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$2,000 Capturing and Editing build: 1800X vs 7700K vs 6850K

I'm looking to spend around $2K on building a PC that will mostly be used for Capturing, Streaming, Content creation and Editing video. I'm at a loss for which parts to choose.

I'm not sure which CPU to choose now that AMD has the 1800X. And I do plan on running a GPU (either 1080 or 1080TI or dual GPUs if that is worth it), but I am not sure which choice is best. Will most of the load be handed to the GPU so I'm better off spending more budget on the GPU? And will losing PCI lanes cause me problems in the long run? And do I worry about onboard graphics on the CPU?

I need to put at least 1 capture card in the rig. I honestly don't care about the case aesthetic. I would like to have more than 1 capture card, but if that doesn't fit into the build cost, I can add one later. I would prefer PCI capture card. But I also need multiple USB 3.0 ports, an SD card reader. I would like to have USB C as well.

And I would want to run as much RAM as possible. Standard SSD over M.2 because it doesn't seem like performance/$ is worth it yet.

Does anyone have some suggestions?
 
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Well that's another thing I was unsure about. IF I go AMD for the CPU would I not want to go AMD for the GPU? Reality is if the 1080TI is going to be the fastest and most optimized for my work and it fits the budget then I would go 1080TI. or 1080 if not. unless keeping AMD with AMD is the way to go.

I would think I couldn't do the build for under 2K so montior, keyboard, mouse not included. I have an MX Master that I got about a week after it was released and tons of other mice around. I have at least 2 USB keyboards I can get by with until I upgrade there. I honestly do not want to purchase a monitor now - I currently have a 1080P projector on a 120" screen in a room with the other 3 walls greenscreened and 2 other "televisions" that are only 1080P, so I kind of need to get a 4K display sometime soon... I have almost bit the bullet several times, but as soon as I see something that makes sense something else comes around the corner... and prices are constantly dropping... such is technology... but if I get a good recommendation (size does matter and spectrum does matter and portability/setup somewhat matters.). I have often considered just using a TV because as I said, I don't really plan on gaming so the slight lag - though video editing - isn't going to be a significant issue. Especially when I'm editing frame-by-frame at times.

But no, no monitor in the budget. But if possible a capture card included. a top end GPU optimized for the workload of editing, capturing, ingesting and streaming. As much RAM as the budget allows, the best CPU for the budget/workload, an SD card reader if possible, multiple USB 3.0/3.1, if possible at least 1 USB C, if I could get 2 capture cards that would be ideal, but I understand I may just have to add another down the line if the budget doesn't work for it, if possible though not likely a Firewire port, Do I need a sound card? does the motherboard have one built in? Do I need a networking card? does the motherboard have one built in? - YES I need and want sound and networking. Though I will plug in a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 for a lot of the sound and editing work, or Project Mix I/O, or one of my other DACs - but those will be USB (or firewire if available). and won't be used except when editing. typically I would run a simple 1/8" TRS phono (or optical cable if available but not prioritized) from a surround sound receiver.
I will honestly very very rarely ever consume content besides webpages or acquiring things for an edit via the machine. I typically have another device running simultaneously with some type of media while I'm on any of my rigs. So having a dolby surround connection, etc. is not a necessity.

the focus is being able to plug in the devices I need USB and HDMI capture and being able to edit and scrub thru 4K multi layered edits smoothly and be able to ingest and capture while streaming out smoothly both Audio and Video. And running quietly is another high priority due to recording music and using super sensitive mics that tend to pick up fans, etc. and sometimes running long runs of cable to the machine in another room isn't capable.

If I happen to throw some games at it later down the road and it's dropping frames that is a sacrafice I am willing to make IF it means more optimization for the major workload I purchase it for.

IF overclocking is going to help with optimizing it for the workload and will not needlessly stress the components or cause unnecessary noise from the fans and I can accomplish without too much work on my part I am willing to try it, but I have literally never overclocked a chip on any device I've ever owned. I don't want to buy a chip and kill it, and I don't want to make the rig run louder than it has to to keep up with the workload.

When I edit the footage is likely the most stress on it and then I actually don't care about noise. I only care about noise when I am capturing a stream (which will be 1080 or the near future at least) - though I do want a 4K capable card - and using hot mics, OR when I am recording music - i.e. drums, guitar, bass, percussion, vocals- I have been recording music for decades and I am trying to get a live video+audio podcast stream back up and running thru this new rig so those mics will be super sensitive.. - when I capture my gaming from PS4 I can run a more simple USB mic like my Yetti or a condenser on the Scarlet 18i20 and I don't care too much about the noise bleed for gaming captures. But it does matter for Music and Video/Podcast recording.

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!! sorry to write so many words. That's what I do.
 
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P.S. the build that @Chugalug_ posted seems like a good build, but I haven't dug into it too much. If I could slam more RAM into it I would love to do that. And adding a capture card.. or if I have to stretch the budget a little to get what I want I would consider that option, or if that could be an option where I add to the build to get it there by adding a part 2 or 3 months down the road for another 2 or $300. ... but if I throw 300 at a display then that will likely not happen

Edit: you don't need a H5 if you're not OCing. 😉
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor ($498.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($31.49 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: ASRock AB350 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($189.97 @ Jet)
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.69 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($66.89 @ Newegg)
Other: GTX 1080 Ti Estimated Cost ($699.00)
Total: $1992.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-08 18:58 EST-0500
 
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Dunno why you put down my build again lol.
@OP, here's an edited build to reflect the costs you just mentioned including.
You know you can plug in the Soundrite to your PC and use that as the sound card right?
If you're talking wired networking, there's already an ethernet port on the mobo, you just hook that up to a router and you're set, but if you want wireless i've included a card.
OCing is relatively safe, just put the core clock up a bit, tweak the voltage a tiny amount and you're set.
With these high core count CPUs though, the overclock generally isn't great, as all the cores have to comply with that clock, meaning if one doesn't like it the CPU will be unstable, hence why when we're OCing we test with stress test software and intensive benchmarks.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($328.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($31.49 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: ASRock AB350 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($189.97 @ Jet)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($177.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.69 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($62.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($66.89 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I REV 4.2 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: LG 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Other: GTX 1080 Ti Estimated Cost ($699.00)
Total: $2179.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-09 00:12 EST-0500
 
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@Chugalug_ I didn't mean 8K for the display. I mean shooting and editing 8K footage.

The Note 3 released in Sept. 2013 was capable of shooting 4K. There were a ton of actual video rigs shooting prior to that. But it went into the more maintstream DSLR style more recently. There are actually plenty of cameras that shoot 10K, and more high end cameras shooting over 20, 60, 100K... I don't plan on editing any of that soon, but I do plan on getting into 8K editing within the next year or 2. i.e. Red Weapons are shooting 8-10K NOW.... The Maintstream is catching up to CONSUMING 4K content, but capturing and editing larger than 4K (8-10K+) is becoming the standard NOWish.. If I have an 8K image I can crop it x4 (remember dimensions) and still have a FULL 4K image to render. So even though the render is at 4K and the upload is at 4K and the content being consumed is at 4K - IN THE EDIT the file is larger than 4K in order to have a buffer room in the footprint to work with during the edit. So it's more so that I would desire for CPU/GPU/Build to handle the EDITING side of 8K footage, which means more playing and scrubbing inside software. IF I had to lower the resolution on the SOFTWARE "display" window for playback during the edit I guess I can live with that, - this is what I do now with 4K footage on my laptops, run the software's internal playback window at a lower resolution than the actual file so that I can more smoothly scrub/edit because my machine can't keep up, then render back out at the full resolution. Always still using only the 4K monitor to edit/view... but knowing that the actual file size being worked with is 8K. ... afterall, when using the software, unless the playback window was being used at "full screen" size, the playback isn't showing at the full 4K pixel range anyway. but the CPU and GPU need to be capable of handling the 4K file just the same.
 
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Yeah, that was @30fps, oh well! :)
It's all 8k ready when that eventually comes around anyway, you're set.
Storage might become a concern for you working with high res files in the future, but you can always just grab another 7200RPM HDD of whatever size you need and chuck it in.
Any other concerns that you need addressed?
 
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@Chugalug - you still haven't included a GPU in the build. Have I missed something (there is a lot of text above, so that's entirely possible!) But as is - your build won't work and requires a chunk more cash for a competent GPU.

@ScrappeyDP - What software are you using for your video editing? Have you done some reading on what GPUs work best with them. You're talking about throwing huge money at a 1080ti, which *might* be helpful, but may also be far from the right pick for your needs.

Have a look at this article - which is by no means comprehensive in any way (and is also over 6 months old). But it's looking at a specific Premiere Pro build and gives you an idea of the differences between GPUs: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-2015-3-Pascal-GPU-Performance-840/
While some workflows are going to make use of a 1080ti, you can see from the article that in loads of cases the 1060 (which can be had for around $200 or a little more) performs basically identically. If you go with different software, that picture will change completely. I know the older (and more amateur level) Sony Vegas 13, for example, tends to run better on AMD hardware.

RE AMD cards in an AMD system, that's a complete nonsense. It's just an x86 CPU with a PCIe slot. AMD cards don't run any better in an AMD system than Nvidia cards do, so don't let that influence your decision.

What software do you use?
Can you do some research around the right video card for you?
Then we can try to put together a balanced build for your needs.
 
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I'm just gonna hop on this train real quick and say that I'm 100% certain that the equipment he needs and wants is well over 2k.

You're not going to get what you're looking for with 2k.

My build was $2500 with all the flashy lights. You can drop I'd say $250 for all the rgb crap and you're still over budget with components that only partially cover the bases, as you're asking for quite a hefty system for larger workloads than a video game.
 
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Can I skip the display you included in the latter build so I can go with the 1800X? build? Then I will get a monitor with a different budget. Or would you suggest NOT trying to use a 4K TV display as a display even if I am not gaming on it?

Does the build come with everything I would need to assemble it and get it operational? or would I need to buy cables?
I don't see an OS included. Do you have a recommendation for getting an OS/Key? Or should I use Bonanza.com to get a $33.00 Windows key? I don't know if I can still do that, but the keys I received for all 3 of my W10 machines have never given me any issues and always validate. I think these were actually Windows 7 that was freely upgraded...

Hard drive space is not a major concern. I have 16TBs of storage so I plan to move everything off the machine unless I am working on a project.



Oh also... Does this build come with RGB? ;-) ha ha, just kidding. I have enough lasers and lights as it is!

Thanks again for your help!!



 
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He listed the GPU under "Other" and it is a 1080TI

Other: GTX 1080 Ti Estimated Cost ($699.00)

Maybe because they are not available yet? ... honestly I can wait until they are released if they're coming in the next 4 weeks or less.
 
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But this is the point I'm making. OP doesn't want to game - from what I can tell - so then the GPU choice depends entirely on the workflow. For example, if OP is working in Premiere Pro from 4K RED footage and exporting to either 4K or 1080P h.264, a GTX 1060 is equally as competent as a $1000 Titan X (Pascal).

So if that's the workflow, you can put together a build with a Ryzen 7 1700 OC'd to 3.9 or 4Ghz, 32GB of nice fast RAM, an SSD and storage drive, two capture cards and maybe even a 4K display for $2000.

Obviously if OP's workflow really demands a 1080ti, then things are going to be much more difficult. But that's the question that needs answering before we can put a build together.
 
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Right you are, yes. Thanks. Sorry @Chugalug.

I believe they're launching on the 15th March. There's still a big question in my mind about whether you actually need that much GPU horsepower. Did you have a look at that article I linked? Are you using Premiere Pro or something else?
 
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Gaming (live streaming too), also CUDA acceleration can be extremely helpful in certain video application.

 
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If you define professional use as producing income from the content then yes.

If you consider professional use working for a large corporation or freelancing for something big budget, no.

The audio (recording) side of things is not going to stress the build, except for worrying about acoustics.
It's the Capturing/Live streaming and the Video editing that I am more worried about.


I am currently more using Premiere Pro CC than Resolve. Like I said I looked at Lightworks too. I really HATE subscription models for software! so I want something I can own permanently. BUT I also enjoy using different editors for different projects. I came from audio editing where I learned originally on early Sony "DJ" software and analog recorders and have used almost every major DAW available today at one point or another. It is important to know the skills and techniques needed to accomplish the task regardless of the tool being used, and it's great to force yourself to use a foreign program to try and accomplish your vision because the process develops you in new ways. You learn new skills or techniques or discover new ways of doing something or new ideas.

there are even times when I need a quick edit where I will go back and use something like Windows Movie Maker or VSDC or Filmora.

But by FAR I use Premiere Pro CC the most, and Davinci Resolve the second most.


I will read the article and get back to you on GPU suggestions. Thanks!!
 
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What on earth are you on about?
Sorry, but a 7700k 1080 32GB RAM build only costs $1400 to make.
You just spent money on an overkill 1TB SSD, a top of the line TV, an overkill 1000w PSU which will see no additional use above the 550w mark and RGB RAM.
Your spending is too extravagant, 2k is heaps for this rig...
The list I put together firstly costs less than 2.5k, secondly has a 4k monitor included and thirdly, the OP has stated that "There is a chance that I will game if I have the power to do so".
The 1080ti will also help heaps with CUDA acceleration in premiere pro if CUDA is enabled.
 
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Case and point.
Also @OP, if you want quiet operation, turn the motherboard's system fan preset to quiet, or low, that will limit the speed of the fans so they run quieter.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($337.49 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($31.49 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170X-UD3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($189.97 @ Jet)
Storage: Zotac Premium Edition 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Video Card ($509.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($62.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($66.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $1407.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-09 01:35 EST-0500
 
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Article is discussing a Core i7 6950X CPU

But as it discusses (I am going with single GPU example) IF you are downscaling footage i.e. 8K-->4K then the more powerful card does show some benefit with the 12GB Titan X > 1080 > 980ti > 1070 > 1060

So I think the 1080TI would be of benefit for the future so I can throw money somewhere else in the future rather than upgrading the GPU. or at least 1080 if not a TI.

Top graph on image below
https://www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=40577&width=646

"However, we did see a big difference when we scaled the RED 6K footage down to 4K. "
<b> "this does suggest that a more powerful video card is more likely to be beneficial if you export to a lower resolution than your source footage."</b>
 
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"So if that's the workflow, you can put together a build with a Ryzen 7 1700 OC'd to 3.9 or 4Ghz, 32GB of nice fast RAM, an SSD and storage drive, two capture cards and maybe even a 4K display for $2000. "

I don't want to go all the way down to a 1060, but if you can put a build together like that with a 1070/1080 I would consider it. because I guess I can upgrade GPU in the future. But are you sure the CPU of 1700 instead of 1800X or 1700X is a good choice? don't I at least need the X to overclock? ...



 
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Let's go with the premise that my workflow is Premiere Pro CC 4K-->4K H.264 NOW, with a near future 8K-->4K workflow

"Conclusion"

In most situations, there is no need to use a dual GPU configuration.
When exporting, a faster GPU is more likely to give you a performance benefit if your source footage is a higher resolution than the export resolution.
Generating previews saw the biggest variance between the different GPU models with 1080p footage. ProRes 4K also saw a benefit, but all the others (H.264 4K, CineForm 4K, RED 4K, and RED 6K) saw virtually no difference in the time it took to generate previews with the different video cards.

***Keep in mind that the more GPU accelerated effects you use, the larger the difference between each of the models we tested should become - so if you tend to use a lot of the accelerated effects the GTX 1080 and Titan X should provide an even larger benefit than what we showed in this article.**

^ so due to the above YES, the more powerful GPU is a desire of mine. because I continue to expand my effects skills and toolsets
 
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Right, but just remember that GPUs get better allll the time AND, different programs and versions of programs play better with different hardware. So if you're unsure what your long term workflow will be, or it might be a year or two before you start working with 6K or 8K source material, you may well be better off actually getting the 1060 for now, which as you can see is absolutely fine for most workflows, and then once you've got higher end source material and a finalised workflow, then making a targeted upgrade to the specific hardware that'll best meet your needs. Nvidia usually has their $350-$450 xx70 card matching their previous gen flagship. So you will probably find that a 1170 (or whatever it is that's out by the time you get your higher res source material) matches the 1080ti, for much less money.

Obviously for gaming the 1080ti is superior, especially if you hope to game at 4K. But I usually would NOT recommend someone spend $600+ on a GPU on the basis (in your words), "there is a chance I will game if I have the power to do so, but..."

I just wonder whether, by dropping to a 1060, you could likely deck out the machine with a reasonable 4K display, get your quality capture cards and everything else you need. If you find with future workloads that your GPU is running 100%, then upgrade it.

Anyway, up to you of course. It's just that there aren't that many Premiere workloads that actually utilise those high end GPUs
 
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I think the build @Chugalug_ posted originally with the 1800X is more along the lines of what I am looking for. And then we/I can choose a monitor separately. I'm willing to sacrifice storage for speed and power or more RAM or quiet.

But yes the Live streaming and capturing is important to me. and if CUDA accelerates premiere's work I will enable and take advantage of it.
 
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So yes, your logic does make sense with regards to my current workflow, EXCEPT for the live streaming and capturing part. Do you think a 1070/1080 can handle the load?


Let's say I have a soundcard plugged in Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 USB, and several USB webcams plugged in and/or a downscaled 1080 signal coming from a camera while the camera and 2 other capture in 4K. All those 4K files get later synchronized and edited in premiere, but the LIVE stream comes in and goes out concurrently. either out the Network cable or out a Wifi network. Preferably cable depending on location and availability. So I need for it to handle that 3x 1080 capture + sound concurrent input workload NOW, like the day I build it if possible. And to be able to edit and render 4K Multicam files with effects NOW.
 
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The GPU doesn't handle live streaming, that's the CPU and the thing as 16 threads.
Hell, a 4 thread Intel i5 7500 can handle streaming well.

I don't know what capture cards you want though, that's up to you to decide and that's clearly your area of expertise, I won't pretend I know what to look for to meet your specs. :)
The only difference between the 1800x and the 1700 is slightly lower clock speeds, you'll barely notice a difference, dw.

 
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Well I'm no expert on internal cards. I know Epiphan AVIO cards are excellent external USB cards. But I wouldn't know about adding one to this build unless I went external.

For me it's not just about sending out a stream, but also capturing from multiple sources 3x 1080 while chromaing the background and applying graphics and sending that upstream simultaneously. So does the additional capturing fr sources and effects/overlays not require more resources?
 
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