1060 max q?

[achrist0418]

while looking into this the new max q is a lesser gpu than the old 1060 standard (laptop). the chips however are identical with the only difference being about a 300mhz down clock on the gpu clock.

it would seem that all anyone buying a new cheaper laptop would need to do is maybe up volt a bit and clock it back to its original factory settings, no? both chips have the same TDP specs

all i can figure is nvidia is price gouging the market, making a lesser gpu to go into the inspiron, acers, and hte like of non eliete getting the higher clocked 1060. given everythign else nvidia has been doing as of late i cant help but see this as a malitious intent to get more money

 

[jr9]

The laptop manufacturer decides the speed which they want the processor and graphics card (if applicable) are going to run at. Cooling and power usage are their primary considerations they must balance with performance. The graphics card and processor are tweaked enough so the designed cooling system can just handle them without the laptop overheating. I don't recommend attempting to overclock the CPU or GPU in a laptop.

 

[achrist0418]

but the gpu is mfg by NVidia at those specs, the oem mfg are not simply downclocking themselves they are making a second chip that "could" be higher performance but are selling it to lesser laptops so users have less of a gaming experience compared to their higher end chips. given both chips are the same exact die and same TDP it makes no sence that the coolinig solution would differ from the 1060 to the 1060 max q.

my last laptop i had a solid 30% OC on my GTX 8600GT, arctic mx5 was all that was needed back then. with the new laptop I'm looking at it seems a bit of undervolting and some liquid metal can still net a 5-10% OC past a 1060 on the 1060 max Q. the issue I'm having here is a non tech savy user is getting forced to buy a GPU that under performs for no other reason than to get more cash out of them.

 

[jr9]

The Max Q exists to lower power consumption which directly is linked to battery life, heat, and noise; all major concerns for laptop buyers and manufacturers. Same GPU clocked lower but it's done for a reason. There is no conspiracy here. If I want full performance I would not buy a laptop with a Max Q but I would if I wanted a quieter and cooler laptop. If I want max performance CPU I would not buy a Core i7 7700T.

You can't really compare overclocking on a 8600 GT vs GTX 1060 because those graphics cards are a over decade apart in age. Many, many things have changed in GPU and laptop design since the 8600 GT.

 

[achrist0418]

i would like a current gen i7 but they just dont seem to sell any laptops other than ultra books with the specs i want and honestly even going 15.6" is smaller than i would like. that being said the costs on these newer laptops are way to much for my budget so that 7577 fits my 900.00 budget plus a little.

I'm not convinced that NVidia isn't pushing for more money here (other reasons and motivations aside) but i get the heat and noise. ive seen users clocking the max Q up to normal specs easily enough. the CPU however i didn't see a "T" listing on it, I'm not sure what that even is, ill have to look into it. ive been out of the scene of comps for a few years now

 

[jr9]

Not sure where you are looking but there are plenty 7th gen Intel gaming laptops with i5 and i7 processors available. Ultrabooks especially on the lower end generally have i3 or i5 processors as they are designed for light computing not workstation or gaming tasks at all.

For around $1000 USD the Acer Predator Helios 300 features a non Q GTX 1060 and a 7700HQ. The ASUS FX503VM is $1000 as well (sale price) and has these same specs except it uses a 3GB GTX 1060. If you want more than a 15.6 inch screen and those specs those laptops are in the $1200-$2000 range.

 

[achrist0418]

the dell i was looking at has support for a modded bios to plug a desktop card into the m.2 port, i wasn't able to find such support when i was looking at that acer, that's why i leaned towards the dell. i wont buy a laptop with out a number pad - that has been the biggest problem when looking at current gen ultra books. would you go with a 7th gen (thinking they are still pretty good) or would you hold off for an 8th gen?

 

[jr9]

Well you aren't looking at ultrabooks entirely because they are a different class of laptops; thinner and don't have graphics cards. They are not gaming laptops. Most full sized gaming laptops have full sized keyboards.

I wouldn't judge laptops based on how well you can customize their internal hardware. They are not designed to be taken apart by end users and you will have issues with your warranty if you damage something in the process of modding.

i7 7th gen laptops are still good and their prices are going to go down when more 8th gen models come out. i7 Coffee Lake laptops with graphics cards are definitely going to be well over $1000 (if you want GTX 1060) so I'd honestly just get one with a 7700HQ and a GTX 1060. The i7 7700QH is still a good CPU and will be for some time.

 

[achrist0418]

that's what i was thinking as far as cpu goes. i had considered the i5 to better fit my budget BUT it seems for an extra 150-200.00 the laptops come with double the ram and double the SSD space to say nothing of the i7 jump so even tho its a bit outside my budget i cant quite justify going with a i5.

i mod everything i own (from blender to cummins diesel truck) the warranty on the computer really dosent mean anything to me, id buy it used BUT with the microcenter sale its less than a 100.00 difference used vs brand new so... in either case "i think" i can take the 7577 and clock it up to match the more expensive laptops and make it the best value out there right now. if there is a better value i havnt found it anyway. i do wish it was a touch screen but i guess i need to give that up if i want to game 🙁 also bummed its only a 15.6... with a 900.00 budget tho i just couldn't find anything that fit everything i wanted.

i just hope i have a computer here that i can use for 3+ years and be able to upgrade to keep up with games that are coming out. i also hope i dont run into any issues here with bugs or unknowns down the road with the hardware setup it has. the intent of course being to install the new amd/NVidia cards two years from now into this thing and match -/+15% desktop performance.