[SOLVED] 1080p 144hz build

[Lidzar]

Hi, I need advice on building a pc for playing the last and upcoming games at max settings 1080p 144 fps, here’s the components that I’ve already chosen:

Motherboard:
MSI MEG Z390 ACE

RAM:
Team Group Night Hawk RGB 16 GB DDR4 (how many Mhz?)

All In One Liquid Cooler:
Thermaltake Floe Riing RGB 360 TT Premium Edition

Fans:
Thermaltake Riing Plus 12 RGB Radiator Fan TT (x6)

Power supply:
Seasonic Focus Plus (wattage?)

SSD:
Intel 660p 1TB

Case:
LIAN LI PC-O11 Dynamic Designed by Razer

Are they good? Should I change something? What GPU (Rtx) and CPU (Intel) should I go with?

 

[Darkbreeze]

9700k and 2070 or 2070 Super would be the primary optimal choices here, given the fact that you already have a Z390 board selected.

For the memory, 3200mhz with a CL 14 or 15 would be good. I'd recommend a set of G.Skill Trident Z or Ripjaws sticks. The Team memory is not particularly good quality unless you go with 300-3200mhz CL 14 models. And those are not cheap. At that price, it would still make more sense to go with a set of G.Skill sticks, as they're a far more proven brand. Team is fine for budget builds or when other products aren't available. If you can't get G.Skill memory in your region, then Team isn't a terrible choice, but I'd opt for Corsair over Team if you can get it.

 

[Lidzar]

9700k and 2070 or 2070 Super would be the primary optimal choices here, given the fact that you already have a Z390 board selected.

For the memory, 3200mhz with a CL 14 or 15 would be good. I'd recommend a set of G.Skill Trident Z or Ripjaws sticks. The Team memory is not particularly good quality unless you go with 300-3200mhz CL 14 models. And those are not cheap. At that price, it would still make more sense to go with a set of G.Skill sticks, as they're a far more proven brand. Team is fine for budget builds or when other products aren't available. If you can't get G.Skill memory in your region, then Team isn't a terrible choice, but I'd opt for Corsair over Team if you can get it.

Power supply wattage?

 

[Darkbreeze]

550w is probably plenty, but I'd prefer to see a 650w unit installed. It will run cooler, last longer, isn't enough bigger to be a waste, gives you enough overhead to still upgrade to a higher end graphics card at some point if you wish to and is enough that if you decide to overclock both the CPU and GPU card, it shouldn't be a problem. 750w if you plan to do heavy overclocking of both.

 

[Lidzar]

And.. for 240 fps 1080?

 

[Phaaze88]

And.. for 240 fps 1080?

Why does that matter when a 144hz monitor can't display that many frames?
That would cause lots of screen tearing anyways, forcing you to enable vertical sync or it's alternatives.

 

[Lidzar]

Why does that matter when a 144hz monitor can't display that many frames?
That would cause lots of screen tearing anyways, forcing you to enable vertical sync or it's alternatives.

Obviously I’m talking about going for a 240hz monitor in that case..

 

[Darkbreeze]

Are you talking about a recommendation for the monitor, or the graphics card, or the CPU, because ALL of them need to be "right" if you want a 240hz configuration.

 

[Phaaze88]

Obviously I’m talking about going for a 240hz monitor in that case..

Your thread was initially referring to 1080p 144hz(it's even in the title)... What made you want to move up?
9700K + 2070 Super, is possibly the best overall combination for 1080p 144hz. Any more than that, and you may as well move up to 1440p instead.

 

[Lidzar]

Are you talking about a recommendation for the monitor, or the graphics card, or the CPU, because ALL of them need to be "right" if you want a 240hz configuration.

I’m talking about a build for a 240hz 1080p monitor

 

[Lidzar]

Your thread was initially referring to 1080p 144hz(it's even in the title)... What made you want to move up?
9700K + 2070 Super, is possibly the best overall combination for 1080p 144hz. Any more than that, and you may as well move up to 1440p instead.

So.. 1080p 240hz isn’t recommended?

 

[Phaaze88]

So.. 1080p 240hz isn’t recommended?

It's a gimmick, just like Nvidia's current ray tracing implementation.
Unless you're one of those folks who are sponsored and competing in those e-sports tournaments, you can skip 240hz.
Stick with 1080p 144hz, or make the jump to 1440p.

 

[Darkbreeze]

You could NEVER, ever, EVER possibly tell the difference between 144hz and 240hz with your eyes. Unless you are a cyborg or have some kind of bionic ocular enhancements. Even competitive gamers, can't possibly see any real, tangible benefit to a 240hz display. Yes, technically it should be smoother if you are hitting near the target FPS, but the human eye isn't going to notice it. Most can't notice anything different over 120hz.

 

[Lidzar]

Perfect! One last thing, is the cooling and the SSD right?

 

[drivinfast247]

It's a gimmick, just like Nvidia's current ray tracing implementation.
Unless you're one of those folks who are sponsored and competing in those e-sports tournaments, you can skip 240hz.
Stick with 1080p 144hz, or make the jump to 1440p.

Just because you don't have it or don't like it doesn't mean it's a gimmick.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Just because you DON'T have it, doesn't mean it's NOT either. 240hz displays make about as much sense as NZXT's "smart device".

 

[Lidzar]

Your thread was initially referring to 1080p 144hz(it's even in the title)... What made you want to move up?
9700K + 2070 Super, is possibly the best overall combination for 1080p 144hz. Any more than that, and you may as well move up to 1440p instead.

I've just seen some benchmarks of the 2070 Super and some games don't even reach the stable 144fps at 1080p at max settings... is it true?

 

[Flayed]

I've just seen some benchmarks of the 2070 Super and some games don't even reach the stable 144fps at 1080p at max settings... is it true?

I don't think the hardware exists to run all games with an average frame rate of 144fps, nevermind a minimum of 144fps at 1080p at max settings.

 

[Lidzar]

I don't think the hardware exists to run all games with an average frame rate of 144fps, nevermind a minimum of 144fps at 1080p at max settings.

So at this point why not going for a 2080ti and an I9-9900k?

 

[Flayed]

So at this point why not going for a 2080ti and an I9-9900k?

Yes if you have the money for it why not?

 

[Phaaze88]

So at this point why not going for a 2080ti and an I9-9900k?

Pretty much the best gaming combo...

Yes if you have the money for it why not?

The reason not to is because of this:
[1080p + 2080Ti] = monitor bottleneck
Terrible combination; gpu will never see 100% usage at that resolution, and there isn't a cpu available that can provide enough frames for that to happen.
It's a good way to throw away ~$500 unless one gets a 1440p or 4k monitor.

I've just seen some benchmarks of the 2070 Super and some games don't even reach the stable 144fps at 1080p at max settings... is it true?

True. You'll have to turn down settings for a steady 144fps.
For reference: https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/gpu/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-super/intel-core-i7-9700k-3-60ghz/ultra

 

[SgtScream]

I've just seen some benchmarks of the 2070 Super and some games don't even reach the stable 144fps at 1080p at max settings... is it true?

Especially games like Metro Exodus. I never thought i'd see the day where games are demanding enough to need a RTX 2080 minimum to push frames high enough to match a 1080p 144hz monitor. I've seen you create many threads over the course of the past couple weeks with builds that include the RTX 2080 TI, which is at the very minimum a 2560x1440p resolution card. Do you have plans to purchase a new monitor? Also how long do you expect this build to last before an upgrade is necessary?

 

[King_V]

It's a gimmick, just like Nvidia's current ray tracing implementation.
Unless you're one of those folks who are sponsored and competing in those e-sports tournaments, you can skip 240hz.
Stick with 1080p 144hz, or make the jump to 1440p.

So.. 1080p 240hz isn’t recommended?

Just because you don't have it or don't like it doesn't mean it's a gimmick.

If one can point to a double-blind study where users could actually tell what refresh rate they're seeing, AND that shows they can respond and play better competitively - ie, react fast enough to take advantage of that 240Hz refresh, I'd absolutely love to see it. ie: that the human eye can see it AND respond to it.

Until such evidence arises, though - I'm gonna agree with @Phaaze88

 

[Flayed]

If I was gunna buy a new gaming monitor (which I'm not) I'd seriously consider a 3440x1440 100 Hz one with freeSync. That seems to me to be a good sweet spot. Or maybe a 120 Hz one if they exist.

 

[Lidzar]

Pretty much the best gaming combo...



The reason not to is because of this:
[1080p + 2080Ti] = monitor bottleneck
Terrible combination; gpu will never see 100% usage at that resolution, and there isn't a cpu available that can provide enough frames for that to happen.
It's a good way to throw away ~$500 unless one gets a 1440p or 4k monitor.



True. You'll have to turn down settings for a steady 144fps.
For reference: https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/gpu/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-super/intel-core-i7-9700k-3-60ghz/ultra

So at 1080p an Rtx 2070 Super is better than a 2080Ti?