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$2,000 Capturing and Editing build: 1800X vs 7700K vs 6850K

I'm looking to spend around $2K on building a PC that will mostly be used for Capturing, Streaming, Content creation and Editing video. I'm at a loss for which parts to choose.

I'm not sure which CPU to choose now that AMD has the 1800X. And I do plan on running a GPU (either 1080 or 1080TI or dual GPUs if that is worth it), but I am not sure which choice is best. Will most of the load be handed to the GPU so I'm better off spending more budget on the GPU? And will losing PCI lanes cause me problems in the long run? And do I worry about onboard graphics on the CPU?

I need to put at least 1 capture card in the rig. I honestly don't care about the case aesthetic. I would like to have more than 1 capture card, but if that doesn't fit into the build cost, I can add one later. I would prefer PCI capture card. But I also need multiple USB 3.0 ports, an SD card reader. I would like to have USB C as well.

And I would want to run as much RAM as possible. Standard SSD over M.2 because it doesn't seem like performance/$ is worth it yet.

Does anyone have some suggestions?
 
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No there aren't.
Don't get 4.2, stick with the 4.0 card.
Nothing supports bluetooth 5.0 atm, and there's no possible way any card on the market will last 'a long time', new tech is always coming out, meaning you're always going to get behind the curve eventually. Get this for now then grab a 5.0 bluetooth card when they release probably in late Q3-Q4 this year.
 
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Well it came from the PCPP list. OutletPC.

I didn't want to be without one and wasn't sure when you would get back to me... And I wanted to get the shipment on its way. ... And that was your original choice for the build... I just paid a low inventory tax to get it

 
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I didn't know you were going to respond so quick.

I could cancel my order still, but at this point unless it's going to cause a problem I'll just suck it up so I can be done w purchasing shit until I am fully built and decide to upgrade or add something down the road.

I want to get this bitch built so I can use it because I’m just moving slower and slower on projects.
 
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I just got back home from the Recording Studio in Chicago and the GTX 1080TI was on my porch.
The Wireless card also came today.

So everything for the build is now here.
Still waiting on the monitor to arrive, but I should be able to start the build tomorrow or during the week!!
 
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I do have a couple questions about the wireless card..

So the card itself it supposed to be PCIE right? So then the other cable that comes with it is going to be used for power then? Or what is hat cable for?

Also, the card itself has a USB port right on the PCB board, but it's weird because it face the complete opposite direction as the antenna.. so like if it were inserted into the slot, the antenna would be facing out the back of the case, but that USB port would be facing inward in the care.. so what is that for, because obviously you can only access it from the inside of the case...

... I know I have a lot of manuals to read, and that will probably be answered in the manual, but I was planning on shooting some pictures and video before I actually open/unbox everything so I haven't had a chance to read anything yet...



... My initial thoughts for this are to shoot everything as an entire set/kit/build, then shoot the parts individually, then start on the build.

When I start I plan to go in this order... Maybe this is wrong?

-Take the Case apart/Side panels off.
-Insert PowerSupply
-Install chip in the motherboard outside of the case
-Install the M.2 drive?
-install the RAM
-Install the CPU cooler onto the motherboard
-Install the standoffs in the case?
-Install I/O shield
-Install the Mobo in the case
-Install the Card reader in 1 of the front drive bays
-Install the GPU (PCIE)
-Install the Wireless Card (PCIE)
-Install the Capture Card (PCIE)
-Install the Mechanical Hard Drive
-Install the secondary SSD 2.5" [cache drive]

-Install other fans and lighting? (I bought some Aura compatible lighting basically only to use to make a "sizzle reel" with once the build is complete)

*Do you have any suggestions on fan placement? Should I leave them where they are?
*Do you have any suggestions on which drive bays I should remove or keep in? (Are you familiar with the case and have built in one? or no?)
 
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There shouldn't be any power connector for it or cable of any sort.
Install CPU, install RAM, install M.2 drive, install cooler, install standoffs, install IO shield then put the mobo in.
Make sure the CPU cooler is plugged into the correct CPU_FAN header and that it is correctly positioned.
Install the RAM in slots 2 & 4 taking care to line up the bottom connectors correctly.
Then install all the PCIE devices and sata drives with the card reader.
Fans connect to SYS_FAN headers.
 
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So... I have started the build. I am moving really slow.

I have the Motherboard installed and I'm about to connect the SATA drives. (M.2 is already installed)

Do I use 1 cable from the Motherboard and 1 cable from the Power Supply for each drive? I am confused on the cabling.

Similarly, I am confused about the cabling on the front I/O. ... It has cables run to the Mobo area that look like they connect to the Mobo. I think I know where all those cables go: USB 3.0 header, USB 2.0 header, HD Audio header, LED light, etc...
But there is also some cables on the back and I can't figure out what those connect to. Are those for power? They do to the Power supply? 1 cable looks almost like a SATA connector, but I don't get what it would connect to....

And then there is the Card Reader that is supposed to go in the Optical Drive bay.... It has USB 3.0 ports on the card reader, but the Motherboard seems like it only has 1 spot for USB 3.0 to connect to. So if that's taken up by the front panel I/O then how do I connect the Card reader also? I'm confused....

I'm super confused about how the power supply connects to the other parts...

Sorry!
 
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Cables on the back?
Take photos.
For the SATA drives, there should be one cable which has both straight variants and 90 degree variants to account for horizontal and vertical mounts. They can be found in your motherboard's box.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/c7-bUkwWZtp_C0eDusLaAcnMGX6gbeFoHp6mijYr_qkzMxDlDfooFusRS4-yN7xS-557EkYFU9qGVdQGskZvX33iGXD5gW39m2DQMYx3LKiVw_wq7akJAtNHr-nvsyqE9g
This is called a SATA data cable, and connects the drive to the motherboard directly.
SATA connectors can be found on the right side of the motherboard, it's a row of thin black connector ports.

The other one connects from the drive to the power supply, and is a SATA power cable.
For front panel connectors refer to your motherboard's manual, they should be color coded.

If you're really struggling, you can take it into your local microcenter or Frys to get some advice on how to finish up your build, they should give you advice free of charge, although they will probably try to push a construction package on you. 😛

Your card reader should only have one labelled 'USB' connector to the motherboard, it can support multiple USB devices just fine through the one connection.
You generally put the card reader in by sliding it in through th front, threading the cable through, or internally, pushing it forward.
All cases are different, and I can't seem to recall which way it goes in with the R5.

In regards to the USB connector, the front IO one is different, for 5.25" devices with USB connections use the 2.0 connector in the middle bottom area of the board, it'll be fine.

With your PSU cables, it should come with various connectors.
For the graphics card I believe you'll need an 8 pin and a 6 pin connector, one end plugs into the PSU.(Should be a row of connections on the unit itself labelled PCIE devices or just PCIE) connect the PSU end to those, and the other end threaded round into the GPU, make sure the orientation of the cable is correct.
Your unit may not have just a straight 8 pin, but rather a 6+2 pin connector, which is pretty much a 6 pin cable that has another 2 pin column hanging off the side which you have to slide in to the main connector to get an 8 pin. Sounds confusing, but if you need any clarification let me know.

Your motherboard has a big 24 pin connector, which is the long fat one, you can't miss it.
One end goes into the PSU, one end goes into the huge long power connector on the right side of the motherboard.
If you plan to do more OCing beyond normal, there's an additional 8 pin connector up the top left side of the motherboard for the CPU which you'll want to connect as well.
Let me know if I missed anything. :)



 
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That definitely helps.

But yeah, I have pictures. It's taking me so long because I am moving really slow shooting and transferring video.

I put together some new photos that hopefully we can better reference for the question I have. The images are Labeled with Numbers in the upper Left corner for reference.

https://goo.gl/photos/oTUMe7f2iWujtQjC6


SATA drives:
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(Image 3) shows the PSU SATA connection input. So the SATA power cable (Image 4 RED) - the one that came with the PSU - should go to that and the other end to the SSD/HDD?


FRONT PANEL I/O
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(Image 5) shows the front panel I/O connectors that are hanging inside the case. Those connect directly to the Motherboard right?
So then (Image 6 and Image 7) you can see there are cables on the backside of the main compartment. One is a larger flatter cable. I that for SATA Power? or what is that for?
And what are the other 3 for? They are small and only have 2 pins on them, but don't look large enough to be molex style connectors... So where do those smaller ones connect to? Are those for power for the front I/O?


CARD READER USB 3.0 CONNECTOR?
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(Image 8) Shows the MB layout. and the contents where you can see there is only 1 USB 3.0 input on the motherboard
(Image 9 & Image 10) Show the MB and that single USB 3.0 connector
(Image 17) Shows the details
(Image 11 & 12) show the Card Reader and the Manual. So on Image 12 do the power connectors go directly to the PSU?
(Image 13) shows the Card Reader USB 3.0 & the Front Panel USB 3.0 cables. And the single input on the MB. So how do I connect the ports? I know you said USB 2.0, but that cable won't plug to a 2.0 header... Or does that default back to USB 2.0 if the 3.0 is not connected? Or how should I connect both the front and the card reader?


AND THEN WHAT?
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So ok now after I install the PCIE devices (I still haven't figured out which specific spots to plug all those devices into yet), then I connect the SATA drives and their corresponding power?

So then the Case manual says connect fans, which you can see I have already done I think (Image 9). Then it says nothing further...
But I obviously need to connect the PSU to the MB... and other cables? ..
So (Image 15) you can see the SATA configuration. So like we discussed previously the M.2 drive will take up 1st SATA connector, so I should plug the SSD into the 2nd SATA port & plug the 3.5" Mechanical HDD into the 3rd SATA port.. correct?

(Image 16) USB 2.0 connectors x2. So I plug the front panel's cable into the left connector & plug the card readers USB 2.0 cable into the right connector. Is that right?

(Image 17) As previously mentioned USB 3.0 connector - so how do I connect both or which to connect there

(Image 18) I have nothing connected here. The MB should have its own 3.1 ports on the back I/O so I likely don't use this?

So then now there is Power still to connect. But how many connections do I need to make from the cables in the PSU box?

(Image 19) This is the PSU "MotherBoard" connector right? Then on the other side should I connect to both of those on the MB?

(Image 20) Are all of these included? Do I need to connect all of these? Is this referring to the Front Panel I/O cables that are included in the bundle in (Image 5)?

(Image 21) Do I have this? Do I need to worry about this?

(Image 21) M.2 SSD installed prior to inserting the MB in the case. Do I need to worry about the Serial connector? Or that is not going to be used?

Ok so now that all of that is completed Then?...

Do I need to connect anything else to the PSU?

So then (I am going to add some RGB at a later time just for the video)

Then hang the side panels back on the case...
Plug in Peripherals and power cable
Boot? Or should I first boot into the BIOS? Can I connect to the internet without an OS to update the BIOS? ... Do I first boot directly into my USB stick to install the OS immediately upon first boot?

Then Matching the RAM speed? Change that in the BIOS setup?

Then Overclocking? Should I attempt this? If so how should I do so?

Updating the UEFI/BIOS to the latest and greatest?

Installing drivers for the specific devices I have installed in this build? Do I need to go and manually download and install for each device? Will Windows 10 auto install the latest and up to date drivers?
If I need to download drivers I should connect thru a network cable to download the networking drivers and then I will be able to connect Wifi from there right?

I think once I get to this point where all the drivers and the system is installed and operating then I should be good? 🙂

Sorry for the novel!!

Thank you very much for your assistance. I prefer not to go to a box store if I can avoid that.
 
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For the USB 3.0 single header issue I may have found a solution.

Could I use this to split the MB header into 2 connectors? Or would that not allow all 4 to connect the the MB header?
https://www.moddiy.com/products/20%252dPin-USB-3.0-Internal-Header-Y-Splitter-Cable-(12cm).html?gclid=Cj0KEQjwgODIBRCEqfv60eq65ogBEiQA0ZC5-aOgMdJxVIpz5XiuAmYGravsJEp9ChE0l8a71sEkI5UaAhd68P8HAQ

OR

I could use this PCIE card which has a header on it and run the cable to there? But do I have enough PCIE slots available?
https://www.amazon.com/ORICO-PVU3-2O2I-Express-Internal-Connector/dp/B008717L0G


AND NOW ANOTHER ISSUE

So now I think I may have a similar issue with the USB2.0 connectors. So I have 2x connectors on the MB. And I have 1 from the front panel and then 1 from the Card Reader. But Now I just realized that the Networking card even though it plugs into the PCIE slot, it also says in the install instructions that it needs to plug into the USB 2.0 header also with the included cable... But that means I need 3 USB 2.0 headers and this MB only has 2 connectors right? So what do I do?

Thanks!
 
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Re-read what I said. :)
Use the front panel connector in the USB 3 connector, and the other two devices on each of the two remaining USB 2.0 headers.
You have a total of 3 connectors correct? Works out perfectly.

The connectors marked VGA mean Video Card pretty much, although it's pretty poor labelling tbh. 😛
Connect one end of the 6 pin and 8 pin to the PSU, and the other to the card, simple.
The CPU 4+4 power connector (similar to 6+2, but in two pairs of 4) goes to the top right corner as previously mentioned, and connects to the CPU connector of the PSU.
SATA power connects to the SATA ports, RAM speed can be changed easily in the BIOS.
OCing can be done easily, find a few guides online, or I can tell you a preset OC setting you can apply relatively safely, you'd just need to run some benchmarks after to make sure it's stable.
Ignore BIOS initially, just run Windows setup and get all your drivers and software installed, you can fiddle with it later.
Windows should detect the main stuff, but just to be sure go to the motherboard product page and get the drivers from there, then do GeForce Experience.
That's all you need to do. :)
Drivers are pretty small generally, but I recommend to connect to ethernet when doing all this just for faster speeds getting it all set up, and not having to worry about the wireless adapter yet.
 
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No. I have a lot more than 3 cables. I have 1 front panel USB 3.0 cable, AND a front panel USB 2.0 cable. (+Audio, etc.). I also have a Card Reader 3.0 cable, AND a card reader USB 2.0 cable.
Each cable feeds at least 2 ports.
So there are 2x USB 2.0 ports on the front panel. There are ALSO 2x USB 3.0 ports on the Front panel.
The Card reader has 4x USB 2.0 ports and 2x USB 3.0 ports.

There are 2x USB 2.0 cables front & card reader which fill the USB 2.0 headers on the MB.
There is only 1x USB 3.0 header and there are 2x USB 3.0 cables (1 front panel and 1 card reader) left to plug in to the single 3.0 Port.

But then ALSO there is a USB 2.0 cable used on the network card, so reality is I need 3 USB 2.0 headers minimum.

I think I have solved these issues by purchasing a PCIE card with an additional 3.0 header on it. And a USB 2.0 header hub from NZXT that expands a single USB 2.0 header into 3 headers.



So I need to install specific drivers for the motherboard itself? I was more speaking about the cards I had installed for drivers, but I guess I should go to the sites for each part and download the drivers from there? Start with the MB drivers then do networking then GPU then Capture Card, then PCIE USB 3.0 expansion card?

IF you can give me an OC setting to start from, I will do some more research once I actually get the system booted and can dedicate some time to that. OCing isn't a priority until I get the system operating I guess really. But yeah if you have a recommended setting and benchmarks for me to run I'll take any advice I can get.

I will go direct wired to the internet for the initial setup. I have ports on my router and my switch so that shouldn't be a problem as long as that hard wired port on the MB doesn't require a driver itself. Which I can't imagine it would. ... That's typically how I setup a system in the past, hard wired until I can get the drivers installed, unless I have the specific drivers on another disk to install from that.

... I'm still confused about Image 20 and 21.


But I definitely appreciate your response!!
 
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Sounds good on the header front. :)
Go direct to the pages for each product and run from the exe, it's that simple.
Run through some general benchmarks like 3DMark (There's a free version I believe, but I got a copy of sale), Unigine Heaven and Furmark. I'd say Prime 95 or AIDA64, but some of those versions have been known to cause some damage, and I wouldn't risk it.

In regards to those last few images, they're the front IO and motherboard connections which monitor temps, allow it to produce noises if the board is having issues etc.
They should be color coded, and there should be a guide in the manual to sort you out there.
Is there anything else you're confused about?
The USB headers didn't necessarily all need to be plugged in btw, you'd just have some USB ports not usable, but yeah, that's fine.
 
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I could leave them dead, but that seems like a waste if I have the ability to adapt for a reasonable price and have enough power and pcie spots free.

So if that's the front I/O connectors then I think I am good. I wasn't sure if that beeping sound was some other part needed. I always thought the motherboard itself had the speaker/beeper on it. And I wasn't sure if I even had those things with this build. But yeah I will follow what's labeled to plug everything into the MB.

My bigger questions I guess have to do with the power cables and where to run all those. And then I guess once I know where everything plugs I can try to unplug everything and run better lines with the cables and ties them all together as managed as possible.

I'm also slightly unsure about which PCIE slot to insert the GPU card in for the best thermal as well as space. I haven't opened the box yet so I guess once I see it maybe I will know better.
So then when I plug in the GPU to the monitor and boot the computer it will automatically have the GPU driver installed to display? Or how does that work since the CPU itself has no graphics? If I plug into Motherboard I don't get an image coming off the Motherboard ports directly right? But how does the GPU display to the monitor if it hasn't booted to the OS to get to the network to install the drivers? .. I'm going to run DP out to DP in on the monitor, and then run HDMI or UBStoVGA for my other monitors. But I don't know how that all works. I was just planning on plugging it all in and firing the computer up and hoping I had something on the display...

But yeah, I do have the ability to fill every one of those USB ports, but I likely will never ever have more that 5 or 6 devices plugged in at any 1 time.

 
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Insert the GPU into the first PCIE slot, it should be marked x16 and be at the top.
The CPU doesn't have integrated graphics, The display needs to be connected to the video card's output connection, not the motherboard. Use displayport.
It boots by running the factory installed BIOS it already has, the updated one is just slightly improved and optimized since release.
Look up a guide for setting up a multi-monitor array.

If you don't know where to plug everything look for a Paul's Hardware or JayzTwoCents build guide.
Paul's guides take you through a step by step process of doing every little thing, very helpful for starters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQXFkzZ1Ac

He also does live builds if you want a longer thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4MTvj3zIZw
 
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I'm fine with setting up multiple monitors. I'm usually pretty good with software, it's just the hardware and it's corresponding firmware/software that I am not as experienced with.

Thanks for your help. I think I may have it from here, but I'll probably end up posting again.

Yeah, I am familiar with Paul, Jay, Kyle, Linus, Jerry (Barnucles), NCIX, etc... But watching someone and doing it yourself are very different things. 🙂 And sometimes specifics and verifying that what I think I'm doing correctly is indeed correct is what I need to have confidence in what I am doing.

Sorry for all the questions. You have been an extremely huge help.
 
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You might be interested to see that just yesterday (or the day before) Jay uploaded a 30 minute "how to build a Ryzen gaming PC" video. He doesn't focus on component selection at all, it's straight up how to physically put the machine together, update the BIOS and kick off the OS install.

Sounds like you've more or less got it sorted, but that guide might be helpful if there are little things you're still wondering about.

It's here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHAelSOF6f0&t=266s
 
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