$1200 ( 80,000 INR) Rendering PC

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Hey guys, I am looking for system config for rendering. I mainly use Max and Vray for rendering and bit of blender and pretty much 0 gaming. Kinda confused with so many hardware in the market. I was thinking of going with the i7 as I read that Ryzen still have lot of hardware and software bugs. Would be using GPU for rendering, CPU is better but GPU is faster i believe. Please help me with this one guys. Thanks

In short :

Budget Range: Roughly 80,000 INR/ 1200$

System Usage : Architectural Rendering - Vray, 3dsMax, Blender

Country: India

 
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Okay, good info, here we go. When you specify architectural rendering is the work structural in nature or is it just cosmetic? If it is structural then reliability will be a big issue as you will have liability if it is wrong. You will want to go with a workstation GPU, especially if you are going to be using GPU rendering. And yes, CPU images will be better but the GPU will render faster.
http://blog.boxx.com/2014/10/02/gpu-rendering-vs-cpu-rendering-a-method-to-compare-render-times-with-empirical-benchmarks/

For CPU 3dsMax is mostly about single core speeds
https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Autodesk-3ds-Max-159/Hardware-Recommendations

while Blender seems to scale with more cores...
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Okay, good info, here we go. When you specify architectural rendering is the work structural in nature or is it just cosmetic? If it is structural then reliability will be a big issue as you will have liability if it is wrong. You will want to go with a workstation GPU, especially if you are going to be using GPU rendering. And yes, CPU images will be better but the GPU will render faster.
http://blog.boxx.com/2014/10/02/gpu-rendering-vs-cpu-rendering-a-method-to-compare-render-times-with-empirical-benchmarks/

For CPU 3dsMax is mostly about single core speeds
https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Autodesk-3ds-Max-159/Hardware-Recommendations

while Blender seems to scale with more cores
https://www.blender.org/download/requirements/

VRay RT depends on the version. If you have version 3.6 then you can do hybrid rendering and the CPU matters.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/V-Ray-RT-3-6-Hybrid-Mode-Combining-CPU-and-GPUs-for-Rendering-1051/

Version 3.5 and earlier and the CPU doesn't need to be much
https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-V-Ray-199/Hardware-Recommendations

So two questions that need to be answered are will you be doing structural work and what version of V-Ray will you be using? I will assume no structural and V-Ray RT 3.6.

Went with the Ryzen 1600X for its higher core count and faster base speed. Considered an i5-8400 but the mobos are so expensive and hard to find in that part of the world. The 1600X might render faster anyways. If you need to reduce the price then substitute the plain 1600 and use the supplied cooler, it is quite good actually. Fast SSD for programs/OS and 2TB HDD for file storage. You might want to consider bumping to a 4TB HDD for a little more. I would have liked to use a GTX 1070 but just too expensive so went with the GTX 1060-6GB. NVidia seems to be better supported than AMD. Good case for cooling and good PSU with gold certification (uses less power).

We might need to revamp the build based on your response the questions above. Parts were sourced from Amazon India, ITDepot and MD computers, links to the components are in the build or below the build.

PCPartPicker part list: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/PhDmVY
Price breakdown by merchant: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/PhDmVY/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (₹18825.00)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler (₹5605.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard (₹9059.90 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (₹6999.00 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (₹5299.00 @ Amazon India)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Strix OC Video Card (₹24900.00)
Case: Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case (₹2944.00 @ Amazon India)
Other: ANTEC EA550G PRO (₹5805.00)
Other: ADATA - XPG Z1 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory (₹5880.00)
Other: ADATA - XP​G Z1 8GB (​1 x 8GB) D​DR4-2800 M​emory (₹5880.00)
Total: ₹91196.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-31 04:58 IST+0530

https://www.theitdepot.com/details-AMD+Ryzen+5+1600X+3.6+GHz+Processor_C30P28444.html
https://www.mdcomputers.in/ddr4-memory/adata-xpg-z1-8gb-ddr4-dram-2800mhz-ax4u280038g17-srz.html
https://www.mdcomputers.in/gtx-10-series-1021724175/asus-strix-gtx1060-dc26g.html
https://www.mdcomputers.in/smps/antec-550-watt-80-plus-gold-semi-modular-ea550g-pro.html
 
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Hey thanks a lot. The config seems good to me. I would be using it mainly for architectural viz. I am using vray adv as my card is not so great for GPU rendering. With blender cycles I try to use GPU whenever possible. So I guess i would need pretty good CPU and GPU. My confusion is with Ryzen or to go with Intel processor. Ryzens 6 core would be helpful while rendering with CPU but I have heard that it still has lot of bugs. Is it true ?.
 
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There were a couple of "bugs" revealed not long after the platform release but AMD has since addressed them. A bigger issue was the lack of driver support for some programs but again that seems to be dying down. Every new platform will have issues, just like Intel is having with its Coffee Lake release.

The only Intel 6-core in that price range is the i5-8400 and it does not have hyperthreading so you have 6 threads vs 12 for the 1600X. I chose the 1600X because its single core and quad core speeds approaches that of the 8400 but its multi-core speed is much faster. And the Z370 mobos are way more expensive than the B350 mobos.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8400/3920vs3939

Forgot to mention, you will want to down clock the RAM from 2800 to 2666, 2800 is not a supported speed on the mobo and 2666 seems to be fast enough for these applications.

Since you are not doing structural staying with a consumer GPU is okay, you won't need the error protection of a Quadro GPU.

Now you say you are using V-Ray Adv, if you don't move to V-Ray RT 3.6 then we need to downgrade the GPU and upgrade the CPU.

And you are most welcome.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor (₹25668.00 @ Amazon India)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ARCTIC ATX AM4 Motherboard (₹7403.17 @ Amazon India)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (₹12787.79 @ Amazon India)
Storage: ADATA - Premier SP550 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (₹10768.56 @ Amazon India)
Storage: Toshiba - P300 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (₹4992.21 @ Amazon India)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Phoenix Video Card (₹11600.00 @ Amazon India)
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case (₹2218.46 @ Amazon India)
Power Supply: Silverstone - 400W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (₹2911.73 @ Amazon India)
Total: ₹78349.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-31 21:37 IST+0530

even more cores for a sight step-down in gpu, your software is more CPU intensive so I thought more cores would be a better choice. Also twice as large SSD, 50% larger HDD
 
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Two comments. First, you can't trust PCPartPicker for pricing from Amazon India, once you click on the component link you often see much higher prices. For instance in your build
Mobo: PCPr = ₹7403.17 Amazon = ₹10885.89
https://www.amazon.in/dp/B06XPM7FLV/?tag=pcp03-21
RAM: PCPr = ₹12787.79 Amazon = ₹19493.88
https://www.amazon.in/dp/B014JESKRW/?tag=pcp03-21
SSD: PCPr = ₹10768.56 Amazon = ₹41299.00
https://www.amazon.in/dp/B013J7P7SK/?tag=pcp03-21
HDD: PCPr = ₹4992.21 Amazon = ₹7317.89
https://www.amazon.in/dp/B013JPLOQQ/?tag=pcp03-21
GPU: PCPr = ₹11600.00 Amazon = ₹12499.00
https://www.amazon.in/dp/B01M360WG6/?tag=pcp03-21
Case: PCPr = ₹2218.46 Amazon = ₹9677.00
https://www.amazon.in/dp/B00J0NZ5N0/?tag=pcp03-21
PSU: PCPr = ₹2911.73 Amazon = ₹4801.91
https://www.amazon.in/dp/B00PSFDF2W/?tag=pcp03-21

So the adjusted pricing of your build is ₹131642.57. But of course the price for the SSD is ridiculous.
PCPartPicker part list: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/xKDfKZ

Second, I agree that Blender and rendering will benefit from more cores but 3dsMax is about single core speed. That is why I chose the 1600X over the 1600, to get a faster core speed out of the box as I do not feel that an overclock would be pursued here. Thus the 1600X would actually be faster than the 1700 for 3dsMax. Not by much but faster. And if the poster will be doing Hybrid rendering using RT then he will benefit from the 1060-6GB over the 1050 Ti.



 
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Cool. I think I will go with this build then. Seems good to me. Is the CPU Cooler required ? Wont the fans in the Case be good enough. ?

 
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