2011-3 or 1151?

[sambo567]

Hey all ,

Just a quick question; with the release of 1151 socket. What would be the advantages of 1151 over 2011-3? With very little research so far I've noticed that the big difference is quad channel memory vs duel channel memory. Are 1151 more for the budget builds or will the 6700K kick the 5820k's ass? 4ghz with 8mb cache quad core vs 3.3 with 15mb cache 6 core. [Side note: i'm coming off a 755 Socket Q6600 so either will be a real performance increase]

Does anyone think a current CPU coolers and liquid coolers that support Intel LGA 1150/1155/1156 potentially support the new 1151 one aswell? Currently have an EK Supremacy EVO waterblock to put into my new build.

I'm keen as mustard for a new gaming PC and now with 1151 that has just come out has certainly made the job a little harder. Another reason that 2011-3 is still appealing is the expansion capabilities in the RAM and the motherboards seem to be a little more enthusiast grade?

Would love to hear some thoughts on some different combinations of boards for either socket. Any help is good help

Cheers'
Sam

Ps: Is windows 10 really going to be worth it?

 

[davidarad02]

yes, windows 10 is worth it.

anyway, 1151 is more of a mainstream platform, because it costs less, and has less stuff that the enthusiast level has (like more then 4 hyperthreded cores).
so x99 has quad channel ddr4 which z170 has dual. x99 has six and eight core chips while z170 has a max of 4. z170 has more PCIe lanes on the chipset, while the x99 platform has a crap ton more sata ports.
if you are going to be watercooling, I recommend getting the x99 platform, as more cores, more sata, more USB and quad channel RAM support are all awesome.

 

[sambo567]

yes, windows 10 is worth it.

anyway, 1151 is more of a mainstream platform, because it costs less, and has less stuff that the enthusiast level has (like more then 4 hyperthreded cores).
so x99 has quad channel ddr4 which z170 has dual. x99 has six and eight core chips while z170 has a max of 4. z170 has more PCIe lanes on the chipset, while the x99 platform has a crap ton more sata ports.
if you are going to be watercooling, I recommend getting the x99 platform, as more cores, more sata, more USB and quad channel RAM support are all awesome.

Thanks for the quick reply, I thought the X99 was the logical choice! looking at Graphics cards has been pretty hard too...I was going to wait it out for a EVGA 980 ti hydro, any suggestions on a good GPU while you are here? haha

 

[davidarad02]

yes, windows 10 is worth it.

anyway, 1151 is more of a mainstream platform, because it costs less, and has less stuff that the enthusiast level has (like more then 4 hyperthreded cores).
so x99 has quad channel ddr4 which z170 has dual. x99 has six and eight core chips while z170 has a max of 4. z170 has more PCIe lanes on the chipset, while the x99 platform has a crap ton more sata ports.
if you are going to be watercooling, I recommend getting the x99 platform, as more cores, more sata, more USB and quad channel RAM support are all awesome.

Thanks for the quick reply, I thought the X99 was the logical choice! looking at Graphics cards has been pretty hard too...I was going to wait it out for a EVGA 980 ti hydro, any suggestions on a good GPU while you are here? haha

any decent 980 ti will be very good, and 2 regular 980's in SLI will be even better, as it can really use the extra PCIe lanes x99 offers.

 

[sambo567]

yes, windows 10 is worth it.

anyway, 1151 is more of a mainstream platform, because it costs less, and has less stuff that the enthusiast level has (like more then 4 hyperthreded cores).
so x99 has quad channel ddr4 which z170 has dual. x99 has six and eight core chips while z170 has a max of 4. z170 has more PCIe lanes on the chipset, while the x99 platform has a crap ton more sata ports.
if you are going to be watercooling, I recommend getting the x99 platform, as more cores, more sata, more USB and quad channel RAM support are all awesome.

Thanks for the quick reply, I thought the X99 was the logical choice! looking at Graphics cards has been pretty hard too...I was going to wait it out for a EVGA 980 ti hydro, any suggestions on a good GPU while you are here? haha

any decent 980 ti will be very good, and 2 regular 980's in SLI will be even better, as it can really use the extra PCIe lanes x99 offers.

I feel like I'm going backwards now 😛 I waited for the Fury X...didn't live up to the expectation! I thought 970 in SLI would cut it. I'm thinking of starting with a single card watercooled then adding a second one in at a later date...it gets pretty expensive :/

 

[davidarad02]

yes, windows 10 is worth it.

anyway, 1151 is more of a mainstream platform, because it costs less, and has less stuff that the enthusiast level has (like more then 4 hyperthreded cores).
so x99 has quad channel ddr4 which z170 has dual. x99 has six and eight core chips while z170 has a max of 4. z170 has more PCIe lanes on the chipset, while the x99 platform has a crap ton more sata ports.
if you are going to be watercooling, I recommend getting the x99 platform, as more cores, more sata, more USB and quad channel RAM support are all awesome.

Thanks for the quick reply, I thought the X99 was the logical choice! looking at Graphics cards has been pretty hard too...I was going to wait it out for a EVGA 980 ti hydro, any suggestions on a good GPU while you are here? haha

any decent 980 ti will be very good, and 2 regular 980's in SLI will be even better, as it can really use the extra PCIe lanes x99 offers.

I feel like I'm going backwards now 😛 I waited for the Fury X...didn't live up to the expectation! I thought 970 in SLI would cut it. I'm thinking of starting with a single card watercooled then adding a second one in at a later date...it gets pretty expensive :/

now that the 980 ti is out, there is no point on getting 2 970s right out of the gate, as you get similar performance (with a 980 ti), more ram, and no SLI issues.
if you want to upgrade later, you should get a 980 ti, and add one later (whenever you want), but if you are getting the hybrid version make sure you have a spot for the radiator that wont look stupid.

 

[RobCrezz]

For gaming, the 1151 platform makes more sense in terms of cost. for Productivity when you want more cores and higher bandwidth ram (quad channel), then X99 makes more sense.

 

[sambo567]

Thanks for the heads up! The hydro was appealing because it just came with the fittings no rads or anything like that but its sold out World wide :/ and it doesnt look like its going to be restocked here in the near future! Do you have any recommendations for a 980 ti? EVGA seems like a pretty good brand from what i have heard.

 

[davidarad02]

Thanks for the heads up! The hydro was appealing because it just came with the fittings no rads or anything like that but its sold out World wide :/ and it doesnt look like its going to be restocked here in the near future! Do you have any recommendations for a 980 ti? EVGA seems like a pretty good brand from what i have heard.

I like MSI cards, as they have very nice extra features, and they are super quiet (I run a MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G and I cant hear it over my case fans on idle, and at 100% load)

 

[sambo567]

Thanks for the heads up! The hydro was appealing because it just came with the fittings no rads or anything like that but its sold out World wide :/ and it doesnt look like its going to be restocked here in the near future! Do you have any recommendations for a 980 ti? EVGA seems like a pretty good brand from what i have heard.

I like MSI cards, as they have very nice extra features, and they are super quiet (I run a MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G and I cant hear it over my case fans on idle, and at 100% load)

Noise shouldn't be too much of a problem with a liquid cool right? Do you know if the MSI 980 TI is reference?

 

[davidarad02]

Thanks for the heads up! The hydro was appealing because it just came with the fittings no rads or anything like that but its sold out World wide :/ and it doesnt look like its going to be restocked here in the near future! Do you have any recommendations for a 980 ti? EVGA seems like a pretty good brand from what i have heard.

I like MSI cards, as they have very nice extra features, and they are super quiet (I run a MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G and I cant hear it over my case fans on idle, and at 100% load)

Noise shouldn't be too much of a problem with a liquid cool right? Do you know if the MSI 980 TI is reference?

the MSI card im talking about is an air cooled one, and no. its not the reference one. this is it:
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-gtx980tigaming6g

 

[sambo567]

Thanks for the heads up! The hydro was appealing because it just came with the fittings no rads or anything like that but its sold out World wide :/ and it doesnt look like its going to be restocked here in the near future! Do you have any recommendations for a 980 ti? EVGA seems like a pretty good brand from what i have heard.

I like MSI cards, as they have very nice extra features, and they are super quiet (I run a MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G and I cant hear it over my case fans on idle, and at 100% load)

Noise shouldn't be too much of a problem with a liquid cool right? Do you know if the MSI 980 TI is reference?

the MSI card im talking about is an air cooled one, and no. its not the reference one. this is it:
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-gtx980tigaming6g

Hmm not bad at all....

 

[QSV]

Keep in mind that the 2011-3 platform doesnt have the single thread performance 1150 or 1151 has because the CPUs are generally not able to reach as high overclocks as a i7-6700k or i5-4790k. Theres also a single thread performance bug under Windows for CPUs with more than 4 cores which still doesnt seem to be fixed completely in Windows 10. That will lower you single thread performance also a bit.

Windows 10 is worth it for DX12 alone, but also keep in mind that its harvesting your data like never before, even email content, passwords, folder contents, etc. You can turn most of that off, but they can turn it on again, even without you noticing and everyone is naive to think they dont have a backdoor. Professionals still have to do more tests to really see what MS is really doing on your PC with that OS.

 

[davidarad02]

Keep in mind that the 2011-3 platform doesnt have the single thread performance 1150 or 1151 has because the CPUs are generally not able to reach as high overclocks as a i7-6700k or i5-4790k. Theres also a single thread performance bug under Windows for CPUs with more than 4 cores which still doesnt seem to be fixed completely in Windows 10. That will lower you single thread performance also a bit.

Windows 10 is worth it for DX12 alone, but also keep in mind that its harvesting your data like never before, even email content, passwords, folder contents, etc. You can turn most of that off, but they can turn it on again, even without you noticing and everyone is naive to think they dont have a backdoor. Professionals still have to do more tests to really see what MS is really doing on your PC with that OS.

you know that when overclocking you dont need to overclock all cores to the same, you can tweak it and make more cores more powerful then others, which games will use...mobile CPUs are doing this for a few years now....
what "single threaded performance bug"?? no such thing exists...

 

[QSV]

Keep in mind that the 2011-3 platform doesnt have the single thread performance 1150 or 1151 has because the CPUs are generally not able to reach as high overclocks as a i7-6700k or i5-4790k. Theres also a single thread performance bug under Windows for CPUs with more than 4 cores which still doesnt seem to be fixed completely in Windows 10. That will lower you single thread performance also a bit.

Windows 10 is worth it for DX12 alone, but also keep in mind that its harvesting your data like never before, even email content, passwords, folder contents, etc. You can turn most of that off, but they can turn it on again, even without you noticing and everyone is naive to think they dont have a backdoor. Professionals still have to do more tests to really see what MS is really doing on your PC with that OS.

you know that when overclocking you dont need to overclock all cores to the same, you can tweak it and make more cores more powerful then others, which games will use...mobile CPUs are doing this for a few years now....
what "single threaded performance bug"?? no such thing exists...

But that doesnt work always as well or as easy as you think and you will have to change it all the time if you want it to behave differently due to different programs.
And of course theres the single thread performance bug. Its not known well, since not many people with a platform like that care, since they WORK with multithreaded programs only, but it is there.
A few German cracks noticed it at the end of last year, so you wont find many English threads about it. That is the best I found, yet there are still a few idiots replying to him, that dont grasp what hes talking about:
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?52914-Turbo-Issue-and-Performance-Problems
There are a few workarounds like disabling speed stepping, but they arent applicable for most people because that will draw a lot more power in idle than normally.

 

[davidarad02]

Keep in mind that the 2011-3 platform doesnt have the single thread performance 1150 or 1151 has because the CPUs are generally not able to reach as high overclocks as a i7-6700k or i5-4790k. Theres also a single thread performance bug under Windows for CPUs with more than 4 cores which still doesnt seem to be fixed completely in Windows 10. That will lower you single thread performance also a bit.

Windows 10 is worth it for DX12 alone, but also keep in mind that its harvesting your data like never before, even email content, passwords, folder contents, etc. You can turn most of that off, but they can turn it on again, even without you noticing and everyone is naive to think they dont have a backdoor. Professionals still have to do more tests to really see what MS is really doing on your PC with that OS.

you know that when overclocking you dont need to overclock all cores to the same, you can tweak it and make more cores more powerful then others, which games will use...mobile CPUs are doing this for a few years now....
what "single threaded performance bug"?? no such thing exists...

But that doesnt work always as well or as easy as you think and you will have to change it all the time if you want it to behave differently due to different programs.
And of course theres the single thread performance bug. Its not known well, since not many people with a platform like that care, since they WORK with multithreaded programs only, but it is there.
A few German cracks noticed it at the end of last year, so you wont find many English threads about it. That is the best I found, yet there are still a few idiots replying to him, that dont grasp what hes talking about:
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?52914-Turbo-Issue-and-Performance-Problems
There are a few workarounds like disabling speed stepping, but they arent applicable for most people because that will draw a lot more power in idle than normally.

anyway, even if you overclock the 6700k to 4.6 or 4.7 and the 5820k to 4.5, it will hardly made a difference.

 

[QSV]

Thats what I was trying to explain. Its not that easy or common to get a 5820k to 4.5 GHz! It might work, but you also might only reach 4.2 or 4, if youre unlucky. There is no guarantee.
You will have a much easier time getting a 6700k to 4.5 GHz.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

The 980 Ti exists because the Fury X exists. It lived up to my expectations to say the least. Regarding Windows 10, it's in the Terms that they can spy on you. Basically every big company on the internet does that already, and sell information. No news here, I don't see why one would get paranoid about that.

 

[davidarad02]

Thats what I was trying to explain. Its not that easy or common to get a 5820k to 4.5 GHz! It might work, but you also might only reach 4.2 or 4, if youre unlucky. There is no guarantee.
You will have a much easier time getting a 6700k to 4.5 GHz.

but it is...almost everone has got 4.5 (and the ones who didnt got 4.4.....)

 

[QSV]

Thats what I was trying to explain. Its not that easy or common to get a 5820k to 4.5 GHz! It might work, but you also might only reach 4.2 or 4, if youre unlucky. There is no guarantee.
You will have a much easier time getting a 6700k to 4.5 GHz.

but it is...almost everone has got 4.5 (and the ones who didnt got 4.4.....)

I know plenty of people on forums who only reached 4.2, 4.3 and even some only 4.1. Of course I also know some who reached 4.6 or 4.7, but they are very rare.
Its a gambling game. You might get a very good CPU, you might get an average one, or you might get a bad one.
The spreading has always been lower with 4 core CPUs. Everyone for example is able to get an 4790K to 4.5 GHz, even 4.8 GHz arent that rare.

 

[davidarad02]

Thats what I was trying to explain. Its not that easy or common to get a 5820k to 4.5 GHz! It might work, but you also might only reach 4.2 or 4, if youre unlucky. There is no guarantee.
You will have a much easier time getting a 6700k to 4.5 GHz.

but it is...almost everone has got 4.5 (and the ones who didnt got 4.4.....)

I know plenty of people on forums who only reached 4.2, 4.3 and even some only 4.1. Of course I also know some who reached 4.6 or 4.7, but they are very rare.
Its a gambling game. You might get a very good CPU, you might get an average one, or you might get a bad one.
The spreading has always been lower with 4 core CPUs. Everyone for example is able to get an 4790K to 4.5 GHz, even 4.8 GHz arent that rare.

that is also wrong, most 4790k owners (me included) got 4.7. 4.5 with a 5820 is not rare (considering you dont get over 3GHz RAM)

 

[QSV]

Well, if you can guarantee the OP that he will be able to reach 4.5 GHz and pay him money if he doesnt, go ahead.

 

[davidarad02]

Well, if you can guarantee the OP that he will be able to reach 4.5 GHz and pay him money if he doesnt, go ahead.

I wont pay money for a guy on a forum, and everything is still a loterry, but what im saying is that MOST people are getting 4.5.

 

[QSV]

Yeah, its a lottery, which doesnt have nearly as well odds as the lotteries on 1150 or 1151. Thats all I said.

 

[davidarad02]

Yeah, its a lottery, which doesnt have nearly as well odds as the lotteries on 1150 or 1151. Thats all I said.

what?? the LGA1150 and 1151 has the EXACT same lottery as the 2011 ones...the cores in the 4790k and the cores in the 5820 are EXACTLY THE SAME CORES. they are both haswell based cores....they are made in the same process and have the same exact chance to get a bad chip... the 5820k has a lesser chance to get a consistant, higher clock speed because there are more cores, and if you tweak it to the max, you could probably get cores much higher then other ones...