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No I am not going to overclock beyond 4.4 ghz, at the beginning I am not going to overclock at all. The SilenX EFZ-120HA5 you suggested seem to have high temperatures, that's why I was looking for a better low noise and good performing cooler, and from the reviews I found on youtube and other sites the D14 looks to be one of the best.

Do you know any other cooler that has low noise and good performance? Within the 70-80$ range.

I also was thinking to go for ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE.
What do you think about this mobo, I think I will need the wireless and bluetooth capabilities, also I think the PLX PEX8608 switch chip will be handy

Since the chipset doesn’t have enough PCI Express lanes available to connect all the devices that are present on this motherboard, this chip automatically switches PCI Express lanes in order to provide the highest performance possible to the device that is requiring performance at any given moment On motherboards without this chip, you need to manually disable devices (namely, USB 3.0 and SATA-600 ports) that you are not using if you want to achieve the highest possible performance on the ports that are being used.
I have also decided to go for the corsair Corsair Carbide Series 500R. This case seems to be more expandable and more future proof.


 

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Very good case if you don't mind the size, motherboard is also good if you think you'll use bluetooth. If you want to spend more money the D14 with 1 fan can't be beat, I simply didn't select it for that case because it was too tall. If you're looking at something that big I would also look at the nzxt 410. I've built systems in both and prefer the 410, it just has better cooling and almost as good cable management - but some people hate the look. If you decide for sure what case you're going with my recommendations would change for several things.

Try to get a final idea on the case. Look at youtube videos of builds in the C500R and the NZXT410 so you can get a real good idea of what you're lookin at. The 410 allows for some different motherboards because the angled fan inside the case can cool the south bridge and help push heat out the top which would let you pick a full ATX board with no cooling issues on the south bridge.
 

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This is what I have in mind so far:
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 500R White
Mobo: ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE LGA 1155 Intel Z77
PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX650 650W
SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128D/AM 2.5" 128GB
HD: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB
Ram: Mushkin Enhanced Redline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler
Thermal compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

I am very undecided about the parts below as the ivy bridge is coming, more undecided I am on the graphic card. as for the cpu I can go with that.
CPU: Intel Core i7-2700K Sandy Bridge 3.5GHz
Graphic Card: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti

The total price till now is $1,598.90

its about 100$ more out of my target but that is not a problem when it comes to better quality.
I will check some video reviews about the NZXT410.
but this site shows Corsair as a better case and its also cheaper.

Thanks again for your support ;)





 

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Lol thanks a lot for your offer, I am very concerned about fan noise and I have no way of shipping that case here, I found a way of buying the heavy parts of my pc at amazon.it and the difference of price is about 10$ for all 3 of them plus I am not paying for the shipping cause a friend of mine will bring them to Albania.

these are the 3 parts
CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX650 650W
Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler
Corsair Carbide Series 500R White Steel

I am going for the 650 watt PSU cause I think I will not need a biiger one with one graphic card.
 

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quick reply I'd select a motherboard that doesn't have the sata connectors going out the side for that case, you'll lose half of them. I'm pretty sure there's an exact same specd asus mobo with satas that come straight up
 

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Also with that case, processor, and heatsink choice I'd highly reccomend a socket 2011 mobo instead of 1155. Much better overclocking if thats what you're going for. I'll get a new set of suggested parts, but for now I've got like 5 tv shows to watch
 

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131801
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115229

Plus everything else you already have picked out. I'm showing the 500r as $140 and the nzxt410's are $99, and they are smaller. But without graphics on newegg this is posting $1250, so if you got a 670gtx you'd land right at 1600. $1550 with a nzxt410. The new power supply you picked out is the exact same one in the rig I'm using right now, I was forced to buy it locally on the fly because one of my fans went out on my rosewill PSU the same day my beta started for SWTOR. It's been a very good psu, the overall watts pulled from the wall dropped from about 350 during gaming to about 310. Its WAY more efficient at the power I use than my 950W psu was.
 

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From where I am buying the nzxt410 is EUR 117,22 while the corsair is Carbide 500R is EUR 104,50.

So I think there is no reason in terms of quality to go for the nzxt410, what do you think. It also looks to much like a gaming case, I am not a hardcore gamer.
I need this pc mostly for work.

Why do you think the LGA 2011 is better than the 1155. Because as I said before I just want a stable mobo not a gaming one for extreme overclocking.
The Cpu you have suggested seems to have the same performance as the one I have chosen.

as stated here:
It turns out that the top LGA 1155 processors do not lose any of their appeal against the background of the new Core i7-3820. They not only allow building noticeably more affordable and energy-efficient systems. Their performance appears just as good as that of Core i7-3820 based systems, and in some cases, such as games and regular general-purpose applications, LGA 1155 processors can even outperform LGA 2011 ones. Moreover, Core i7-2700K and Core i7-2600K can also be successfully overclocked and in this mode offer even higher performance than the overclocked Core i7-3820.
it also looks that the Intel Core i7-3820 consumes more power a thing I dont like cause this pc is going to stay on for a long time every day and I don't like electrical bills. LOL


 

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It is there as a warning to anyone who "wins".
You could be anyone for all we know...
Nothing against you personally, i am just making sure people take the proper precautions before going through with passing details ect.
I am not here to steal somebody's identity, I just want somebody to help me build this pc, and I need just the email address to send the money.
People keeps getting paid by unknown people all the time in forums like digital point.
I don't see any risk here.
 

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Why do you think the LGA 2011 is better than the 1155. Because as I said before I just want a stable mobo not a gaming one for extreme overclocking.
The Cpu you have suggested seems to have the same performance as the one I have chosen.
I have read this review over and over again and Akasa Voodoo Venom seems to be a little loud and for 30$ more I think I am going to get the Noctua NH-D14, this can handle the all overclocking settings I can throw at my cpu.
No I am not going to overclock beyond 4.4 ghz

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118046

If you really want to spend $70ish on a heatsink that's silent and more than enough for running 4.4ghz for a very long time the Zalman would be my choice. If you don't set it to hard overclock at 4.4ghz 1.4v nonstop you will never see anything higher than 50*C on the silenx in the 500R case while gaming though. If you don't plan to have the processor overclocked all the time I would spend the extra $50-75 elsewhere, your processor will be fine without a D14.

You're starting to see what the best of the best is and its going to pull you out of budget, or will end up forcing lower end selections on things you will use and expensive selections on things you will not use - or just flat out missing a purchase on something useful.

The best example is your ram - I promise you I could swap that ram out for ddr3 1333 no heatsink crucial ram and as long as you never overclocked past 4.4ghz you would never ever know the difference. The only reason to buy high end ram is if you need it stable for overclocking and over-volting - which you won't be doing.

I sold a computer to someone who came to visit me locally who complained about my cheap ram - After I had him sitting at the computer I asked him to do something to make the ram slow the computer down. He looked dumb for a few seconds then just opened 100 programs and played starcraft. I then went into the bios and set the ram speed to 800mhz instead of 1600 and had him do the same thing. He then chuckled as he could tell zero difference and agreed not to ask for $30 off.

Ram does not affect the performance of anything you do, it helps with load times and now that its at the speeds its at, you're talking nanoseconds of a difference from highest end to lowest end.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3/3

You will NEVER notice it. I think spending more than $40 on ram right now is a complete waste of money.

I'll also go back and strongly suggest a 2500k over an i7. This is when it helps to have local businesses with custom rigs for sale inside. We have a company that put its $3k build up beside its $1k moneymaker and had the same demo running on the same monitors. They sold 2 $3k builds that year, and like 25 $1k builds. Once you get to see this stuff actually doing something other than running benchmarks you get a grasp on what a waste of money it is for an incredibly small amount of performance gain.

There's nothing you're going to do with a 2500k where you're going to sit down pissed off that you didn't pay more money to have a 2700k doing the same thing for you (same thing with the heatsink) - Seriously, try to imagine that situation. However I can think of a long list of things you'll do daily on a computer that will piss you off that you spent more money to do those things, especially when you're out of beer or your women wants to go out.

There is something to be said for purchasing high end graphics cards as they are always more reliable than their flawed lower end counterparts that had failed production issues - but this is not the case for the processors these days. They don't have a core here or there not make it through production anymore. You're golden with a 2500k. Same with ram.

Take another look at your list and think about that and rebuild it some. You have a lot of solid parts selected, but I think some of them are starting to be picked out because you're reading too many benchmarks and articles on whats best.

Figure out what you're sure you need and make a perma-list - like the

PSU, Case, Thermal Paste, Motherboard, SSD, HD, RAM -

and then throw a list of options for your

CPU, GPU, Heatsink -

this way you can get a much better grasp of exactly how much money you have to spend on the flexible items, and how much more performance you're really going to get by doing so.

I'm showing about $900 for your perma list, this gives you $600 or so to spend on the rest. That might make you decide to drop the SSD - is booting windows really an issue for you? Or is it enough of an issue to make you spend only $600 on those key parts instead of $750?





 

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Thanks so much for your help, I will come up with another list as soon as possible after I make a little more research.
 

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Ok I changed the list based on your suggestions again.
I changed the ram cause it seems the one I chose before it has no difference in performance compared to the new one I chose.
I changed also the CPU based on your suggestion cause I have been working till now with a (Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6700
(8M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) and I have been fine so your suggestion will be fine.
I also changed the cooler to ZALMAN.
I am not dropping the ssd cause i like the system too boot fast and also the apps will boot fast so if I drop it now I know will need it at a later point.

Case: Corsair Carbide Series 500R White - $139
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz - $219.99
Mobo: ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE LGA 1155 Intel Z77 - $274.99
PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX650 650W - $149.99
SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128D/AM 2.5" 128GB - $169.99
HD: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB - $99.99
Ram: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB - $44.99
Cooler: ZALMAN CNPS9900ALED - $58.99
Thermal compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $11.99
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$1169.99
On my flexible list is the graphic card i chosen based on the suggestions of JackNaylorPE
Graphic Card: ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti

with this card the cost of the pc goes to $1,410.90

I don't know if you have any other suggestion for the graphic card. But as I am not a hardcore gamer I think this card will be very good for me.
Another question:
If I am buying a graphic card do you think the Intel Core i5-2550K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz will be a better option for me for 20$ more.

Here's how the nVidia last gen cards stack up against one another. Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

$ 200.00 560 Ti (455/792) $ 0.44 - $ 0.51
$ 210.00 560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862) $ 0.42 - $ 0.49
$ 270.00 560-448 (501/835) $ 0.54 - $ 0.65
$ 310.00 570 (524/873) $ 0.59 - $ 0.71
$ 450.00 580 (616/953) $ 0.73 - $ 0.94

Ya spending $310 on a card that doesn't have a very attractive cost per frame. The standout above from a cost per frame standpoint is obviously the one that costs ya $0.42 per frame. Two of them costs ya only $0.49 per frame which is still substantially lower than the single 57's numbers. It will also give ya an extra 60% performance ..... downside is it will cost ya an extra $110.
this is all for now unless the ivy bridge gets on the way. LOL








 

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How come the price of the samsung SSD went from $169.99 to $249.99?
This is going to change my list.
 

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I think your build is solid. The 560ti is a great graphics card, and will match well with a i5.

I think the 2550k is a gimmik - I think it is batches of CPU's that had failed graphics and they turned them into a more expensive product - Great marketing idea that someone came up with, but I can almost guarantee you they're inferior to the 2500k.

Now that Ivy Bridge is out I'm getting several orders in (the reason I've been absent from the forums). I really don't see the $50 difference being worth it at all though. You can get a 2500k for $200 easy now, and its ivy bridge companion is 25% more for 4% more performance? No thanks. I'd stick with the 2500k, especially with a cooler like the zalman - If you actually overclock sandy has proven to be better at overclocking than ivy.

The only ivy builds I'm suggesting to clients is a mini itx build I just did and a micro atx build. If you have a mid tower there's no need to pay the premium, grab sandy while they're goin on sale.

**edit: Also keep in mind the 660 and 670 release should be in another 2-3 weeks, if you have that time - the 2500k could give you a functional computer and give you time to put it all together nice and run all your cables while you wait for a 660 or 670 to show up and snipe one of em
 

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Nvidia CEO will be doing a keynote presentation on May 14th - you can bet that's when the 670 will be announced at least, probably the 660 too - which means May 21st or so for them to hit the shelves.
 

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:hello: I want to thank everybody for the help. Today its May 2nd and it is time to announce the winner of this contest.
At the beginning I was very undecided who would win this contest because a lot of you gave detailed help for building this pc especially JackNaylorPE and dkcomputer.
But dkcomputer did a better job by being with me till thee end of the contest and giving very good arguments on which parts to chose.
Of course I did a lot of research myself but he definitely helped me save some bucks and get the best pc for my needs.

:bounce: :bounce: And the winner is dkcomputer. :bounce: :bounce:

Big thanks also go to JackNaylorPE, hellfire24, Rockdpm, g-unit1111, geogolem.

dkcomputer please send me your paypal email by private message so I can send your bonus.

the final list of my parts is:

Case: Corsair Carbide Series 500R White - $139.99
Graphic Card : ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 - $239.99
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz - $219.99
Mobo: ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE LGA 1155 Intel Z77 - $274.99
PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX650 650W - $149.99
SSD: Kingston HyperX 3K SH103S3/120G - $139.99
HD: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB - $99.99
Ram: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB - $44.99
Cooler: ZALMAN CNPS9900ALED - $58.99
Thermal compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $11.99
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$1,380.9

If I will not be in a hurry with my job I will wait for the 660 or 670 graphic cards and after reading some reviews about them I may get one of those instead of the 560.

Thanks again for your help to all of you.

 

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