connect that to the mppt to the same 2 batteries.. so i will my use 3 electronics (pc monitor, modem) on the same power bank.. .. and whatever the solar panels actually get.. i kinda use..kinda made my own UPS... this way.. the power bank wont have 2 separate power sources at the same time... AND.. i built in a cut off switch on negative side from mppt to power bank to break the solar charging circuit to safely plug in the smart charger...im no elon musk or Stephen Hawking.. but i SHOULD get 10 hours of use out of this during the daytime... and yes i used billionaire genius Elon Musk first, he is after all half Cannuck...
quick question though.. for my occasional insomnia nights.. can i use my crappy inverter with the power bank while the "smart" charger is charging the power bank ?
quick question though.. for my occasional insomnia nights.. can i use my crappy inverter with the power bank while the "smart" charger is charging the power bank ?
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NO what will happen the charger will try to feed your inverter + the amps the inverter is pulling.
A battery /battery bank is more or less a sponge that lets it's self be filled with --------fare less demand---- and the charger is made for that in mind.
I know than you say why can the MPPT charge controller do it with the solar panels and again it was designed for charging and using your inverter at the same time.
One way to get to where you would like to be is if where you are in the world if you can find used golfcart batteries.
When I first was figuring all this out I bought 10 6volt used batteries and wired two in series to make 12 volt sources than wired those 5 sets in parallel for my 12volt bank.
I use AGM batteries now but cost of those was a leap.
The only way I could see you right now powering system is with a larger battery bank, more solar panels and or a wind generator when there is no sun that might buy you more run time at night with less batteries.
Or just realize you might have down time to top off system and only be able to use than.
Don't freak about the price I only give you this link for educational purposes to understand what I meant by wind generator.
All-in-One Hybrid Wind & Solar Freedom™ Kit | 24 Volt
Hybrid Solar and Wind kits are the easy way to bring clean power to your home no matter your experience. Get the equipment you need to break free of the grid.
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But again to help your with your question about using the smart battery charger and using the inverter at the same time your going to have magic smoke or fire.
so as it stands my only option is to work with i know already works...... i have 2 inverters.. 1 is 300 watts.. scary chernobyl looking thing... the other is 1000.. BOTH.. will not keep my 23 inch lcd monitor on(brand name chiworld).. so ill just coonnect my power bank to the ups.. i figure.. if it i plug it into my gigantic 2x 12v 50ah battery bank while it is fully charged.. the charging portion of the ups will not be overtaxed... and it will function as always.. i will draw 200 watts and the ups inverter will provide 200 watts.. no different than it is doing at this very moment... and if i have a power outage.. i will just unhook the ups from the grid and charge it with the rapid "smart" charger that is on its way here... and somehow i will impliment my solar system to this power bank and save money on my electric bill
i mean i COULD just order a beefier bigger inverter.. but .. im poor as F***
i mean i COULD just order a beefier bigger inverter.. but .. im poor as F***
okay thank you for that.. as for pricing.. everything is amazingly cheaper being so close to China... although.. im still pathetically poor.. coming from a socialist country and being thrust into capitalism isnt easy..NO what will happen the charger will try to feed your inverter + the amps the inverter is pulling.
A battery /battery bank is more or less a sponge that lets it's self be filled with --------fare less demand---- and the charger is made for that in mind.
I know than you say why can the MPPT charge controller do it with the solar panels and again it was designed for charging and using your inverter at the same time.
One way to get to where you would like to be is if where you are in the world if you can find used golfcart batteries.
When I first was figuring all this out I bought 10 6volt used batteries and wired two in series to make 12 volt sources than wired those 5 sets in parallel for my 12volt bank.
I use AGM batteries now but cost of those was a leap.
The only way I could see you right now powering system is with a larger battery bank, more solar panels and or a wind generator when there is no sun that might buy you more run time at night with less batteries.
Or just realize you might have down time to top off system and only be able to use than.
Don't freak about the price I only give you this link for educational purposes to understand what I meant by wind generator.
All-in-One Hybrid Wind & Solar Freedom™ Kit | 24 Volt
Hybrid Solar and Wind kits are the easy way to bring clean power to your home no matter your experience. Get the equipment you need to break free of the grid.
But again to help your with your question about using the smart battery charger and using the inverter at the same time your going to have magic smoke or fire.
my ONLY online ordering platforms are lazada.. shopee.. and tiktok shop...no amazon here....
my largest solar panel.. that claims to be 400 watts only cost ummm.. 25$cad ???
the upper most top one claims to be 400watts+
and yes the roof is ugly.. but i learned that in the Philippines, i cannot judge...
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friday night.. 2351.. discovered a magical fluid called gin, i suspect that i am intoxicated so i will keep my Quebec yap shut or risk offending the republicans.. or the umm liberals ???
that is all bonne nuit, and goodnight..
but to RE-explain myself, i want to replace the 12v 7ah battery with my power bank which is 2x 12v 50ah batteries.. and there IS a rapid "smart charger on its way to yours truly... AND a 1/0 gauge cable to solidify the parallel link with something "buick strong"... and should there be a power outage.. i will just unplug the ups from the wall and safely charge the 2 parallel linked batteries with this cool looking smart charger.. if any of you super smart nerds see any issues with this.. im all ears.. the solar panel integration into this can wait for a later date.. im sure with diodes it can be done... i will stop here before i confess my addiction to Celine Dion... goodnight.. take care and FFS dont eat spam...
that is all bonne nuit, and goodnight..
but to RE-explain myself, i want to replace the 12v 7ah battery with my power bank which is 2x 12v 50ah batteries.. and there IS a rapid "smart charger on its way to yours truly... AND a 1/0 gauge cable to solidify the parallel link with something "buick strong"... and should there be a power outage.. i will just unplug the ups from the wall and safely charge the 2 parallel linked batteries with this cool looking smart charger.. if any of you super smart nerds see any issues with this.. im all ears.. the solar panel integration into this can wait for a later date.. im sure with diodes it can be done... i will stop here before i confess my addiction to Celine Dion... goodnight.. take care and FFS dont eat spam...
btw, i simply adore how that link is called a "freedom kit"... as for wind power. i just need ANY table fan that has permanent magnets inside the rotor and im solid... .. and the one that i have coming to me now even has pos and neg cables to simplify my life.. so all i need is a fin.. and poop.. free power.. well not much.. i suspect only 10-20 watts.. but that is 10-20 watts i didnt have before... and im on the 2nd floor.. and as you can see from my photo.. the roof is right there.. yes its scarier than a chinese math exam. but if i pray to all 115 Gods, i imagine ill be fine..NO what will happen the charger will try to feed your inverter + the amps the inverter is pulling.
A battery /battery bank is more or less a sponge that lets it's self be filled with --------fare less demand---- and the charger is made for that in mind.
I know than you say why can the MPPT charge controller do it with the solar panels and again it was designed for charging and using your inverter at the same time.
One way to get to where you would like to be is if where you are in the world if you can find used golfcart batteries.
When I first was figuring all this out I bought 10 6volt used batteries and wired two in series to make 12 volt sources than wired those 5 sets in parallel for my 12volt bank.
I use AGM batteries now but cost of those was a leap.
The only way I could see you right now powering system is with a larger battery bank, more solar panels and or a wind generator when there is no sun that might buy you more run time at night with less batteries.
Or just realize you might have down time to top off system and only be able to use than.
Don't freak about the price I only give you this link for educational purposes to understand what I meant by wind generator.
All-in-One Hybrid Wind & Solar Freedom™ Kit | 24 Volt
Hybrid Solar and Wind kits are the easy way to bring clean power to your home no matter your experience. Get the equipment you need to break free of the grid.
But again to help your with your question about using the smart battery charger and using the inverter at the same time your going to have magic smoke or fire.
im kinda tipsy so ill shutup before i unintentionally offend anyone.. goodnight..
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My best guess is you have fried a component inside the the UPS/inverter.
Again and it's not what you want to hear but you need a better sinewave inverter.
I see so many issues even if we took the UPS/inverter out of the factor.
Wire gauge to high.
The alligator clips are fine if your were needing to charge a cell phone off a battery not run an inverter. It pulls to many amps from the inverter.
Put it this way you can arc weld off a 12 volt battery there is extreme power inside it.
Off A/C power lets say your computer uses 250 watts. That's about 2.1 amps off a 120 volts A/C wall outlet.
You take that same 250 watts and from the inverters point of view running off batteries.
Off a 12 volt battery system 12 volts x 20.8 amps =250 watts
or
Off a 24 volt battery system 24 volts x 10.4 amps =250 watts
I'm not trying to complain about your wiring but you can't change the laws of electrical power and hope for a different result.
Your right about the transformer but look at the back of the UPS/inverter there really is not much as far as components that goes to it.
It's not meant to be a workhorse just a back-up to save your open work on a computer than turn off.
Safety wise having all that open and exposed to personal injury is a big concern.
Helping people on this forum is what we do to be part of a solution, but you have a lot of personal injury ready to happen as how your going about trying make this function.
I'm not sure the Mods on this forum should let this thread move forward unless safety was not first and foremost a number one issue rectified.
Again and it's not what you want to hear but you need a better sinewave inverter.
I see so many issues even if we took the UPS/inverter out of the factor.
Wire gauge to high.
The alligator clips are fine if your were needing to charge a cell phone off a battery not run an inverter. It pulls to many amps from the inverter.
Put it this way you can arc weld off a 12 volt battery there is extreme power inside it.
Off A/C power lets say your computer uses 250 watts. That's about 2.1 amps off a 120 volts A/C wall outlet.
You take that same 250 watts and from the inverters point of view running off batteries.
Off a 12 volt battery system 12 volts x 20.8 amps =250 watts
or
Off a 24 volt battery system 24 volts x 10.4 amps =250 watts
I'm not trying to complain about your wiring but you can't change the laws of electrical power and hope for a different result.
Your right about the transformer but look at the back of the UPS/inverter there really is not much as far as components that goes to it.
It's not meant to be a workhorse just a back-up to save your open work on a computer than turn off.
Safety wise having all that open and exposed to personal injury is a big concern.
Helping people on this forum is what we do to be part of a solution, but you have a lot of personal injury ready to happen as how your going about trying make this function.
I'm not sure the Mods on this forum should let this thread move forward unless safety was not first and foremost a number one issue rectified.
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