128-bit 9800 Pro from Overclockers.co.uk?

[Probe]

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I have emailed OC and Connect3D this morning but have not had a reply -
so...

I just got a Connect3D 9800 Pro from www.overclockers.co.uk I had heard of
the Sapphire 9800 Pro fiasco regarding the 128-bit memory bandwidth cards
sold as 256-bit and so was aware of the possibility. Overclockers made no
mention of anything but a full 256-bit 9800 Pro card. However, when the card
arrived this morning, I noticed a white sticker on the back of the box
saying 'Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB 128bit DDR DRAM'. Surely that should read
'128MB *256-bit* DDR DRAM' to be a 256-bit 9800 Pro? The box blurb states a
256-bit memory interface.

Does a 256bit memory interface require 256-bit DDR DRAM or does the 128-bit
DDR mean 256-bit (i.e. double)?

TIA

 

[Les]

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"Probe" <probeit@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:k8WBc.18993$NK4.3263108@stones.force9.net...
> I have emailed OC and Connect3D this morning but have not had a reply -
> so...
>
> I just got a Connect3D 9800 Pro from www.overclockers.co.uk I had heard of
> the Sapphire 9800 Pro fiasco regarding the 128-bit memory bandwidth cards
> sold as 256-bit and so was aware of the possibility. Overclockers made no
> mention of anything but a full 256-bit 9800 Pro card. However, when the
card
> arrived this morning, I noticed a white sticker on the back of the box
> saying 'Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB 128bit DDR DRAM'. Surely that should
read
> '128MB *256-bit* DDR DRAM' to be a 256-bit 9800 Pro? The box blurb states
a
> 256-bit memory interface.
>
> Does a 256bit memory interface require 256-bit DDR DRAM or does the
128-bit
> DDR mean 256-bit (i.e. double)?
>
> TIA
>
>

download everest from here

www.lavalys.com

Under display/gpu it will show you the bus width which should be 128bit.
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[Probe]

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The memory on this Connect3D 9800 'Pro' is Hynix and has a part number
HY5DU283222A. Looking on the Hynix site indicates that this is 128-bit
memory and not 256-bit. So even if the memory interface is 256-bit the
memory is not. Somebody surely must know something about the relationship
between memory bit-depth and memory bit-capacity....


"Probe" <probeit@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:k8WBc.18993$NK4.3263108@stones.force9.net...
> I have emailed OC and Connect3D this morning but have not had a reply -
> so...
>
> I just got a Connect3D 9800 Pro from www.overclockers.co.uk I had heard of
> the Sapphire 9800 Pro fiasco regarding the 128-bit memory bandwidth cards
> sold as 256-bit and so was aware of the possibility. Overclockers made no
> mention of anything but a full 256-bit 9800 Pro card. However, when the
card
> arrived this morning, I noticed a white sticker on the back of the box
> saying 'Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB 128bit DDR DRAM'. Surely that should
read
> '128MB *256-bit* DDR DRAM' to be a 256-bit 9800 Pro? The box blurb states
a
> 256-bit memory interface.
>
> Does a 256bit memory interface require 256-bit DDR DRAM or does the
128-bit
> DDR mean 256-bit (i.e. double)?
>
> TIA
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Well, they don't make any memory that is literally 128-bits wide AFAIK (for one
thing that would require more than 128 pins/leads). That's why there's 4 Hynix
memory chips, I'm guessing each one outputs 64-bits (at least on my 9800 Pro
256-bit, 256MB). Maybe they've got 64-bit and 32-bit memory parts? Do they
still interleave memory access on video cards anymore?

>The memory on this Connect3D 9800 'Pro' is Hynix and has a part number
>HY5DU283222A. Looking on the Hynix site indicates that this is 128-bit
>memory and not 256-bit. So even if the memory interface is 256-bit the
>memory is not. Somebody surely must know something about the relationship
>between memory bit-depth and memory bit-capacity....


-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)

 

[augustus]

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interface.
>
> Does a 256bit memory interface require 256-bit DDR DRAM or does the
128-bit
> DDR mean 256-bit (i.e. double)?
>

Definitive answer.....use AIDA32 or download Everest (which is same thing)
and check under GPU properties. If it says 128bit....that's what it is.

 

[pip]

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Probe wrote:
> I have emailed OC and Connect3D this morning but have not had a reply -
> so...
>
> I just got a Connect3D 9800 Pro from www.overclockers.co.uk I had heard of
> the Sapphire 9800 Pro fiasco regarding the 128-bit memory bandwidth cards
> sold as 256-bit and so was aware of the possibility. Overclockers made no
> mention of anything but a full 256-bit 9800 Pro card. However, when the card
> arrived this morning, I noticed a white sticker on the back of the box
> saying 'Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB 128bit DDR DRAM'. Surely that should read
> '128MB *256-bit* DDR DRAM' to be a 256-bit 9800 Pro? The box blurb states a
> 256-bit memory interface.
>
> Does a 256bit memory interface require 256-bit DDR DRAM or does the 128-bit
> DDR mean 256-bit (i.e. double)?
>
> TIA

Damn, I never noticed that. I bought the exact same one 2 weeks ago and
it says the same. Rivatuner says 256-bit so I never thought it being one
of the crippled ones, but it might just get information from
predetermined things, i.e R350 = 256bit. I'm downloading the EVEREST
thing now, I'll say when it's done :-/

Please post the reply here if you get one, I'm now annoyed and intrigued.

 

[pip]

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Pip wrote:
> Probe wrote:
>
>> I have emailed OC and Connect3D this morning but have not had a reply -
>> so...
>>
>> I just got a Connect3D 9800 Pro from www.overclockers.co.uk I had
>> heard of
>> the Sapphire 9800 Pro fiasco regarding the 128-bit memory bandwidth cards
>> sold as 256-bit and so was aware of the possibility. Overclockers made no
>> mention of anything but a full 256-bit 9800 Pro card. However, when
>> the card
>> arrived this morning, I noticed a white sticker on the back of the box
>> saying 'Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB 128bit DDR DRAM'. Surely that
>> should read
>> '128MB *256-bit* DDR DRAM' to be a 256-bit 9800 Pro? The box blurb
>> states a
>> 256-bit memory interface.
>>
>> Does a 256bit memory interface require 256-bit DDR DRAM or does the
>> 128-bit
>> DDR mean 256-bit (i.e. double)?
>>
>> TIA
>
>
> Damn, I never noticed that. I bought the exact same one 2 weeks ago and
> it says the same. Rivatuner says 256-bit so I never thought it being one
> of the crippled ones, but it might just get information from
> predetermined things, i.e R350 = 256bit. I'm downloading the EVEREST
> thing now, I'll say when it's done :-/
>
> Please post the reply here if you get one, I'm now annoyed and intrigued.

Hmmm, that also says my mem bus width is 256 bit. So, anyone.. Is it or
isn't it? Is this program 100% accurate?

 

[augustus]

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> Hmmm, that also says my mem bus width is 256 bit. So, anyone.. Is it or
> isn't it? Is this program 100% accurate?

I've never known it to be wrong.

 

[Probe]

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Like you I suspect the info from these programs since they could assume
256-bit - for instance, I am told that you can only tell an R350 from an
R360 GPU by removing the heatsink; yet Everest says it is an R350 GPU.
However, if you use Everest after overclocking the card a little with say
ATiTools, the figures do change - so it is gathering its own information to
some extent. Looking at these speed figures against other users' figures, it
does seem to be a 256-bit card. The company Connect3D replied to my email
saying that some of the boxes were mislabelled.




"Pip" <???@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:NP3Cc.1815$I43.1768@newsfe6-win...
> Pip wrote:
> > Probe wrote:
> >
> >> I have emailed OC and Connect3D this morning but have not had a reply -
> >> so...
> >>
> >> I just got a Connect3D 9800 Pro from www.overclockers.co.uk I had
> >> heard of
> >> the Sapphire 9800 Pro fiasco regarding the 128-bit memory bandwidth
cards
> >> sold as 256-bit and so was aware of the possibility. Overclockers made
no
> >> mention of anything but a full 256-bit 9800 Pro card. However, when
> >> the card
> >> arrived this morning, I noticed a white sticker on the back of the box
> >> saying 'Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB 128bit DDR DRAM'. Surely that
> >> should read
> >> '128MB *256-bit* DDR DRAM' to be a 256-bit 9800 Pro? The box blurb
> >> states a
> >> 256-bit memory interface.
> >>
> >> Does a 256bit memory interface require 256-bit DDR DRAM or does the
> >> 128-bit
> >> DDR mean 256-bit (i.e. double)?
> >>
> >> TIA
> >
> >
> > Damn, I never noticed that. I bought the exact same one 2 weeks ago and
> > it says the same. Rivatuner says 256-bit so I never thought it being one
> > of the crippled ones, but it might just get information from
> > predetermined things, i.e R350 = 256bit. I'm downloading the EVEREST
> > thing now, I'll say when it's done :-/
> >
> > Please post the reply here if you get one, I'm now annoyed and
intrigued.
>
> Hmmm, that also says my mem bus width is 256 bit. So, anyone.. Is it or
> isn't it? Is this program 100% accurate?

 

[Guest]

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A good way to tell if the card is 128-bit or 256-bit is by the arrangement
of the RAM chips:

If the chips are in a single line above the processor, it's 128-bit.
If the chips are around the processor in an "L" shape, it's 256-bit.

If the chips are *not* BGA, it's 128-bit.

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It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."



"Probe" <probeit@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:k8WBc.18993$NK4.3263108@stones.force9.net...
> I have emailed OC and Connect3D this morning but have not had a reply -
> so...
>
> I just got a Connect3D 9800 Pro from www.overclockers.co.uk I had heard of
> the Sapphire 9800 Pro fiasco regarding the 128-bit memory bandwidth cards
> sold as 256-bit and so was aware of the possibility. Overclockers made no
> mention of anything but a full 256-bit 9800 Pro card. However, when the
card
> arrived this morning, I noticed a white sticker on the back of the box
> saying 'Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB 128bit DDR DRAM'. Surely that should
read
> '128MB *256-bit* DDR DRAM' to be a 256-bit 9800 Pro? The box blurb states
a
> 256-bit memory interface.
>
> Does a 256bit memory interface require 256-bit DDR DRAM or does the
128-bit
> DDR mean 256-bit (i.e. double)?
>
> TIA
>
>

 

[Guest]

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here is a way to find out . Download 3dmark 2001 on futuremak site. Do the
single fillrate and Multitexture Fillrate
Should be 1400 for single or higher Multitexture 2400 and higher . If u get
that you have 256bit . If u get half that score have a 128bit.
"Probe" <probeit@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:U4hCc.19886$NK4.3361428@stones.force9.net...
> Like you I suspect the info from these programs since they could assume
> 256-bit - for instance, I am told that you can only tell an R350 from an
> R360 GPU by removing the heatsink; yet Everest says it is an R350 GPU.
> However, if you use Everest after overclocking the card a little with say
> ATiTools, the figures do change - so it is gathering its own information
to
> some extent. Looking at these speed figures against other users' figures,
it
> does seem to be a 256-bit card. The company Connect3D replied to my email
> saying that some of the boxes were mislabelled.
>
>
>
>
> "Pip" <???@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:NP3Cc.1815$I43.1768@newsfe6-win...
> > Pip wrote:
> > > Probe wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have emailed OC and Connect3D this morning but have not had a
reply -
> > >> so...
> > >>
> > >> I just got a Connect3D 9800 Pro from www.overclockers.co.uk I had
> > >> heard of
> > >> the Sapphire 9800 Pro fiasco regarding the 128-bit memory bandwidth
> cards
> > >> sold as 256-bit and so was aware of the possibility. Overclockers
made
> no
> > >> mention of anything but a full 256-bit 9800 Pro card. However, when
> > >> the card
> > >> arrived this morning, I noticed a white sticker on the back of the
box
> > >> saying 'Radeon 9800 Pro with 128MB 128bit DDR DRAM'. Surely that
> > >> should read
> > >> '128MB *256-bit* DDR DRAM' to be a 256-bit 9800 Pro? The box blurb
> > >> states a
> > >> 256-bit memory interface.
> > >>
> > >> Does a 256bit memory interface require 256-bit DDR DRAM or does the
> > >> 128-bit
> > >> DDR mean 256-bit (i.e. double)?
> > >>
> > >> TIA
> > >
> > >
> > > Damn, I never noticed that. I bought the exact same one 2 weeks ago
and
> > > it says the same. Rivatuner says 256-bit so I never thought it being
one
> > > of the crippled ones, but it might just get information from
> > > predetermined things, i.e R350 = 256bit. I'm downloading the EVEREST
> > > thing now, I'll say when it's done :-/
> > >
> > > Please post the reply here if you get one, I'm now annoyed and
> intrigued.
> >
> > Hmmm, that also says my mem bus width is 256 bit. So, anyone.. Is it or
> > isn't it? Is this program 100% accurate?
>
>