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Ok so I think It's time for a new PC

I have a £450 ex VAT budget which is about £520 inc VAT

So far I've come up with for an AMD Build:

AMD Phenom II 720 BE
MSI K9A2 CF-F
HIS Radeon 4850 512mb
OCZ Reaper 2x2GB@1066mhz
OCZ Vendetta 2
OCZ 600w StealthXStream
Antec Three Hundred

And for an Intel Build:

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
Gigabyte GA-EP43-S3L
Asus 4850 1GB
OCZ Gold 2x2GB@1066mhz
Zalman CNPS9700
OCZ 700w StealthXStream
+ £20 case

So which Should I go for and what can I change for the better, I'd also prefer to only order from only one website.

Just to add, I don't need a HD since I'm using my old one and my monitor is at 1920x1200
 
Go for the Intel build, but get DDR2-800 that will run on the JEDEC standard 1.8V. Of the sets I've used, Mushkin is my personal favorite, but a lot of people like G.Skill; A-Data is cheapest.
There are better, cheaper coolers than the Zalman. www.frostytech.com has lists, with technical reviews.
AMD Phenom II can use DDR2-1066, but use a board other than MSI. Gigabyte or Asus would be good. On my last AM2+ build earlier in the month I used an ASRock 790G and it has been up almost 24/7 as a Teamspeak server. I've only taken it down to run some tests on some of my spare hardware and to format some old IDE drives, so I'd buy that board again too.
Why not use the HIS GPU in the Intel build? I just got mine last week, and it is much quieter than the Asus 3850 it replaced.
 

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To answer what you said, Mushkin memory is pretty hard to find in the UK, as is G.Skill, with only a couple of UK site's listing them.

Also to the part about why their generally different is because I set them up on different website's. Ebuyer and eclipse computers. So I'll try the Intel Build on eclipse to see if that makes any difference.
 

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Also for the Intel build, is the Asrock P45TS a good motherboard? because for £52 it just seems to good a deal since it supports FSB's upto 2000 and has DDR3.

And would 2GB of 1600mhz DDR3 be just as good as 4GB of 800MHZ?
 

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Ok I mixed them together and I came out with

Intel Core 2 E8400
Asrock P45TS
Corsair TwinX 4GB 2x2GB 1600mhz DDR3
HIS Radeon HD 4850 512MB
OCZ Vendetta 2
Antec Neo HE 500w
Antec Three Hundred

It comes out at £470 But I get the DDR3 memory which is a nice add-on that the £20 can justify

Anything I could change?
 

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I would drop that DDR3 memory and go with ddr2 1066. There wont be noticable performance difference, but saves you around £40, throw in another £10 in and you got HD4870 instead of 4850, and THAT will make a difference, cosidering your screen resolution
 

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Well £50 goes over the £500 mark and the most I want to spend is £480

So far I think it would be best if I went with this but do you think it would be OK.

Intel Q9400
Asrock P45TS
OCZ Platinum XTC 4GB PC6400 (4-5-4-15)
HIS Radeon 4850 512MB
OCZ Vendetta 2
Coolermaster 520w Real Power Pro
Coolermaster Centurion 532

It'll leave me room for oc'ing later especially the RAM but would it make more sense to go for cheaper RAM and a 4830 so that I could get a Q9650, It would be pushing my budget but i'd get a better performing PC.
 

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First off, don't even think about AMD processors.

Second, at 1900x1200, your best bet is to drop the CPU down to an e5200/e7200 and buy a gtx260 or 4870 1gb. Gaming is all about the GPU, especially at your resolution.
 

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How a bout a switch to a Q6600 and a Asus 4870 512mb or a 4850 1gb

That would end up as

Zalman CNPS7000C-CU
ASUS P5QL PRO iP43
OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC6400 Titanium Memory CL4
Coolermaster Elite 330 Black Case With CM eXtreme Power 650W PSU
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping
PowerColor HD 4870 PCS+ Edition 512MB GDDR5 OC

Oh and the PSU has the same Specs as the OCZ 600w SXS so It wouldn't make any difference if I went for the one included with the case other than I'd save about £30.

Also the 4870 is really pushing it and because the mobo only has one ATA-133 port I need to get a DVD drive into that aswell.
 

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Zalman CNPS7000C-CU
ASUS P5QL PRO iP43
OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC6400 Titanium Memory CL4
Coolermaster Elite 330 Black Case With CM eXtreme Power 650W PSU
Intel Q9550 OEM
ASUS HD 4850 512mb
IDE to SATA dongle
SATA cable

Decided against getting a new DVD drive if I can get a IDE to SATA adaptor for £10 less. So Do you think that build would be OK? It pushes the limit of the Budget.
I'll also probably get a New PSU later when I get enough cash but It should hold up for now since both the 12v rails are at 18a.
 

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I have the same case but with 460W version of the psu and it handles my system pretty well so i guess youre fine PSU-wise.



Exactly

I thought it was supposed to be a gaming machine, if you go quad+4850 you will suffer in 1920x1200 in some games compared to dual+4870. Unless you normally run many apps at the same time and/or you will work with programs that will directly benefit from 4 cores, than drop that quad cpu. As for mobo im sure it comes with at least 2 sata cables, unless ebuyer pulls them out, they didnt on mine though :) You might also want to go with AC Freezer7 instead of that zalman, you save £10 but get tube of AS5 or MX2 thermal compound instead. Do you plan to overclock at all?

Im assuming youre going to use your old HDD, is it IDE? If so than have a look at tons of posts from p5q users UNABLE to boot from ide hdd, and other various problems with various configurations that always include either IDE hdd or dvd. I have p5q pro and i couldt manage to boot any OS from ide hdd, so I would stay away from ide on that board.
 

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If you buy a boxed, ie retail, version of the processor then it will come with a stock Intel fan. If you do not plan on overclocking then this will be perfect.
A note on watercooling, it is expensive, sometimes fiddly to set up and not really required if you don't plan on any big overclocking.

Comment on processor, generally (and this is up for discussion) games are still running better on dual cores.

On graphics cards
- If you went for a P45 motherboard you could add a extra 4850 when games move on
- Or (I think) you could add a 4870 and use the 4850 as a slave
- Or, if the budget doesn't stop you, a 4870.

If there is headroom in the budget go for a new HDD, over time the read/write improves and the disk is generally recognised as a slow component.

Jeremy