2x 650ti Boost in SLI or 2x HD7870 in XFire?

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so guys as my question says i need help in this.

last friday i got a MSI R7870 it came with Hitman:Absolution and im having second thoughts about it, im thinking of returning it and get a Asus 650ti Boost.

Can you please help me clear this out?

And in the future i will Xfire or SLI.

Which is the better?

EDIT: my Board is an Asrock Z77 Pro4, i know it cant SLI but i might get a board that can.
 
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they won't refund you the money for the game. once you buy a card with the game attached (for either AMD or Nvidia) you'll have the price of the game deducted from any returns you make.

Overclocked, the HD 7870 is about 30%-40% better then the best performance you'll ever get out of an overclocked 650ti Boost.

Just to make sure, this is a serious question right? You want to return the card because you don't like the game? Screw the game. That 7870 will over power the 650ti boost in every scenario.

Edit: Aslo CF 7870 will again perform better than 650 ti Bst SLI.
 
GTX 650 Ti Boosts in SLI is the much better option, mainly because SLI is superior to Crossfire. This has been made apparent in several recent reviews where they exposed Crossfire's severe frame latency problems and a tendency for the drivers to lack proper game support. 7870's are faster on paper, but according to the reviews, they stutter and don't deliver a smooth gaming experience.

On the other hand, SLI and specifically GTX 650 Ti Boosts in SLI have been praised as having none of the dual GPU issues associated with Crossfire, while delivering top-end performance, faster than a 7970 or GTX 680, for a fraction of the cost.

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"After running the GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost SLI through our test suite, I have to admit that I'm impressed. The duo delivered performance easily matching and often exceeding much more expensive single-card options such as the GeForce GTX 680 and Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, and they don't cost as much. SLI multi-GPU scaling works well with all of our titles except for F1 2012. Scaling by going from one to two GTX 650 Ti Boost cards is around 70%, even with F1 2012 taken into account. Unlike AMD, NVIDIA does a good job of maintaining its SLI profiles, so you should be able to play new games without a long wait for multi-GPU support. However, the risk that a game will not be supported still exists, and you might, at worst, end up with single-card performance. This is in my opinion, given the massive performance-per-dollar advantage, an acceptable tradeoff. I would definitely recommend a GTX 650 Ti Boost SLI setup to a friend looking to spend as little money as possible on a high-end gaming rig."
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_650_Ti_Boost_SLI/23.html


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AMD CrossFire Performance - A Bridge over Trouble Water?
"Where AMD has definite issues is with HD 7970s in CrossFire, and our Frame Rating testing is bringing that to light in a startling fashion. In half of our tested games, the pair of Radeon HD 7970s in CrossFire showed no appreciable measured or observed increase in performance compared to a single HD 7970. I cannot overstate that point more precisely: our results showed that in Battlefield 3, Crysis 3 and Sleeping Dogs, adding in another $400+ Radeon HD 7970 did nothing to improve your gaming experience, and in some cases made it worse by introducing frame time variances that lead to stutter."
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-Dissected-Full-Details-Capture-based-Graphics-Performance-Tes-12

"We have found that as we continue down the product stack to lower performing graphics cards, the problems of AMD CrossFire technology are creeping up more often. At single monitor resolutions, tested here as 1920x1080 and 2560x1440, the Radeon HD 7870 CrossFire configuration showed the same problems we saw in our initial article once again in titles like Battlefield 3, Crysis 3 and Sleeping Dogs. But as we saw in our previous piece problems are creeping up in DiRT 3 and Far Cry 3, game that previously didn't exhibit problems. The issues of runt frames continues to haunt the AMD CrossFire technology. It would appear that as the GPU becomes the bottleneck to bigger degree, which occurs in our testing as we keep the settings the same from the GTX Titan down to the GTX 660 Ti today, CrossFire results in more runt frames, more often and in more games."
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-GTX-660-vs-HD-7870-plus-HD-7790-HD-7850-GTX-650-Ti-BOOST/Summary


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Inconsistent Framerates and Stutter
"We've been talking about these issues for as long as we've evaluated multi-GPU performance in games. It doesn't take special software, or benchmarking, or frametime analysis or frame by frame rendering to experience and discover these issues. All it takes is actually sitting down and playing games to see and feel the differences between NVIDIA SLI and AMD CrossFire. Since we began our real-world evaluation method in 2003 that simply entails us playing games with these video cards just like gamers do, we've been able to see and feel a difference between SLI and CrossFire that we've talked about in every SLI and CrossFire evaluation.

It (Crossfire) is commonly inconsistent in framerate, has large peaks and valleys, dips and drops, and ups and downs as you play each game. It is erratic, and when you compare it to the two NVIDIA SLI configurations you notice these are smoother, more consistent, and less unruly. We've noticed this for years, we've seen it, we've talked about it, and it is very evident the more GPUs you add. Game players notice this change in FPS, they feel it as they play, and to compensate for it you have to aim for higher framerates out of CrossFire to bring the smoothness back. It is a reality right now, and one needs to keep this in mind when shopping for multi-GPU gaming solutions. While there do exist some granular testing to perhaps explain it, all one has to do is sit down in front of both setups and you will be able to tell which is smoother."
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/04/22/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_3way_sli_review/10#.UYgPKRPn-Uk
 
With Crossfire, you have to deal with more heat, more noise, more power, microstutter, and games that don't work (meaning you are down to single card performance). A single GPU has none of that.

Not to mention the fact that newer testing methods are finding that in alot of games Crossfire might double FPS like it should, but doesn't improve visual fidelity what so ever, as the extra frames rendered take up such a small amount of space on the screen that they don't count as percievable frames. A single GPU is always better, that's why people pay so much for the Titan, even though its hugely slower than the similarly priced 690.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-review-benchmark,3486.html This has a pretty decent overview.
 


they won't refund you the money for the game. once you buy a card with the game attached (for either AMD or Nvidia) you'll have the price of the game deducted from any returns you make.

Overclocked, the HD 7870 is about 30%-40% better then the best performance you'll ever get out of an overclocked 650ti Boost.



As i said, the 7870 will slaughter the 650ti Boost. They aren't even in the same class.

RE- xfire/SLi
Xfire is basically broken if you don't use vsync. Even with vsync it's not perfect. SLi works, though it's not like adding 1 and 1 and getting 2. NVidia's SLi is more like adding 1+0.7 = 1.7. you'll have a great deal of performance loss (its how nvidia deals with syncing the systems mechanically).

That said, BOTH, even an Nvidia, will suffer from microstutter, and generally uneaven gameplay. Overall NEVER get 2 gpus when you can get 1.

and NEVER SLi/xfire low end GPUs... as the cost/performance just isn't there. Its one thing if you're xfire/SLi 2 high end cards to get performance you can't get from 1 single gpus (like 2 660ti's which should best a titan)... its another thing all together if you're SLi'ing 2 weak gpus like a 650ti Boost, when you could best with a single 7950, 670, 680, 7970 or Titan
 
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It looks like in terms of single cards, across 18 benchmarks on the latest drivers, the 7870 is about 6-9% faster. Actually, the GTX 660's at under $200 are Tom's Hardware's "Best Video Cards for the Money" in that price range. You can definitely SLI them for a very fast, inexpensive setup.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-3.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Inno3D/iChill_GTX_650_Ti_Boost/26.html
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not a single website outside that one has the 650tiBoost matching let alone beating a 7850.

that's the same website which had some very questionable results from gpu tests before... such as a 680 besting a 7970... which, again, not a single website in the last 12 months even has a 680 within 10% of a 7970. (in that chart oddly enough the 7970 is once again shown besting the 680... which is contrary to yet another chart from that same website quoted here recently... it makes their testing methodology and charts highly questionable to me)

Its possible they have an Nvidia bias in their testing rig. not sure, i'm not familiar with them enough... i just know their results the last 2 times i've seen them quoted in here have been contrary to every other benchmarking test sites i've seen anywhere... including apparently themselves.


~as a sidenote, the 7790 in every bench i've seen has generally matched or slightly beaten the base 650ti. That chart, yet again shows the opposite. At this point i'm questioning that website as a source.
 

I'm sure there is some bias here Mr. 30-40%, but not necessarily in the methods employed by one of the most respected review sites on the web. You've quoted some performance comparisons, that I like you, have never heard: 7850's always better than a GTX 650 Ti Boost? A 7970 faster than a GTX 680? Huh? I've never heard of either of those, and you certainly have not shown it. Maybe a GHz Edition, but I think you're a bit confused with terminology.

TPU only uses the latest drivers, which may lead to your skepticism and they recently swapped out some older games for newer ones. Both these factors show up a couple facts: that recent drivers from Nvidia have actually pushed their performance up to produce more FPS recently, and second, that AMD has a hard time providing full performance on newer game releases. I understand these results might be confusing to your world view, but with constantly updating drivers and benchmarks, relative performance is a dynamic thing that ebbs and flows over time. No one has ever rightly accused TPU of bias.
 
i've no problem with Nvidia gpus... my system right now uses nvidia. I generally find radeon to be loud and hot, so i like to spend a little more for nvidia. you can't deny that SLi works far better then xfire ever would too.

That said, appart from TPU (and i know who they are), no one else on the web has those performance numbers.

Its been a while since i've been to their site, thanks to this conversation and your post i'll most certainly swing around and examine their methodology. I do have an open mind

*note: after looking around the web i will gladly amend a comment i made, as i am unable verify the comparison numbers of a 7870 overclocked vs a 7850 stock. The lone articles i could find on this topic, which apparently formed the basis of my memory on this information date from the release of those two cards and is not reliable information. Though they do back my point, the lack of modern benches on this subject forces me to to withdraw my assertion of a 30% speed difference between an overclocked 7870 and a stock 7850.

As to the numbers i stated... they come from several sources.

1) a performance 7870, overclocked, will be approximately equal 110%-120% over that of an overclocked 7850. I have no basis of comparison with a stock 7850 to make further assumptions on their comparative speeds.

2) a stock 7850 is approximately the performance numbers of an overclocked 650ti Boost, which i might add is a bit more then a 7790, which while overclocks alright, doesn't quite make it up to a 7850.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7850-vs-GeForce-GTX-650-Ti-Boost
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-boost-review
http://www.techspot.com/review/661-nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-boost-sli/page9.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6838/nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-boost-review-/14
3) by inference, with an overclocked 650ti Boost being roughly equal to a stock 7850, we can say an overclocked 650ti is roughly anywhere from 10%-20% (or more) slower then an overclocked 7870.

My numbers don't come from the sky or make believe land.

The 650ti Boost is a fast little card for an insanely cheep amount of scratch, but that does not make it as good as a 7870.