128mb PC133 dimm vs. i810e chipset

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I have an old home-built machine based on a Q'Lity P3810E-T motherboard
(manufacturer now defunct) and a PIII 600EB slot 1 processor. One of the
two sticks of ram in this machine went bad (reports numerous errors in
memtest86), so I went out to CompUSA to replace it, taking my chances on
the strange brands they carry, not wanting to wait for mail order.

Since what was in the machine before was two 128 mb PC133 dimms, I
bought another 128mb dimm. I noted that the dimm was single sided and
had 8 chips on it, and therefore was using 128 mbit chips. I knew that
256 mbit chips would not work.

However when I plugged in the new dimm the BIOS could only find half of
it, for a total RAM of 192mb. Windows crashes during startup, with
weird display symptoms that make me think that the video memory is being
trashed. Memtest86 can also only find 192mb and reports lots of errors.

I thought I was doing well by getting a stick with 128mbit chips but the
symptoms are just like I have seen before with 256mbit chips on older
machines where only half of the memory is recognized.

When I plug the same dimm into another machine with an Athlon 650
processor and AMD 751 chipset it works just fine.

Do you think it is possible the the manufacturer is actually using
256mbit chips because they are cheaper and is somehow derating it so
that it appears as if it is a 128mb dimm?

The brand name of the dimm is Centon and the chip manufacturer is
Appolo. Yes, that is the correct spelling and no, I can't find any
reference to a chip manufacturer of that name, nor to the ID numbers on
the chips (N003108M16-75, followed by 0310M).

Jeff
 
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"Jeff Bean" <jeff@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>I have an old home-built machine based on a Q'Lity P3810E-T motherboard
> (manufacturer now defunct) and a PIII 600EB slot 1 processor. One of the
> two sticks of ram in this machine went bad (reports numerous errors in
> memtest86), so I went out to CompUSA to replace it, taking my chances on
> the strange brands they carry, not wanting to wait for mail order.
>
> Since what was in the machine before was two 128 mb PC133 dimms, I
> bought another 128mb dimm. I noted that the dimm was single sided and
> had 8 chips on it, and therefore was using 128 mbit chips. I knew that
> 256 mbit chips would not work.
>
> However when I plugged in the new dimm the BIOS could only find half of
> it, for a total RAM of 192mb. Windows crashes during startup, with
> weird display symptoms that make me think that the video memory is being
> trashed. Memtest86 can also only find 192mb and reports lots of errors.
>
> I thought I was doing well by getting a stick with 128mbit chips but the
> symptoms are just like I have seen before with 256mbit chips on older
> machines where only half of the memory is recognized.
>
> When I plug the same dimm into another machine with an Athlon 650
> processor and AMD 751 chipset it works just fine.
>
> Do you think it is possible the the manufacturer is actually using
> 256mbit chips because they are cheaper and is somehow derating it so
> that it appears as if it is a 128mb dimm?
>
> The brand name of the dimm is Centon and the chip manufacturer is
> Appolo. Yes, that is the correct spelling and no, I can't find any
> reference to a chip manufacturer of that name, nor to the ID numbers on
> the chips (N003108M16-75, followed by 0310M).
>
> Jeff


Jeff -

It's the new DIMM, no doubt. Configure and compare specs./chip population
with these:

www.crucial.com

www.4allmemory.com

I believe you'll need low density chips on that machine, and perhaps the new
DIMM is high density. Not sure.

Good luck

Stew
 
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:46:01 -0400, Jeff Bean <jeff@nowhere.com> wrote:

>I have an old home-built machine based on a Q'Lity P3810E-T motherboard...

Oops, sorry, meant to post that to alt.com.hardware

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Regardless, the answer is right. Your machine requires single density. You
bought double density, so only half shows up.

Tom
"Jeff Bean" <jeff@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:46:01 -0400, Jeff Bean <jeff@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>I have an old home-built machine based on a Q'Lity P3810E-T motherboard...
>
> Oops, sorry, meant to post that to alt.com.hardware
>
> Jeff
 
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fwiw, q-lity is a subsidiary of a major taiwanese oem manufacturer called
quanta. quanta is one of the largest laptop manufactures and actually made
many dell laptop models. q-lity is a brand name quanta used in their home
country to sell their laptops direct to retail and used in the us to sell
desktop motherboards for a very short time. the quality of the q-lity
boards are excellent, but the support is non existent. if you ever find
yourself wanting to get hold of a manual or technical support and are
willing to push hard, you can get the quanta people to answer questions...
http://www.hoovers.com/quanta-computer/--ID__100849--/free-co-factsheet.xhtml


"Jeff Bean" <jeff@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:46:01 -0400, Jeff Bean <jeff@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >I have an old home-built machine based on a Q'Lity P3810E-T
motherboard...
>
> Oops, sorry, meant to post that to alt.com.hardware
>
> Jeff
 
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The module can be 8-chip and still architected such that it will not work.
A 128 megabit chip can be 16X8 or 32X4 - the former will work; the latter
will not, in systems that do not support high density RAM.




"Jeff Bean" <jeff@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:95r8m05b2iqlct1ujh20ld30em91pd52ri@4ax.com...
> I have an old home-built machine based on a Q'Lity P3810E-T motherboard
> (manufacturer now defunct) and a PIII 600EB slot 1 processor. One of the
> two sticks of ram in this machine went bad (reports numerous errors in
> memtest86), so I went out to CompUSA to replace it, taking my chances on
> the strange brands they carry, not wanting to wait for mail order.
>
> Since what was in the machine before was two 128 mb PC133 dimms, I
> bought another 128mb dimm. I noted that the dimm was single sided and
> had 8 chips on it, and therefore was using 128 mbit chips. I knew that
> 256 mbit chips would not work.
>
> However when I plugged in the new dimm the BIOS could only find half of
> it, for a total RAM of 192mb. Windows crashes during startup, with
> weird display symptoms that make me think that the video memory is being
> trashed. Memtest86 can also only find 192mb and reports lots of errors.
>
> I thought I was doing well by getting a stick with 128mbit chips but the
> symptoms are just like I have seen before with 256mbit chips on older
> machines where only half of the memory is recognized.
>
> When I plug the same dimm into another machine with an Athlon 650
> processor and AMD 751 chipset it works just fine.
>
> Do you think it is possible the the manufacturer is actually using
> 256mbit chips because they are cheaper and is somehow derating it so
> that it appears as if it is a 128mb dimm?
>
> The brand name of the dimm is Centon and the chip manufacturer is
> Appolo. Yes, that is the correct spelling and no, I can't find any
> reference to a chip manufacturer of that name, nor to the ID numbers on
> the chips (N003108M16-75, followed by 0310M).
>
> Jeff