$2K editing CPU?

[ScrappeyDP]

$2,000 Capturing and Editing build: 1800X vs 7700K vs 6850K

I'm looking to spend around $2K on building a PC that will mostly be used for Capturing, Streaming, Content creation and Editing video. I'm at a loss for which parts to choose.

I'm not sure which CPU to choose now that AMD has the 1800X. And I do plan on running a GPU (either 1080 or 1080TI or dual GPUs if that is worth it), but I am not sure which choice is best. Will most of the load be handed to the GPU so I'm better off spending more budget on the GPU? And will losing PCI lanes cause me problems in the long run? And do I worry about onboard graphics on the CPU?

I need to put at least 1 capture card in the rig. I honestly don't care about the case aesthetic. I would like to have more than 1 capture card, but if that doesn't fit into the build cost, I can add one later. I would prefer PCI capture card. But I also need multiple USB 3.0 ports, an SD card reader. I would like to have USB C as well.

And I would want to run as much RAM as possible. Standard SSD over M.2 because it doesn't seem like performance/$ is worth it yet.

Does anyone have some suggestions?

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Awesome. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Chugalug_]

I'm fine with setting up multiple monitors. I'm usually pretty good with software, it's just the hardware and it's corresponding firmware/software that I am not as experienced with.

Thanks for your help. I think I may have it from here, but I'll probably end up posting again.

Yeah, I am familiar with Paul, Jay, Kyle, Linus, Jerry (Barnucles), NCIX, etc... But watching someone and doing it yourself are very different things. 🙂 And sometimes specifics and verifying that what I think I'm doing correctly is indeed correct is what I need to have confidence in what I am doing.

Sorry for all the questions. You have been an extremely huge help.

No problem at all, if there's anything you're not sure about just shoot me a post.

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Just an update to the cables.

(Image 6 and 7) I figured out that these are a SATA Power cable and fan connectors. I think it's recommended that the case fans be connected to those cables rather than directly to the motherboard headers because they are controlled by the switch inside the front panel.

There are 3 so I can connect the 2 case fans to there, still have 1 free and also have 2 headers on the motherboard free so I can add fans down the line without much hassle.

I'm still moving super slow on getting everything installed, just busy with other things. But I think I have the cabling and installation of everything understood now.

 

[Chugalug_]

Yep sounds good.
If you get any PWM fans later down the line however you'll want a 4 pin fan splitter, or to use the motherboard headers directly, as the fourth prong is what allows them to be manually controlled.

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Yeah. I'm just using the back connectors for the case fans so I can adjust them from the front panel.

I actually bought an Aura compatible RGB fan that is on back order. I'm thinking of replacing the fan on the cooler with it or maybe adding it on the top of back. I think that one would go to the header, unless it has 2 connectors with 1 for the RGB and 1 for the fan. not sure how that all works yet. I won't have it for a bit thought so I'm not worried about more fans for a while.

 

[Chugalug_]

DO NOT replace the cooler fan, they're proprietary generally, and adding different ones will impact airflow, can interfere with size clearance and design, and if you replace them your warranty will be void.
Leave it at the stock setup.
Get the system up and running, all setup first before worrying about anything else.
How's that coming along btw?

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Yeah that it what I am doing. That other can won't be here until they restock and ship it.

I only had time to work on a little bit yesterday and it's just taking long because of the 3 angles of of camera shots.

I ran a bunch of the cabling trying to get that organized and certain headers plugged prior to installing the PCIE cards because after installing the Graphics Card which takes up 2 slots I am going to end up using every other PCIE slots with 1x4 cards. So I needed to figure out the best configuration for those cards to keep airflow to the card.
I ended up deciding to put the largest other card on the bottom (the capture card) and put the other 2 cards above that, but one card is going to be right next to one of the graphics card fans.

I still have to get those card installed and the front card reader and then plug the rest of the power in, but I think I should be good now that I figured out exactly where everything should go and how to cable manage it all.

I'm just trying to do it all the right way and clean the first time so that I can fire it up to ensure it works and then go straight to shooting a sizzle reel for it. and then get to editing the backlog of videos I have... ... while also holding down my everyday job and my other projects 🙂

But I am much more confident at this point. And I know future builds will go much smoother.

 

[ScrappeyDP]

My life sucks. I just got to the point where I turn on the system and I am getting a "USB Device Overcurrent Status Detected" message at the boot screen... Any ideas what that could be? I have been pulling USB cables but still the same message..

 

[Chugalug_]

Ensure both motherboard power connectors are securely plugged in, and remove all USB header connectors.
Make sure it boots properly like this, and then gradually go through with each device individually to root out any potential issues with any specific device.

 

[ScrappeyDP]

That's what I was trying.

But it wouldn't even boot with all of them disconnected. I pulled all of the USB 2.0 and 3.0 headers.

 

[Chugalug_]

Are you able to access BIOS or does it go straight to that screen?

 

[ScrappeyDP]

SOLVED!!! https://goo.gl/photos/oeBqWERb6dxocfV78

Dude I was literally having nightmares about cables last night/this morning. Non-Stop tossing and turning, waking up every 15 minutes... No joke..


So I searched for answers this morning, still all pissed off at myself, and after finding all of the "disconnect USB front panel" style posts, I finally came across another one where someone mentioned that it could ALSO be 2 other issues:
"Two main sources of short-circuits when you install inside a case:
- that metal I/O panel at the rear of the case. It has "Tabs" which often slide INside the USB connectors instead of outside, just touching the metal housings of the USB connects.

- the metal motherboard stand off's. Count the # in the case and the # of holes in the motherboard (answer is usually 8 or 9) make sure they all align. Make sure the heads of the screws you use are small so they won't overlap traces on the motherboard." http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2001529/asus-mobo-usb-current-status-detected.html

SO, my solution was going to be to take the MOBO out of the case and plug stuff in to see if it booted that way. So angry as I was about having to disconnect everything and pull all the wires I had tried to cable manage as I installed all the way back out of the case so I could test without a case, I got to unscrewing the MOBO.

I knew for damn sure I did not drop a screw or have anything like that in the case because I was damn careful about that during the build. But after I unscrewed the MOBO from its standoffs and took the MOBO out I noticed a weird black standoff that looked like it was built into the case (I never installed it) but it didn't have a spot for a screw either. (I think it was for M boards). So before I did anything else I took out some pliers to see if it would move and sure enough that thing came unscrewed. I hoped that was touching some contacts on the back of the board so I then, rather then pulling the cables and testing outside the case, put the MOBO back in the case, screwed it down, connected the Graphics card and then the power to the MOBO. Then plugged in video and power and fired it on, and now it is booting into the BIOS.

So I'm going to get to re-installing all the other PCIE and USB connections and hope that it continues to boot to BIOS while everything is installed. Hopefully that standoff was the short-circuit and causing the over current detection!!!

I attached some pictures both of the stand off culprit and the BIOS booting.

https://goo.gl/photos/oeBqWERb6dxocfV78


Thanks again!!

 

[Chugalug_]

Oh wow!
Cheeky ah heck, never seen that one before.
Glad to know you got it fixed.

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Let's not go so far as to say "fixed" yet... but hopefully that solves it for good!

Yeah... Weird that they would have that thing installed in the case as it ships. Clearly that should only be installed in the case if you're using that type of MOBO. Otherwise if they were going to have it in the case they should have made note of it in the manual. But hopefully this helps someone else in the future. If they can find this buried all the way this far in.

Let's hope there are no more issues. I'll post when I either get everything up and running and get some videos edited, OR if I run into another issue

 

[Chugalug_]

Sounds good!

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Damn! I had the same issue again once I plugged everything back in... I narrowed it down though. It it the expansion PCIE card I bought to give me another USB 3.0 header. I eventually pulled it from the PCIE slot and things booted fine. Then installed and connected everything else and it's working. So I am returning that and going to try 2 other ones to see if either of them work and ship back the one I don't want if they both work. ... One step forward two steps back..


Now onto installing the OS

 

[Chugalug_]

Thought you already did that. 😛
Oh well, keep it that way till it's all set up and running, just more stress to add.

 

[ScrappeyDP]

I had pulled all of the USB headers, but I didn't physically remove the PCIE cards from the slots until I was going to remove the Mobo from the case... which was when I saw that standoff and thought that was the issue.. so then when I put the mobo back in the case to test I had not plugged anything else into the PCIE slots except Graphics Card.
So now I don't know if it was that stand off or both that and the card. But the card was definitely the issue... It being plugged in at least.

I ordered 2 additional cards and a USB 3.0 To USB 2.0 header adapter cable, so worst case I plug it in thru the 2.0 hug I have since I have 1 more USB 2.0 header on the hub.

I am currently doing installs of drivers, etc. So far so good. The network card is even working without installing any drivers... but I am still plugged in thru the ethernet cable and haven't tested Wifi or Bluetooth yet.

Is there an order I should try to install the drivers in?

I just downloaded the support download from EVGA website to update the card. Then I was going to install GEForce Experience from the NVidia site...

Then going to see what else I need to download and install...

Then install Keyboard and Mice software
Then install apps/programs

 

[Chugalug_]

If there's an order you should go motherboard first followed by GPU via GeForce Experience, followed by peripherals and programs.

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Alright cool. I am on that path now. Just finished installing the keyboard and mouse software.

I think I am good now. ... except none of the USB port on the card reader work... What's odd is that the card readed does read cards, but no USB ports work. The 3.0 ports are not connected, but even the 4 2.0 ports do not function. Maybe they need the 3.0 header to be connected in order to work? I don't know... but as long as it's reading cards, that was its purpose anyways.

Thanks for your help!!

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Just to update you... I have been moving slow on getting the computer build and sizzle reel edited. Honestly, I was having issues with some of the USB 3.0 PCIE expansion cards I bought for the card reader to plug into. Oddly, the card reader does work for reading cards, which is its intended purpose anyway. I just now got a power adapter to try the last card I am going to give a shot before giving up and just leaving it plugged in as 2.0 instead of 3.0 w an adapter because i did get it working plugged into a 2.0 header w a converter cable.

Anyway, I finally got around to switching to it for a quick project in Adobe Premiere. I went to render everything and it is running awesome! As well asnI could have hoped for.

I am editing and scrubbing through 4K footage without issue. Playback is smooth.

And MOST IMPORTANTLY, I am rendering at basically a 1:1 ratio. So for every minute of footage it basically takes a minute to render. Granted this was a really light without much graphics stressing, but I am super happy .

Thanks for all your help again! Made my life better.

 

[Chugalug_]

Fantastic, no worries!

 

[ScrappeyDP]

Hello. It's me again.

Sorry to bother you... But I am having Rendering issues. I think it may be related to CPU temps? It seems like my system is overheating... I will use Adobe Media Encoder top begin a Render and then the entire system will crash near the end of the render. I was able to reproduce this when rendering in Premiere Pro also.

Whenever I start a Render the CPU temp jumps up to the 80s according to AMD Ryzen Master. See Screeenshot.

I don't really have an overclock or anything changed I don't think... I have optimized for Gaming/Content Creation in BIOS, but haven't adjusted more than that. I did update to the latest BIOS, but I was having this same issue before.

Is it possible my Cooler is not seated correctly?

I'm at the point now where I have opened the side of my case and have a Fan on high pushing air into the case. But I'm sitting at 89.99 Cs!

https://goo.gl/photos/RUy58YBTLW2EHdBRA

 

[ScrappeyDP]

https://goo.gl/photos/RUy58YBTLW2EHdBRA

P.S I still have the video of the build coming. I am just working on other projects currently and still want to add some RGB lighting and fans, which I just haven't had the time to do. I have everything, just haven't added it in or shot the sizzle part yet ;-)

 

[Chugalug_]

Haha no worries! A few snaps is fine, a video isn't necessary. 😛
80c is a bit toasty, but it's a H7, so that's fine, as it's under rendering load, meaning high temps are to be expected
Not to worry, as long as it's not above 85c, you're good.