$2K editing CPU?

[ScrappeyDP]

$2,000 Capturing and Editing build: 1800X vs 7700K vs 6850K

I'm looking to spend around $2K on building a PC that will mostly be used for Capturing, Streaming, Content creation and Editing video. I'm at a loss for which parts to choose.

I'm not sure which CPU to choose now that AMD has the 1800X. And I do plan on running a GPU (either 1080 or 1080TI or dual GPUs if that is worth it), but I am not sure which choice is best. Will most of the load be handed to the GPU so I'm better off spending more budget on the GPU? And will losing PCI lanes cause me problems in the long run? And do I worry about onboard graphics on the CPU?

I need to put at least 1 capture card in the rig. I honestly don't care about the case aesthetic. I would like to have more than 1 capture card, but if that doesn't fit into the build cost, I can add one later. I would prefer PCI capture card. But I also need multiple USB 3.0 ports, an SD card reader. I would like to have USB C as well.

And I would want to run as much RAM as possible. Standard SSD over M.2 because it doesn't seem like performance/$ is worth it yet.

Does anyone have some suggestions?

 

[Chugalug_]

@The OriginalRalph, sorry, I thought you were the other guy who said: " want to build a similar pc with the option to upgrade another gpu a year later. I will probably wait for the Asus Strix 1080ti.
It uses 2.5 slots. Which mainboard do I have to get to support possible two of those cards?"

 

[ScrappeyDP]

The Keyboard arrived today. The mouse - Logitech G900 - arrived a couple days ago.

HONESTLY: not impressed with them. The mouse doesn't seem like anything special (except being ambidextrous) and I kinda wish there were more programmable buttons like on the G600 MMO gaming mouse. ... Though likely if I am editing I will be using the MX Master and program hotkeys to keyboard and midi controller... So I guess it's there for when/if I need to game with precision.

The keyboard requires TWO USB ports!? Crazy. I guess that must be all the RGB lighting is has to power. I'm sure I can use a hub if needed, but all the more reason to get a motherboard with additional USB ports. Seems super plastic though and even though it has the cherry switches they don't feel as expensive as they are... But I haven't used it in action or become accustomed to it, so maybe I will like it after some time using it. ... the 2 USB plugs is weirding me out though. ... and I hate cables and wires.

I'm still in a holding pattern to buy everything else... it seems like prices are dropping, so the longer I wait the better off I may be. I want to get started with the build, but if the TIs are coming relatively soon I may just wait to scoop it all at once.

I'll check back in before I make the final purchases once I hear the 1080TIs are available unless something else comes up first.

Thanks!!

 

[Chugalug_]

It doesn't actually need two USB ports to run, the second USB port is for a USB passthrough which goes through the side of the keyboard for convenient access.
You can tuck it in, you don't need to use it if you don't want to.
Mechanical boards take anywhere from 2 weeks to a month to get used to, coming from a membrane board.
Very strange to get used to, and you won't adjust right away, but after you make the switch you won't want to go back when comparing the two.

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Ha! I forgot about the USB on the side. Sweet. So just plug wired mouse or Wireless Mouse dongle into that port on the side of the keyboard and plug both ends into ports and I won't have to go behind to change mice.

My buddy said the same thing about getting used to it... I used to use mechanical keyboards way back in the day, but I've pretty much almost exclusively been on laptops for the past decade.

 

[Chugalug_]

That's fine, let me know if you have any other questions and i'll be happy to help.
Also tell me when you're buying the PC when aftermarket cards release so I can update the list.

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Will do. Thanks!

 

[ScrappeyDP]

It seems like Ryzen is the way to go for streaming encoding.
https://youtu.be/jludqTnPpnU

How we looking on the 1080TIs?

I made my deposit for next year's Blackhawks season tickets today, so i am pretty much ready to pull the trigger and buy everything for the build... Or maybe buy everything with another GPU so i can get started and swap the TI in once quality cards are available.

Do you have any changes or part swaps? Definitely going with the better Motherboard for ports.
I may even install a 2nd SSD just for using as cache for Video editing.

 

[lakimens]

Copied this from Chugalug_ and changed it a bit.
X370 and D14 for better overclocking.
1080, because 1080Ti was too expensive to fit the 2k, unless the SSD was cut in half.
This CPU overclocks good, so you'd want to overclock it.


I also didn't read the thread, so, excuse me if someone already said this.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor ($498.35 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($65.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard ($148.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($233.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card ($504.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.39 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1928.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-07 14:35 EDT-0400

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Is the bump to the 1800X worth the extra $100?

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Also, I don't know if you copied the latest build. Or if you copied the original build before we updated it.
The latest build we were going w was on page 2.

I had upgraded to X motherboard for SLI support and extra USB type A ports.

 

[lakimens]

I copied the original on Page 1.
1700X is also fine, you can overclock it to match the 1800X anyway.
The 1800X should overclock to 4.5Ghz. That's why I put it.

 

[Chugalug_]

No the bump to the 1800X is not worth the cost, both will OC quite well, and a couple hundred MHz isn't worth it imo.
Are you ready to buy now? 😛
What's your budget again?

 

[ScrappeyDP]

What are your thoughts on going with G Skill Flare RAM instead of what was listed?

https://youtu.be/G80uG3acg44

The final build is listed below, but I am going to go with a X370 motherboard instead. And a different 1080TI GPU

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor ($396.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock AB350 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($214.97 @ Jet)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($177.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Founders Edition Video Card ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($66.89 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I REV 4.2 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: LG 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($341.99 @ Amazon)
Other: Rosewill RDCR-11004 - Data Hub for 5.25" Drive Bays - Two USB 3.0 ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2275.26

 

[Chugalug_]

Prices have changed, this is what you're looking at now.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor ($386.48 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($159.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($219.97 @ Jet)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($166.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card ($699.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout Edition w/ Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($100.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: BitFenix Whisper M 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($76.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I REV 4.2 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: LG 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($414.90 @ Amazon)
Other: Rosewill RDCR-11004 - Data Hub for 5.25" Drive Bays - Two USB 3.0 ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2410.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-09 21:17 EDT-0400

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Sweet! I thought you had gone MIA.


It looks like the price change is mostly the monitor/display.

What do you think about going with different RAM? Is there actually a G Skill Flare series DDR4-3200? Do you think it will have an impact?
https://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-announces-flare-x-series-and-fortis-series-ddr4-memory-for-amd-ryzen


And do you think I should go ahead and purchase everything now? OR wait for more models of 1080TIs to drop?

 

[Chugalug_]

Perfectly fine to use other RAM, but the Flare kits are optimized for Ryzen and will probably be more stable, but high frequency kits aren't available yet, not much point. 😛

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Ok. Yeah I did see a 16GB 2x8GB kit on newegg at DDR4-3200, but could not find 32 or 64GB kits.

Should I go ahead an purchase everything now? Do you think better 1080TI options are yet to come?



Also, for those who thought building a 4K editing rig for this $2,000-2400 budget was not possible, you may want to check out Dom's video where he built a 4K editing rig for half of the budget: $1,000. It's definitely doable.

 

[Chugalug_]

Nah, the EVGA cards are fantastic, and their warranty and support is next to none, after my first EVGA card this generation I can't go back to any other brand simply due to how helpful and considerate of their customers they are.
At that price additionally, you're unlikely to find a card that'll compete with the SC.

 

[Chugalug_]

Btw don't get it from B&H, Newegg have it in stock for the same price.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487336&cm_re=GTX_1080_ti-_-14-487-336-_-Product

 

[ScrappeyDP]

So go ahead and buy everything now?

 

[Chugalug_]

Yep, let me know how it goes and if you need any other help, i'll be more than happy to give you a hand.

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Awesome. Your the best. Thanks!

 

[ScrappeyDP]

I am doing my ordering today because I thought there might have been an Easter sale.

I'm having some issues with some parts being out of stock, but I am just trying to switch to other vendors. I am buying nothing from PC Outlet because I can get the same parts thru Amazon Prime and SuperBiiz for less than those parts are at PC Outlet with their shipping costs.

I decided to get a 650W Powersupply instead of 550. Same supply, just 650 instead of 550. That won't cause any issues will it? https://www.superbiiz.com/desc.php?name=PS-BWG650M

I am als0 buying this Capture Card https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1251516-REG/elgato_systems_10025025_game_capture_hd60_pro.html

Thanks for your help!!

 

[ScrappeyDP]

None of the 1080TIs are in stock. Both at Amazon or at B&H.

 

[ScrappeyDP]

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LG 27UD58-B 27IN Ultra HD 4K ips Freesync Gaming Monitor
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ASUS Prime X370-Pro AMD Ryzen AM4 DDR4 DP HDMI M.2 USB 3.1 ATX X370 Motherboard with AURA Sync RGB Lighting
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