News 12 diehard Razer fans got tattoos of the Razer Toaster — 5 years later, they're still patiently waiting for it to come out

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After reading the article, everyone involved has a good sense of humor about the situation, so it seems like a pretty harmless bit of fun for a few folks who wanted to show off their love of their community (in this case they were Razer supporters, but this isn't really about the specific brand).

People have been getting tattoos for all sorts of reasons, including because they think they're a bit of fun. They just don't view them the same way others do.
 
Tattoos, what a great idea.

People get them nowadays to "express their individuality" (even though they historically meant being just another branded slave or belonging to a group, most often criminal or military) or to "remember important events" in their life (writing a diary is apparently too hard) or even to "look pretty when I look myself in the mirror".

In the name of individuality, rememberance, or beauty they inject their largest and most important organ (skin) with inks which in 90% of cases have unlabeled or mislabeled ingredients.

Apparently, they can now also go a step further and do it for a soulless corporate entity. After all, what better way to show their brand loyalty than to voluntarily mutilate themselves and be proud of it because being proud of foolish things is fashionable in this timeline.

If I am abducted by aliens at this point I will consider it a rescue.
 
Tattoos, what a great idea.

People get them nowadays to "express their individuality" (even though they historically meant being just another branded slave or belonging to a group, most often criminal or military) or to "remember important events" in their life (writing a diary is apparently too hard) or even to "look pretty when I look myself in the mirror".

In the name of individuality, rememberance, or beauty they inject their largest and most important organ (skin) with inks which in 90% of cases have unlabeled or mislabeled ingredients.

Apparently, they can now also go a step further and do it for a soulless corporate entity. After all, what better way to show their brand loyalty than to voluntarily mutilate themselves and be proud of it because being proud of foolish things is fashionable in this timeline.

If I am abducted by aliens at this point I will consider it a rescue.
Ah, yes, the irrationally angry at people getting tattoos guy. I was wondering when you’d show up!
 
I am not angry, just disappointed at the apparent lack of rational thinking involved which isn't limited to tattoos hence a bit of hyperbole at the end.
Well, just a bit of unsolicited advice: if you’re going to criticize a lack of rational thinking, maybe you could attempt to understand the rationality behind people getting tattoos? Both of the ones you’ve listed (specifically expressing one’s individuality and commemorating important events) are tropes and not very representative of why people actually get them. The real reason almost everyone I know has a tattoo is either strictly for an appreciation of the art itself or to participate in a human tradition which crosses time and culture. Unfortunately neither of those are very easy to criticize so I can see why you don’t want to address them. By all means, though, go off king.
 
Well, just a bit of unsolicited advice: if you’re going to criticize a lack of rational thinking, maybe you could attempt to understand the rationality behind people getting tattoos?
There's nothing rational in getting a tattoo -- unlike say trimming your hair in a specific way so it doesn't get in your eyes or shaving your beard regularily because you hate how the beard itches your face when it grows out getting a tattoo seems like a purely emotional decision which they somehow rationalize in their minds and expect the rest of us to accept their rationalization.
Both of the ones you’ve listed (specifically expressing one’s individuality and commemorating important events) are tropes and not very representative of why people actually get them.
That's what you can read in the press supposedly from people who have them. I didn't do the survey myself.
either strictly for an appreciation of the art itself
You can appreciate art without turning yourself into a canvas full of toxic ink.
to participate in a human tradition which crosses time and culture
The fine "human tradition" you are speaking of was also most often used to brand slaves, bandits, fugitives, prisoners, etc throughout the history. Those who did it for artistic or spiritual purpose seem like a minority, not to mention that modern people aren't big on spirituality anyway.

I don't mind people keeping even such a sordid tradition alive if that's what they want, but trying to assign new meaning and purpose to erase what has been done with it in the past stinks of historical revisionism and that bothers me more than tattoos themselves.
Unfortunately neither of those are very easy to criticize so I can see why you don’t want to address them.
I've yet to hear a compelling rational reason for why modern people do it. Your explanation didn't help.
 
There's nothing rational in getting a tattoo -- unlike say trimming your hair in a specific way so it doesn't get in your eyes or shaving your beard regularily because you hate how the beard itches your face when it grows out getting a tattoo seems like a purely emotional decision which they somehow rationalize in their minds and expect the rest of us to accept their rationalization.
You just speak with way too much confidence for someone who knows so little about this subject. First, I said "rationality", not "rational", although I would argue receiving a tattoo can be perfectly rational. Rationality, as in, "the quality of being based on or in accordance with reason or logic." I'll expand more on why receiving a tattoo can follow reason and logic later.

That's what you can read in the press supposedly from people who have them. I didn't do the survey myself.
I have no idea what survey or press you're talking about. I'm sure you can drum up a quote by someone who claims to have received a tattoo to "express" their "individuality" but that isn't necessarily representative of an entire population of people.

You can appreciate art without turning yourself into a canvas full of toxic ink.
We can agree there are different art forms, correct? Oil on canvas, manga, and tattooing are all different forms of art. If you take a classic sailors tattoo, like say "The Rock of Ages," and draw it on canvas it is no longer a tattoo. If you want to appreciate the art form itself you either have to give or receive the tattoo. There's no other way to experience and appreciate this particular form of art. As for toxicity, well, just like with everything there are varying degrees of quality. It might surprise you to know that many people pay upwards of $1000 for a medium sized piece from classically trained and educated artists. Likewise, there are many different brands and qualities of inks.

The fine "human tradition" you are speaking of was also most often used to brand slaves, bandits, fugitives, prisoners, etc throughout the history. Those who did it for artistic or spiritual purpose seem like a minority, not to mention that modern people aren't big on spirituality anyway.

I don't mind people keeping even such a sordid tradition alive if that's what they want, but trying to assign new meaning and purpose to erase what has been done with it in the past stinks of historical revisionism and that bothers me more than tattoos themselves.
Using tattoos as identifiers or brands is actually a relatively recent use for them. Historically, they were used by cultures around the world for various purposes, none of which had to do with identification of slaves or fugitives. Primitive tribes would use them to mark young warriors as a rite of passage. The tattoos indicated that the young man had finally become one of the warrior men of the tribe. Sailors used them to indicate particular voyages (there is, for example, a specific tattoo to indicate you crossed the Atlantic). Soldiers used them to indicate that they were veterans of particular campaigns. Christians used tattoos on their children so that the children would know they were baptized in case the parents were martyred before the children were old enough to understand. Which of these reasons is illogical? It seems like the most perfectly logical thing in the world to me that a young sailor who made his first Atlantic crossing would receive the tattoo to indicate that he had. It's like a medal or ribbon that can't be lost or thrown away. Modern people don't usually receive them in quite the same way, but like I said, to appreciate this particular art form you have to participate. There are also still plenty of veterans that do commemorate their campaigns with tattoos.

Tattoos were of course also used to indicate various affiliation in prisons, a practice which is widely accepted to have started in the Russian gulags but probably predates that by a fair bit. However, to pretend that tattooing is a "sordid" tradition is simply misinformed. Many royals throughout history have had their fair share of tattoos as well believe it or not. People received tattoos for many reasons. The idea that only criminals and slaves received tattoos is plainly false.

I've yet to hear a compelling rational reason for why modern people do it. Your explanation didn't help.
What you really mean here is that you've "yet to hear a reason for why modern people do it that I accept." Frankly, your prejudice against tattoos doesn't make it irrational or illogical and I'm not sure why you have the hubris to believe that your brain process is so logical that you are the appointed arbiter on what is rational or not. I think most people who have tattoos understand the logic behind why they got them much more than you understand your own hatred of the practice. Before I ever got my first tattoo I once heard that the only difference between those with tattoos and those without is that those who have tattoos don't care if you have them or not. I guess it's still a true statement. Luckily, I've never actually run into anyone in the real world who seems to hold such an irrational hatred of such a benign tradition.
 
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I have no idea what survey or press you're talking about. I'm sure you can drum up a quote by someone who claims to have received a tattoo to "express" their "individuality" but that isn't necessarily representative of an entire population of people.
Here's one:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/head-games/201909/why-people-get-tattoos

You could also read comments on Reddit if that's your thing:


Pretty much all the answers both in the study and random comments echo what I said.
We can agree there are different art forms, correct?
Yes.
If you take a classic sailors tattoo, like say "The Rock of Ages," and draw it on canvas it is no longer a tattoo.
The cold hard truth is that every single tattoo has begun as a drawing (probably alos done on a computer nowadays). You could as well say that the act of tattooing one of those drawings on someone's skin is distorting the original art and that you can't properly appreciate it unless you see it on paper or screen.
If you want to appreciate the art form itself you either have to give or receive the tattoo. There's no other way to experience and appreciate this particular form of art.
Body painting has all the good sides and no bad sides of tattoos. Same with non-permanent tattoos.
Using tattoos as identifiers or brands is actually a relatively recent use for them. Historically, they were used by cultures around the world for various purposes, none of which had to do with identification of slaves or fugitives.
You can read up on that on Wikipedia and see that what you are saying isn't true.
Primitive tribes would use them to mark young warriors as a rite of passage. The tattoos indicated that the young man had finally become one of the warrior men of the tribe.
That's again a form of identification just for a different purpose -- a ticket or a stamp of approval if you wish. It says "this man can hunt and can now also choose a woman for himself".
Sailors used them to indicate particular voyages (there is, for example, a specific tattoo to indicate you crossed the Atlantic). Soldiers used them to indicate that they were veterans of particular campaigns.
All cases of identification, but please continue digging a hole under yourself.
Christians used tattoos on their children so that the children would know they were baptized in case the parents were martyred before the children were old enough to understand.
Citation needed for that. AFAIK, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have considered tattoos as a desecration of one's body.
Which of these reasons is illogical?
All of them?
It seems like the most perfectly logical thing in the world to me that a young sailor who made his first Atlantic crossing would receive the tattoo to indicate that he had.
So then it's perfectly normal that when I flew from Munich to San Francisco couple of years ago I should have also gotten this tattoo because I crossed Atlantic? As in, having an airplane tickeet, photos, and my own memories wouldn't be enough?
It's like a medal or ribbon that can't be lost or thrown away.
So you are saying it's a matter of pride in one's accomplishments? That's even worse.
Tattoos were of course also used to indicate various affiliation in prisons, a practice which is widely accepted to have started in the Russian gulags but probably predates that by a fair bit.
They were used in China long before that.
The idea that only criminals and slaves received tattoos is plainly false.
That's why I used the word "mostly" instead of "only".
What you really mean here is that you've "yet to hear a reason for why modern people do it that I accept."
So far there has been nothing to accept, because all I hear are emotional rationalizations, not logical reasons.
Frankly, your prejudice against tattoos doesn't make it irrational or illogical and I'm not sure why you have the hubris to believe that your brain process is so logical that you are the appointed arbiter on what is rational or not.
Rational thinking refers to the ability to think with reason. It encompasses the ability to draw sensible conclusions from facts, logic and data. In simple words, if your thoughts are based on facts and not emotions, it is called rational thinking.
I think most people who have tattoos understand the logic behind why they got them much more than you understand your own hatred of the practice.
Hatred is too strong of a word for what I feel about tattoos. I just dislike them and unlike people who got them or plan to get them I can give perfectly valid and logical reasons for doing so.
 
Hatred is too strong of a word for what I feel about tattoos. I just dislike them and unlike people who got them or plan to get them I can give perfectly valid and logical reasons for doing so.
Again, I want to make this perfectly clear: you are not who decides what is valid and logical. You’re also not in a position to know or understand whether someone else has made an emotional rationalization or not. Consider that every insane person who’s ever existed believed themselves to be sane. Note that I’m not claiming you’re insane here, simply pointing out that your refusal to see logic and reason beyond what you, personally, understand is simply a logical disorder in and of itself. This is the last thing I’m going to say on this subject. Just because you think something is stupid, irrational, or illogical doesn’t make it so.
 
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