£400 setup, monitor and pc

[cubingminer8]

My cousin recently asked me if he could get a good gaming pc and decent monitor for £400

He's planning to play games like rainbow 6 seige and csgo. He is also wanting it to be as small as possible so probably mini tower m-atx.

I was thinking of doing a ryzen 3 system with a A320 motherboard. The only problem with this is ddr4 prices being what they are and miners snatching up all the GPUs which are perfect for this build

Any input will be greatly appreciated

 

[cubingminer8]

Good gaming PC,yes, monitor no. unless you get a refurb on here 7ebook.co

I figured that would be the case. how much would a refurb monitor be

 

[cubingminer8]

To save money, get a PSU/case combo.

any that you recommend

 

[cubingminer8]

Depends what resolution? 1080p https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Iiyama-Prolite-E2280HS-21-5-HDMI-1920-x-1080p-LED-Monitor-Wall-Mount/272845937147?epid=622191471&hash=item3f86e299fb:g:mtMAAOSweLBaXdSL. are you including windows too?

1080p 16:9060hz 5 ms or bellow. standard 1080p gaming monitor.

not sure about windows

 

[cubingminer8]

CiT are quite good. https://www.amazon.co.uk/CiT-Templar-Micro-Interior-Supply/dp/B00JKW3EMU/ref=sr_1_7?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1517660801&sr=1-7&keywords=cit they also do cheap seperate PSUs. Ignore people who say "It will blow up your pc" etc. I've had them for years with GTX cards and they run fine.

Edit: not going to do that

 

[g-unit1111]

CiT are quite good. https://www.amazon.co.uk/CiT-Templar-Micro-Interior-Supply/dp/B00JKW3EMU/ref=sr_1_7?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1517660801&sr=1-7&keywords=cit they also do cheap seperate PSUs. Ignore people who say "It will blow up your pc" etc. I've had them for years with GTX cards and they run fine.

That is 100% false. Even if it doesn't blow up your computer, it could at the least short it out and take some of your components with you. It may work fine for you for now but just try and add a decent GPU or anything that will cause it to use more power and you will see.

 

[Rogue Leader]

CiT are quite good. https://www.amazon.co.uk/CiT-Templar-Micro-Interior-Supply/dp/B00JKW3EMU/ref=sr_1_7?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1517660801&sr=1-7&keywords=cit they also do cheap seperate PSUs. Ignore people who say "It will blow up your pc" etc. I've had them for years with GTX cards and they run fine.

Yeah... no. This setup is hot garbage, and if you spend any time on this forum you will see people whom have damaged their hardware with junk PSUs like this. OP do not listen to this awful advice.

you can get windows key for like £10 on amazon. All you need to do is download the iso from MS website.

Yeah don't do this either. Those keys are often sold without permission from Microsoft because they are bulk, stolen, etc. We often have users with them whom the keys then get deactivated and their license gets deactivated. Get a legitimate key. As a "former microsoft employee" you should know this.

 

[Darkbreeze]

CiT are among the ALL TIME WORST brands ever sold. Anybody who doesn't know that, doesn't have even a scrap of useful experience or knowledge when it comes to system building. Shameful at best, outright troll at worst and I'm betting on that.

 

[cubingminer8]

CiT are quite good. https://www.amazon.co.uk/CiT-Templar-Micro-Interior-Supply/dp/B00JKW3EMU/ref=sr_1_7?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1517660801&sr=1-7&keywords=cit they also do cheap seperate PSUs. Ignore people who say "It will blow up your pc" etc. I've had them for years with GTX cards and they run fine.

Yeah... no. This setup is hot garbage, and if you spend any time on this forum you will see people whom have damaged their hardware with junk PSUs like this. OP do not listen to this awful advice.

you can get windows key for like £10 on amazon. All you need to do is download the iso from MS website.

Yeah don't do this either. Those keys are often sold without permission from Microsoft because they are bulk, stolen, etc. We often have users with them whom the keys then get deactivated and their license gets deactivated. Get a legitimate key. As a "former microsoft employee" you should know this.

Thanks for the warnings

Any ideas on The monitor situation as it's eating up a massive chunk of the budget if bought new

 

[Rogue Leader]

Thanks for the warnings

Any ideas on The monitor situation as it's eating up a massive chunk of the budget if bought new

Thats tough especially with your budget its almost not doable. I'd consider checking local classifieds for used ones, thats the only way you'd fit in your budget range.

 

[cubingminer8]

I'll have a look around. I'll post back here if there any developments

 

[cubingminer8]

How does that look.

He may have a TV somewhere which he can use in the short term and save up for a monitor later on


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (£82.50 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - A320M GRENADE Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£41.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£59.30 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£36.59 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Inno3D - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB Compact Video Card (£114.99 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Rosewill - SCM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£19.14 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA - 600W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply (£41.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £396.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-02-04 00:00 GMT+0000

 

[Darkbreeze]

Not bad, considering the budget. This would be a lot better though. Those EVGA B1, N1 and W1 units are not great, although they are a lot better than what was being discussed before. This would be miles better for only a few bucks more though, if you can squeeze the money for it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (£82.50 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - A320M GRENADE Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£41.97 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£59.30 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£36.59 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Inno3D - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB Compact Video Card (£114.99 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Rosewill - SCM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£19.14 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Super Flower - Golden Green HX 350W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (£49.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £404.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-02-04 00:08 GMT+0000

 

[g-unit1111]

you can get windows key for like £10 on amazon. All you need to do is download the iso from MS website.

No, do *NOT* do this. Any software license key sold for way less than MSRP is illegitimate and should never be used under any circumstance.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Unless it comes through your company or school, or directly from the Microsoft store during some kind of sale. Otherwise, it's almost certainly been already used, stolen, or otherwise invalid, in nearly 99% of cases. You MIGHT get away with it, for a while, but eventually they just about all get blacklisted and your installation WILL usually de-activate at some point or other.

 

[Darkbreeze]

That is terrible, and completely unsubstantiated advice. It's no wonder you are an EX microsoft dev, if in fact you actually are. I suspect however that you are not since you are not aware that Microsoft has no need to issue a key of any kind. They can simply extend a digital entitlement to anybody with a registered Microsoft account, any time they wish. No key needed. If you had ever worked for Microsoft, you would be aware of that.

Plainly, I'm calling BS on everything you've said here and in several other threads as well. Unless you can show us some facts to the contrary, that's how it's going to stand too.

And further, the suggestion that it's a good idea, or that somebody should be open to buying pirated keys is not only fundamentally unsound and wrong, it's also against our rules. Even beyond that, I've personally communicated with people in key positions in Microsoft and as I've communicated to our staff and other moderation members, the final word from Microsoft is that they do not EVER, EVER, sell licenses or keys through ANY of the retail channels themselves except for the Microsoft store, and they do not EVER authorize ANY of their authorized retailers to sell them below common retail pricing structures. No valid keys that are approved for sale by Microsoft will ever find it's way onto one of these gray sites.

They might not all get blacklisted, but anybody selling keys ~20 dollars or more below average retail has either stolen them, is selling previously used keys or has absconded with them from a list of those included with a bulk OEM purchase, which is the same as stealing them.

Microsoft has flatly answered my inquiries with the direct statement that any key sold on sites like Kinguin, CDkeys, digital-racks, G2A and similar "gray" sites is NOT being sold by an authorized reseller and if it is not being sold by an authorized reseller then it is not valid and will more likely than not get blacklisted at some future point. The only, ONLY reason, most of these have not had this happen yet, and a lot of them have, is that Microsoft simply wanted to get everybody hooked into and onto Windows 10 first, for their own reasons such as the data mining they have done though that platform, but at some point there is likely to be a mass blacklisting. Even if there isn't, it is still in the interest of everybody who buys or uses Microsoft products, and expects them to support those products, to see any money for said products going into Microsoft for development and operating costs, and to maintain shareholder profits, rather than going into the pockets of scammers and mafia operations who are generally the ones that are involved with the mass theft of product keys.

Anything beyond that, I'll leave up to somebody else to smack this entire notion down with.