[SOLVED] 11600 or 10600
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Darkbreeze
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Get whichever one is cheaper.
The only real differences between these two CPUs is that the 11600 has a newer integrated GPU (UHD graphics 750 instead of UHD graphics 630) and the 11600 natively supports a higher memory speed by default, which doesn't mean one or the other has better overall memory support, just a different default native speed. Other than that, they have the same maximum core boost clock of 4.8Ghz, both have the same 12mb smart cache and both are 65w TDP processors.
The only real differences between these two CPUs is that the 11600 has a newer integrated GPU (UHD graphics 750 instead of UHD graphics 630) and the 11600 natively supports a higher memory speed by default, which doesn't mean one or the other has better overall memory support, just a different default native speed. Other than that, they have the same maximum core boost clock of 4.8Ghz, both have the same 12mb smart cache and both are 65w TDP processors.
Thank you for your reply.
Both CPUS are priced the same, however adding the better VRM board, and cooler make the deference in overall cost. The 10500 is cheaper,.
Considering the igpu deference, the 11600 sounds better, would you leave you recommend power unlocking it?
would the Arctic freezer 34 CO be sufficient? Or should i go with the more potent and twice expensive, Noctua u14s?
Both CPUS are priced the same, however adding the better VRM board, and cooler make the deference in overall cost. The 10500 is cheaper,.
Considering the igpu deference, the 11600 sounds better, would you leave you recommend power unlocking it?
would the Arctic freezer 34 CO be sufficient? Or should i go with the more potent and twice expensive, Noctua u14s?
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So, the Arctic freezer 34 is a good cooler, but, in no way does it compare to the Noctua NH-U14S. At all. Ever.
Bottom line, there really aren't ANY 120mm coolers that could ever hope to compare with the U14S, except, MAYBE, the U12A. Maybe. And, I really don't believe the few reviews showing that it's in the same ballpark. But either way, both are better, by far, than ANY stock cooler would ever be. Period.
I have the U14S. I've had it for like 9 years now. And it has handled EVERY CPU I've thrown at it, even moderately overclocked. So, if you want an opinion on whether that cooler is a good choice, yes, it is.
But, if you want a bit more expansive opinion, then I'd give you my usual copy pasta. It is, however, a bit expansive, so I apologize if it is more than you were looking for.
Below is my list of preferred CPU AIR coolers, also known as Heatsink fans (HSF).
Do not look here for recommendations on water/liquid cooling solutions. There are none to be found.
BEFORE seriously considering ANY cooler, make sure to compare it's height with the maximum CPU cooler height supported by your case. If a cooler won't fit, then there isn't much point in looking at it anyhow unless you are willing to replace the case with a larger, more accomodating model. It should probably go without saying that the recommendations below are NOT intended for systems that incorporate small form factor or mini ITX type enclosures. These are generally for standard ATX tower cases. For recommendations on coolers for very small enclosures, there are many of us around here that can offer some suggestions based on the use case.
A good air cooler works just as well for most applications. There are very few instances I can think of where an AIO will work better than a good air cooler, and even fewer where an AIO will outperform an air cooler if you are willing to buy the right air cooler and then level up by adding some even higher end fans to it.
Loops leak. Heatsinks don't. Pumps fail, FAR more often and usually with far worse consequences, than fans do.
And unlike a heatsink fan assembly, when your pump fails for 99% of AIO coolers, you will be replacing the whole thing, for another 100+ dollars, rather than just a 25 dollar investment for the failure of a fan. Especially since I've rarely seen dual fan coolers have both fans fail at the same time, but even if you factor in two fan failures that's still only about fifty bucks compared to the 100+ it will cost to replace an AIO with a failed pump. And you WILL have a failed pump on most AIO coolers within three years of purchase. Seeing one last longer than five years is possible, but it is not particularly common and we often, very often, see them fail at around the 3 year mark. Sometimes much sooner.
Pump quality and longevity is an area that needs GREAT improvement before AIO coolers will become a primary recommendation for me.
I see a lot of AIO coolers leak and damage hardware as well.
Certainly there are situations where an AIO is called for, or even preferred, but those are MOSTLY aesthetic considerations, because let's face it, a build with an AIO or custom loop generally "looks" a lot cleaner than one that has a big heatsink taking up half the real estate inside your case. When that is the case, I have recommendations for those as well, but I don't offer them unless somebody is specifically asking to go that route.
They are basically listed in order of preference, from top to bottom. To some degree that preference is based on known performance on similarly overclocked configurations, but not entirely. There are likely a couple of units that are placed closer to the top not because they offer purely better performance than another cooler which is below it, but potentially due to a variety of reasons.
One model might be placed higher than another with the same or similar performance, but has quieter or higher quality fans. It may have the same performance but a better warranty. Long term quality may be higher. It may be less expensive in some cases. Maybe it performs slightly worse, but has quieter fans and a better "fan pitch". Some fans with equal decibel levels do not "sound" like they are the same as the specific pitch heard from one fan might be less annoying than another.
In any case, these are not "tiered" and are not a 100% be all, end all ranking. They are simply MY preference when looking at coolers for a build or when making recommendations. Often, which HSF gets chosen depends on what is on this list and fits the budget or is priced right at the time due to a sale or rebate. Hopefully it will help you and you can rest assured that every cooler listed here is a model that to some degree or other is generally a quality unit which is a lot more likely to be worth the money spent on it than on many other models out there that might look to be a similarly worthwhile investment.
Certainly there are a great many other very good coolers out there, but these are models which are usually available to most anybody building a system or looking for a cooler, regardless of what part of the world they might live in. As always, professional reviews are usually an absolutely essential part of the process of finding a cooler so if you are looking at a model not listed here, I would highly recommend looking at at least two or three professional reviews first.
If you cannot find two reviews of any given cooler, it is likely either too new to have been reviewed yet or it sucked, and nobody wanted to buy one in order to review it plus the manufacturer refused to send samples out to the sites that perform reviews because they knew it would likely get bad publicity.
IMO, nobody out there is making better fans, overall, than Noctua, followed pretty closely by Thermalright. So if you intend to match case fans to the same brand on your HSF, those are pretty hard to beat. Of course, Corsair has it's Maglev fans, and those are pretty damn good too, but they tend to be more expensive than what are in my opinion better fans by these other two, so while they are good products they don't have the same noise characteristics and are probably better suited for configurations where sheer brute force is preferred over low noise that still gives good performance. Also, as with most fan models out there, don't look at the specifications for the non-RGB Maglev fan models and think that you'll be getting the same specs on any RGB versions, because you won't. Fans with RGB tend to sacrifice both maximum CFM and static pressure for the right to stuff the RGB electronics under the hood.
Noctua NH-D14 (Replace stock fans with NF-A14 industrialPPC 2000rpm)
Noctua NH-D15/D15 SE-AM4
Noctua NH-D14 (With original fans)
Thermalright Silver arrow IB-E Extreme
Cryorig R1 Ultimate or Universal
Be Quiet Dark rock Pro 4
Noctua NH-D15s
Thermalright Legrand Macho RT
Phanteks PH-TC14PE (BK,BL, OR or RD)
Deepcool Assassin III
Noctua NH-U12A
Thermalright Macho X2
Thermalright Macho rev. C
Thermalright Macho rev.B
Thermalright ARO-M14G (Ryzen only)
SilentiumPC Fortis 3 HE1425
Thermalright Macho direct
Deepcool Assassin II
Noctua NH-U14S
Thermalright true spirit 140 Direct
Cryorig H5
FSP Windale 6
Scythe Ninja 5
Scythe Mugen max
Scythe Mugen 5 rev.B
BeQuiet dark rock (3 or 4)
Thermalright Macho SBM
Noctua NH-U12S
Arctic freezer 34 eSports Duo
Phanteks PH-TC14S
Phanteks PH-TC12DX (Any)
Cryorig H7
Deepcool Gammaxx 400 and 400 v2 (v2 is a better option with some improvements)
It may not be obvious, but is probably worth mentioning, that not all cooler models will fit all CPU sockets as aftermarket coolers generally require an adapter intended for use with that socket. Some coolers that fit an AMD platform might not fit a later AMD platform, or an Intel platform. Often these coolers come with adapters for multiple types of platforms but be sure to verify that a specific cooler WILL work with your platform before purchasing one and finding out later that it will not.
Bottom line, there really aren't ANY 120mm coolers that could ever hope to compare with the U14S, except, MAYBE, the U12A. Maybe. And, I really don't believe the few reviews showing that it's in the same ballpark. But either way, both are better, by far, than ANY stock cooler would ever be. Period.
I have the U14S. I've had it for like 9 years now. And it has handled EVERY CPU I've thrown at it, even moderately overclocked. So, if you want an opinion on whether that cooler is a good choice, yes, it is.
But, if you want a bit more expansive opinion, then I'd give you my usual copy pasta. It is, however, a bit expansive, so I apologize if it is more than you were looking for.
Below is my list of preferred CPU AIR coolers, also known as Heatsink fans (HSF).
Do not look here for recommendations on water/liquid cooling solutions. There are none to be found.
BEFORE seriously considering ANY cooler, make sure to compare it's height with the maximum CPU cooler height supported by your case. If a cooler won't fit, then there isn't much point in looking at it anyhow unless you are willing to replace the case with a larger, more accomodating model. It should probably go without saying that the recommendations below are NOT intended for systems that incorporate small form factor or mini ITX type enclosures. These are generally for standard ATX tower cases. For recommendations on coolers for very small enclosures, there are many of us around here that can offer some suggestions based on the use case.
A good air cooler works just as well for most applications. There are very few instances I can think of where an AIO will work better than a good air cooler, and even fewer where an AIO will outperform an air cooler if you are willing to buy the right air cooler and then level up by adding some even higher end fans to it.
Loops leak. Heatsinks don't. Pumps fail, FAR more often and usually with far worse consequences, than fans do.
And unlike a heatsink fan assembly, when your pump fails for 99% of AIO coolers, you will be replacing the whole thing, for another 100+ dollars, rather than just a 25 dollar investment for the failure of a fan. Especially since I've rarely seen dual fan coolers have both fans fail at the same time, but even if you factor in two fan failures that's still only about fifty bucks compared to the 100+ it will cost to replace an AIO with a failed pump. And you WILL have a failed pump on most AIO coolers within three years of purchase. Seeing one last longer than five years is possible, but it is not particularly common and we often, very often, see them fail at around the 3 year mark. Sometimes much sooner.
Pump quality and longevity is an area that needs GREAT improvement before AIO coolers will become a primary recommendation for me.
I see a lot of AIO coolers leak and damage hardware as well.
Certainly there are situations where an AIO is called for, or even preferred, but those are MOSTLY aesthetic considerations, because let's face it, a build with an AIO or custom loop generally "looks" a lot cleaner than one that has a big heatsink taking up half the real estate inside your case. When that is the case, I have recommendations for those as well, but I don't offer them unless somebody is specifically asking to go that route.
They are basically listed in order of preference, from top to bottom. To some degree that preference is based on known performance on similarly overclocked configurations, but not entirely. There are likely a couple of units that are placed closer to the top not because they offer purely better performance than another cooler which is below it, but potentially due to a variety of reasons.
One model might be placed higher than another with the same or similar performance, but has quieter or higher quality fans. It may have the same performance but a better warranty. Long term quality may be higher. It may be less expensive in some cases. Maybe it performs slightly worse, but has quieter fans and a better "fan pitch". Some fans with equal decibel levels do not "sound" like they are the same as the specific pitch heard from one fan might be less annoying than another.
In any case, these are not "tiered" and are not a 100% be all, end all ranking. They are simply MY preference when looking at coolers for a build or when making recommendations. Often, which HSF gets chosen depends on what is on this list and fits the budget or is priced right at the time due to a sale or rebate. Hopefully it will help you and you can rest assured that every cooler listed here is a model that to some degree or other is generally a quality unit which is a lot more likely to be worth the money spent on it than on many other models out there that might look to be a similarly worthwhile investment.
Certainly there are a great many other very good coolers out there, but these are models which are usually available to most anybody building a system or looking for a cooler, regardless of what part of the world they might live in. As always, professional reviews are usually an absolutely essential part of the process of finding a cooler so if you are looking at a model not listed here, I would highly recommend looking at at least two or three professional reviews first.
If you cannot find two reviews of any given cooler, it is likely either too new to have been reviewed yet or it sucked, and nobody wanted to buy one in order to review it plus the manufacturer refused to send samples out to the sites that perform reviews because they knew it would likely get bad publicity.
IMO, nobody out there is making better fans, overall, than Noctua, followed pretty closely by Thermalright. So if you intend to match case fans to the same brand on your HSF, those are pretty hard to beat. Of course, Corsair has it's Maglev fans, and those are pretty damn good too, but they tend to be more expensive than what are in my opinion better fans by these other two, so while they are good products they don't have the same noise characteristics and are probably better suited for configurations where sheer brute force is preferred over low noise that still gives good performance. Also, as with most fan models out there, don't look at the specifications for the non-RGB Maglev fan models and think that you'll be getting the same specs on any RGB versions, because you won't. Fans with RGB tend to sacrifice both maximum CFM and static pressure for the right to stuff the RGB electronics under the hood.
Noctua NH-D14 (Replace stock fans with NF-A14 industrialPPC 2000rpm)
Noctua NH-D15/D15 SE-AM4
Noctua NH-D14 (With original fans)
Thermalright Silver arrow IB-E Extreme
Cryorig R1 Ultimate or Universal
Be Quiet Dark rock Pro 4
Noctua NH-D15s
Thermalright Legrand Macho RT
Phanteks PH-TC14PE (BK,BL, OR or RD)
Deepcool Assassin III
Noctua NH-U12A
Thermalright Macho X2
Thermalright Macho rev. C
Thermalright Macho rev.B
Thermalright ARO-M14G (Ryzen only)
SilentiumPC Fortis 3 HE1425
Thermalright Macho direct
Deepcool Assassin II
Noctua NH-U14S
Thermalright true spirit 140 Direct
Cryorig H5
FSP Windale 6
Scythe Ninja 5
Scythe Mugen max
Scythe Mugen 5 rev.B
BeQuiet dark rock (3 or 4)
Thermalright Macho SBM
Noctua NH-U12S
Arctic freezer 34 eSports Duo
Phanteks PH-TC14S
Phanteks PH-TC12DX (Any)
Cryorig H7
Deepcool Gammaxx 400 and 400 v2 (v2 is a better option with some improvements)
It may not be obvious, but is probably worth mentioning, that not all cooler models will fit all CPU sockets as aftermarket coolers generally require an adapter intended for use with that socket. Some coolers that fit an AMD platform might not fit a later AMD platform, or an Intel platform. Often these coolers come with adapters for multiple types of platforms but be sure to verify that a specific cooler WILL work with your platform before purchasing one and finding out later that it will not.
Darkbreeze
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It makes no difference. They are essentially the same CPU other than what speed of RAM they natively (Meaning, without setting the XMP profile in the BIOS to it's advertised stable speed.) support and what integrated graphics adapter they come with.
They have the same maximum boost speed and the same thermal design power. One of them is not going to "use more power" or "be hotter" than the other. Conversely, one of them is not going to use less under ANY kind of demanding scenario either. They ONLY difference between the two when it comes to thermal design power is the lower base clock on one of them, and that is mostly irrelevant anyhow so long as the Intel speed step or speed shift are enabled AND the low power C-states are enabled, which, by default, they should be. That means that unless you disable the C-states and Intel speed step/shift, and are idling at the base clock frequency, you wouldn't see any difference in low power usage either, but certainly wouldn't see any difference in peak power usage or heat output under a full load regardless of which CPU you are using. Possibly, given the variables in performance potential and sample quality between ANY two CPUs, even IDENTICAL ones, there might be some very minimal differences in characteristics, but not enough to matter or be apparent outside the lab.
So that means, that in 99% of scenarios, either of those coolers is going to offer the same result regardless of which CPU you put it on. One of them will be better than the other, also regardless of which CPU you put it on. In reality the Arctic freezer should be sufficient, but "sufficient" is a matter of personal perspective as well. And, if you should upgrade to a higher end CPU on this or some future platform, with the current trend being one of TDP going back UP again, instead of down as it was for a couple of generations, you might find then that you wished you had spent the extra money on the better cooler but in truth for what you have either of them is sufficient. If you plan on doing ANY amount of moderate overclocking I'd definitely look past the smaller cooler.
They have the same maximum boost speed and the same thermal design power. One of them is not going to "use more power" or "be hotter" than the other. Conversely, one of them is not going to use less under ANY kind of demanding scenario either. They ONLY difference between the two when it comes to thermal design power is the lower base clock on one of them, and that is mostly irrelevant anyhow so long as the Intel speed step or speed shift are enabled AND the low power C-states are enabled, which, by default, they should be. That means that unless you disable the C-states and Intel speed step/shift, and are idling at the base clock frequency, you wouldn't see any difference in low power usage either, but certainly wouldn't see any difference in peak power usage or heat output under a full load regardless of which CPU you are using. Possibly, given the variables in performance potential and sample quality between ANY two CPUs, even IDENTICAL ones, there might be some very minimal differences in characteristics, but not enough to matter or be apparent outside the lab.
So that means, that in 99% of scenarios, either of those coolers is going to offer the same result regardless of which CPU you put it on. One of them will be better than the other, also regardless of which CPU you put it on. In reality the Arctic freezer should be sufficient, but "sufficient" is a matter of personal perspective as well. And, if you should upgrade to a higher end CPU on this or some future platform, with the current trend being one of TDP going back UP again, instead of down as it was for a couple of generations, you might find then that you wished you had spent the extra money on the better cooler but in truth for what you have either of them is sufficient. If you plan on doing ANY amount of moderate overclocking I'd definitely look past the smaller cooler.
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Besides everything Darkbreeze wrote already the other difference between 10th and 11th gen (beside clock frecuency, integrated GPU and native RAM support ) is the PCIe revision. 10th gen is 3.0, while 11th gen comes with 4.0.
If you fancy to buy a true PCIe gen 4 SSD later on and use all of its performance you will need an 11th gen intel cpu, or a Ryzen 5/7/9 3000/5000 (zen2/zen 3) + B550/X570 mobo.
And I do agree Noctua make some, if not the most awesome air coolers out there.
Cheers
If you fancy to buy a true PCIe gen 4 SSD later on and use all of its performance you will need an 11th gen intel cpu, or a Ryzen 5/7/9 3000/5000 (zen2/zen 3) + B550/X570 mobo.
And I do agree Noctua make some, if not the most awesome air coolers out there.
Cheers
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A big difference between 10th gen and 11th gen is some 19% better performance per clock.
I might suggest as a compromise, looking at the i5-11400.
Here is a review:
www.techspot.com
Whatever cpu you pick, check the noctua suitability chart for your processor.
Here is the chart for the i5-11400:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/Intel-Core-i5-11400-1276
NH-U12s(or redux) is as good as you need to go.
I might suggest as a compromise, looking at the i5-11400.
Here is a review:
Intel Core i5-11400F Review: The New Value Champ
The Core i5-11400F coupled with a B560 motherboard make for an interesting build configuration, as it's significantly cheaper than the Core i5-11600K/Z590 and less than the cost...
www.techspot.com
Whatever cpu you pick, check the noctua suitability chart for your processor.
Here is the chart for the i5-11400:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/Intel-Core-i5-11400-1276
NH-U12s(or redux) is as good as you need to go.
Another difference is that the 11600 comes with PCI-e4.0.
Yes, why not. Some extra performance in the upper clock regions for free.
Yes, great cooler for the 11600. I use a be quiet! Pure Rock 2 to cool a 11600. Deadsilent and max 70 degrees C. You don't have to pay premium Noctua prices for a good CPU cooler.
On techpowerup.com, comparing the 10400 to the 11400 in same review, and in original reviews to see the power unlock numbers.
also on the 11600k review.
Intel Core i5-11400F Review - The Best Rocket Lake - Power Consumption & Efficiency | TechPowerUp
Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200 - Power Consumption & Efficiency | TechPowerUp
Intel Core i5-11600K Review - Impressive Value - Power Consumption & Efficiency | TechPowerUp
also on the 11600k review.
Intel Core i5-11400F Review - The Best Rocket Lake - Power Consumption & Efficiency | TechPowerUp
Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200 - Power Consumption & Efficiency | TechPowerUp
Intel Core i5-11600K Review - Impressive Value - Power Consumption & Efficiency | TechPowerUp
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$180
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144396
MSI MAG B560M BAZOOKA $139.99
or ...
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b560m-aorus-pro/p/N82E16813145332
GIGABYTE AORUS B560M $139.99
https://www.amazon.com/Gelid-Solutions-Black-CPU-Cooler/dp/B00BF3LF2I
Gelid Solutions Phantom Black CPU Cooler $39.99
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B560M-BAZOOKA
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B560M-AORUS-ELITE-rev-10#kf
Black Edition - Gelid Solutions
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Darkbreeze
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Those are all F and K SKUs, which are not realistically comparable to the unlettered regular SKUs like 10500 and 10600. And I don't recall we were ever even talking about the 10400F or 11400F models that I can see. But regardless, I think you've got your answers to the question you were looking for.
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