12,000 RPM hard drives from IBM

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Check it out, I stumbled across this by accident <A HREF="http://www.directron.com/fk320.html" target="_new">here</A>.

This case has been pre-certified by IBM for the soon-to-be-released 12,000RPM hard drives.
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Hopefully this'll mean 10k RPM IDE drives soon.
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Hm... alright!

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I bet that's a pretty pricey drive if it's IDE!?! It doesn't specify! Another marketing hole ...

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No, there's no chance it's IDE. IBM has a 10k RPM SCSI drive, nothing higher. No way they'd release an IDE drive at a higher rotation that their best SCSI drive.

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I was only saying that because it didn't specify. I know better then that to think it was IDE, because why pay the price for an IDE drive at 12,00RPM when SCSI is a better interface. I don't even see why they would even bother with updating IDE rotation speeds ... all it will do is make them unreliable and cheap, or reliable and too expensive ...

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theres a review of the Seagate X15 <A HREF="http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/10/065209&mode=thread" target="_new">here</A>.
 
yes.

the THG review is the 1st generation model. the link i posted is for the 2nd generation 36LP model which boasts larger capacity (36 GB), a bigger cache (8MB), faster access times (3.6 ms), etc.
 
What is new ???
IBM anounced the 36Z15 15K Rpm U160 and U320 SCSI about 6 month ago.
As far as I know you can buy the 36G model and a faster 18G model is supposed to hit the market soon.

Now a 12K Rpm,.... this might be a IDE model. I think putting some 6 from them on a Promise 6 Independent channels with 128M on card cash...... Yammi, might even work for Video editing. :)
 
try <A HREF="http://www.storagereview.com" target="_new">http://www.storagereview.com</A>

they have the lowdown on just about every HDD, CD-ROM, CD-RW, DVD and DVD-RW, SCSI & RAID interface out there.


12,00 is an unusual speed to choose...couldnt get the necessary reliability/density/noise/heat requirements from 15,000rpm maybe?

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StorageReview doesnt have that up-to-date stuff...

Considering IBM has a 15k rpm SCSI, a new IDE would be in order. What, might i ask, would be the problem with using IDE?

The transfer rates of a ata100 are adequate enough to handle anything a 15k can dish out.

One question, why in the world would a HD manufac. have to certify a case for their HD?
 
One question, why in the world would a HD manufac. have to certify a case for their HD?
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I'm sure it's just standard marketing BS. But if it's IDE, it'd make more sense.

I found a 15kRPM by IBM <A HREF="http://www.c-source.com/csource/newsite/ezsearch/newEZSearch_results.asp?grp=g8&desc=Storage- Hard Drives&majdesc=storage products&cat=B8&sub=E1&or_keywords=&sort=vendor&vendor_letter=I" target="_new">here</A>, the only place on PriceWatch that had them. 18gig, for just over $700.

I certainly hope these are IDE, I'll email Directron and see if I can find out anything.

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I had a Seagate 15K drive dieing on me when it was in an apropriate case. This drives require Active cooling and some time heat sink like CPU's, Need to be mounted correctly and using all scrows and have adequat power to operate properly. We are done with the days were your local computer shop used 2 scrows in the good cases to mound the drive.

For about 700$ I can get the 36G model In Europe.
 
why arnt there 10k or 12k rpm IDE drives on the market???

economics and beancounters!

at the moment if you want 10k or 15k drives you must go scsi.
scsi drives are at a price permium compared to ide ones, even at 7200rpm.

if they release a 10k or 12k IDE drive it will suck ALOT of money away from their lucrative SCSI cash cows. and they dont want that.

besides, there is just not enough demand for 10k+ IDE drives.... yet.
us 'high end' users dont constitute a big or profitable enough population group unfortunately.
and when u look at the bog standard mainstream pc busness, many pc's stil ship with 5400rpm drives... 7200 are still considered a 'performance' drive in some sectors.

i would be EXTREEMLY suprised if IBM, maxtor, segate DONT have a 10k ide drive ready to ship in their labs. certainly the technology is very mature. all one needs to do is to take a 10k rpm scsi and change the interface.. really not THAT hard to do.

course, another factor is cooling, you take a 10k+ rpm drive, and whack it in a generic poorly cooled PC case and you start getting the possibility of drives overheating.
that has to be effectively solved to be idiot proof for the PC retail companies.

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The thing is that if they do have a 10K IDE drive, why would they want to release it and lose sales from there SCSI market. Another thing is why would they even bother making anything faster then 7200RPM. If they do the price of IDE will go up. I would look at it as if you want AWESOME performance then your option is 15k SCSI, but if you want cheap storage at decent performance then go IDE.

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Just as with MHz, RPM is only a part of the puzzle. Drive density is just as important. What makes the drive density have little affect today is because it is increasing at a very slow rate. If someone were to make a super dense 100GB per platter hard drive, then you'd have an incredibly fast hard drive even at just 7200RPM.

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I posted on Directron's forums, and this is what Lee Ponard, their "Cheif Moderator" had to say:
They ment eide.-- Unfortunately, it's been on the drawing board, and not in the drive for quiet a while now. I wouldn't hold your breath on it.
Lately the hard drive industry has been more interested in how large (in gb) you can make a drive, and not how fast the drive goes.
IBM just recently came up a new technology to dramaticly increase areal density up to a factor of 50. It's called Nanofabricated Patterned Magnetic Media. If they can get the kinks out of it we may be seeing terabyte hard drives in the same price range as 20 gigs are selling for-- in a couple years.

If you read PC Magazine, there's a short blurb about it in the August issue on page 71.

Have a great day!
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If you need it both and fast you will have to go with a raid in any case. And IDE raids unless you use some thing that it is as expencive as SCSI are just not up to the task.
Concidering that you do use a good raid you will get the data rate in any case. So the question of the RPM become how fast can you make the Accsess/Seek time.
 
You know, I was thinking the same thing on the second sentence before I read your post. I read it a few times to see if I was missing something ...

Your hilarious man!

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