[SOLVED] 10700kf or 3900x

[architect md]

Hi all,

It’s well overdue time for me to upgrade my pc and, though I built my last one reasonably successfully, I have no desire to build this one myself. So I am looking at the following:

Alienware Aurora R10

or

Alienware Aurora R10

the only difference between the is the cpu; the Intel i7 10700kf or the AMD r9 3900x.

I hear the AMD is much better but the i7 seems to do better for gaming (primary use). I’m also interested in which will run cooler / quieter and which will have slightly better longevity. Any thoughts appreciated, thanks.

TLDR: Intel i7 10700kf or the AMD r9 3900x for gaming pc.

 

[Nemesia]

" I have no desire to build this one myself "

I know you have no intention of building that system but I think you should get someone you know to build it for you. Take a look at that Ryzen system price you linked and now look at the system below. Anything can be changed in the system below. The case, cpu cooler to AIO. The CPU to a 5950X could even fit in that Alienware price. It's crazy.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor (£571.51 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler (£89.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£159.95 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£167.09 @ Newegg UK)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£111.98 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£130.25 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card (£843.67 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P600S ATX Mid Tower Case (£132.99 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£129.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit (£168.29 @ Newegg UK)
Total: £2504.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-15 11:37 GMT+0000


And for the games. The system below would perform exactly the same as the one above and it's 500 dollars cheaper than that Alienware with a better CPU still for gaming than the 3900X. The Ryzen 5000 series is amazing for gaming. Especially the 5600X.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (£311.51 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£79.99 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£159.95 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£167.09 @ Newegg UK)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£97.98 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£92.29 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card (£843.67 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case (£72.65 @ More Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£129.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit (£168.29 @ Newegg UK)
Total: £2122.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-15 11:44 GMT+0000


I'd totally build that system If I could for you instead of letting you buy a pre-built where you do not have the hardware you should have for that price.

 

[architect md]

" I have no desire to build this one myself "

I know you have no intention of building that system but I think you should get someone you know to build it for you. Take a look at that Ryzen system price you linked and now look at the system below. Anything can be changed in the system below. The case, cpu cooler to AIO. The CPU to a 5950X could even fit in that Alienware price. It's crazy.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor (£571.51 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler (£89.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£159.95 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£167.09 @ Newegg UK)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£111.98 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£130.25 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card (£843.67 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P600S ATX Mid Tower Case (£132.99 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£129.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit (£168.29 @ Newegg UK)
Total: £2504.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-15 11:37 GMT+0000


And for the games. The system below would perform exactly the same as the one above and it's 500 dollars cheaper than that Alienware with a better CPU still for gaming than the 3900X.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (£311.51 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£79.99 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£159.95 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£167.09 @ Newegg UK)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£97.98 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£92.29 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card (£843.67 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case (£72.65 @ More Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£129.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit (£168.29 @ Newegg UK)
Total: £2122.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-15 11:44 GMT+0000

Wow, thank you for the input!

It’s worth noting that the Alienware has 15% off at the moment making it £2000 - £2200 ish and comes with the added benefits of cost to build and warranty included in that. Though obviously not as good a CPU. Will the 5600x make a big FPS difference over the 3900x?

 

[Nemesia]

Wow, thank you for the input!

It’s worth noting that the Alienware has 15% off at the moment making it £2000 - £2200 ish and comes with the added benefits of cost to build and warranty included in that. Though obviously not as good a CPU. Will the 5600x make a big FPS difference over the 3900x?

Let's say I was to build that exact system they sell. Since they don't say anything about what brand and model they sell you i had to guess. It could go as low as 1800 with some changes because I did not buy the cheapest possible motherboard and RAM and drive and everything. If Alienware does put the cheapest it's almost a 800 dollars difference.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor (£383.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£119.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£159.95 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£135.47 @ More Computers)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£92.29 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card (£843.67 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: Corsair HX Platinum 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£160.99 @ Currys PC World Business)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£94.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £1991.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-15 12:03 GMT+0000

Yes there is a good difference with Ryzen 5000 and 3000 for gaming. By the way the 3600X, 3700X, 3800X, 3900X and 3950X all perform close to each other in games. It's the same thing for the Ryzen 5600X, 5800X, 5900X, 5950X. Unless the games start using more cores there won't be a big difference. You could get a Ryzen 5800X or 5900X just for the amount of Cores to be a bit more future proof in case stuff start asking for 8 core+ in a few years.

That's a lot more money they ask for that system. Find yourself a PC builder pay him a hundred dollars and a pizza and save yourself a lot of money. Warranty and support line are not worth that much. For that amount of money if a part break you will be able to use that money to pay for it and I really doubt you will have issues if you get someone to build it for you.

 

[architect md]

Let's say I was to build that exact system they sell. Since they don't say anything about what brand and model they sell you i had to guess. It could go as low as 1800 with some changes because I did not buy the cheapest possible motherboard and RAM and drive and everything. If Alienware does put the cheapest it's almost a 800 dollars difference.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor (£383.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£119.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£159.95 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£135.47 @ More Computers)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£92.29 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card (£843.67 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: Corsair HX Platinum 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£160.99 @ Currys PC World Business)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£94.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £1991.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-15 12:03 GMT+0000

Yes there is a good difference with Ryzen 5000 and 3000 for gaming. By the way the 3600X, 3700X, 3800X, 3900X and 3950X all perform the same in games. It's the same thing for the Ryzen 5600X, 5800X, 5900X, 5950X. Unless the games start using more cores there won't be a difference. You could get a Ryzen 5800X or 5900X just for the amount of Cores to be a bit more future proof in case stuff start asking for 8 core+ in a few years.

That's a lot more money they ask for that system. Find yourself a PC builder pay him a hundred dollars and a pizza and save yourself a lot of money. Warranty and support line are not worth that much. For that amount of money if a part break you will be able to use that money to pay for it and I really doubt you will have issues if you get someone to build it for you.

Thanks Nemesia.

I see your point though my thought process at the moment is that your quote for 1990 doesn’t seem to include a case (?) but even so if I add £100 to get it built we are close to £2100. The Alienware version is £2200 with the current 15% off so only £100 more?

 

[mdd1963]

Alienware often equals $1500 worth of parts with a $2500 price, if you are lucky, and, even worse near the top-end. $2500 parts with a $4999 price, or worse, as they like to charge more than double parts costs for RAM upgrades, additional drives, and/ or even a larger SSD)

Unless the goofy shaped case means that much to you, I'd just have a builder or a shop build it for you if you are not comfortable with building it yourself.

 

[jtk2515]

I dont know much about the UK prices but this seems likes a better site. At least you can get a 5900x

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Best of Luck. Wish I could help more