[SOLVED] 3700 X Build

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Hello,

First time building pc. Can you guys please advise on this build. This will be for gaming and streaming.

I want this to last at least 3 years. I will not be looking at any major upgrades in between.

Mostly looking for 3 things -

1 - PC parts picker says Asus motherboard not compatible with the cooler?

2 - Any parts you think I can replace with a cheaper and better option? any dollars saved will help.

3 - Good to go approval.

Here is my pc part picker list:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/ss2112/saved/#view=GjgTCJ

Thanks,

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PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($305.50 @ shopRBC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler ($94.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard ($243.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($94.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($91.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.75 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($539.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($104.99 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($134.50 @ Vuugo)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan ($17.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan ($17.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan ($17.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Monitor: Asus VG278Q 27.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($358.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $2185.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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PCPartPicker Part List: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Qwhqb8

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($419.99 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 SE-AM4 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.95 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste ($9.99 @ Canada Computers)
Motherboard: MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($238.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($84.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card ($439.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.95 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($154.99 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($134.75 @ Vuugo)
Case Fan: Cooler Master Blade Master 76.8 CFM 120 mm Fan ($13.83 @ Vuugo)
Case Fan: Cooler Master Blade Master 76.8 CFM 120 mm Fan ($13.83 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: LG 27GK750F-B 27.0" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor ($367.99 @ PC-Canada)
Total: $2208.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

For the cooler, you needed to get the SE version that's compatible with AM4
 
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1 - PC parts picker says Asus motherboard not compatible with the cooler?
That particular package doesn't contain the SE-AM4 mounting kit. The NH-D15 SE-AM4(it's listed like that) does.

2 - Any parts you think I can replace with a cheaper and better option? any dollars saved will help.
Here's what I'd change:
Thermal Compound: The retail box cooler comes with a small tube of paste already; about 5 uses, application depending. Save $10 since you won't need it right away, but I understand if you'd rather have some on hand.
Memory: OLOy 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory Better timings for plug-n-play users. If you want to stay with the kit you already listed, I suggest you look into Ryzen Dram Calculator guides to try and tighten those loose timings.
Video Card: RTX 2060(non super) is overpriced, now that it's no longer in production. PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 8 GB RED DRAGON Video Card
Case: Take those 2 case fans off your list and put it towards getting an actually good case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA doesn't know what middle ground is when it comes to power supplies. They either launch cheap junk, or make decent, yet overpriced units.
You can get better value with Corsair or Seasonic, but I'm just going to list a Seasonic model: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

3 - Good to go approval.
For the parts I didn't change, I'd say they were already good picks and didn't need changing. (y)
 
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Guys,

I apologize if this feels redundant, but I was doing some research into my build. I switched over some parts. Can you please look at it once again.

I switched from 3700x to 3900x. This pc will be for streaming and gaming. This build should last a good while. Can you please advise if my build is ok and if I can save any $$$ anywhere by replacement?


https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/ss2112/saved/px9Jf7
 

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My 2 cents:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($305.50 @ shopRBC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler ($94.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard ($243.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($94.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($91.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.75 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($539.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($104.99 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($134.50 @ Vuugo)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan ($17.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan ($17.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM 70.75 CFM 120 mm Fan ($17.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Monitor: Asus VG278Q 27.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($358.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $2185.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
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CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor | $639.99 @ Amazon Canada
CPU Cooler | CRYORIG M9 Plus 48.4 CFM CPU Cooler | $64.31 @ Amazon Canada
Motherboard | Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard | $243.75 @ Vuugo
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory | $112.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage | ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $94.99 @ Memory Express
Video Card | MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB EVOKE OC Video Card | $469.99 @ Memory Express
Case | Phanteks ECLIPSE P350X ATX Mid Tower Case | $94.99 @ Amazon Canada
Power Supply | Corsair TXM Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | $99.99 @ Canada Computers
Operating System | Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit | $134.50 @ Vuugo
Case Fan | Noctua NF-P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan | $18.95 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace
Monitor | LG 32GK850F-B 32.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor | $418.99 @ PC-Canada
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $2443.44
| Mail-in rebates | -$50.00
| Total | $2393.44
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-26 11:25 EST-0500 |
 

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I would go with the 3700x and a B450 motherboard like the MSI Tomahawk Max unless I wouldve got money to burn.
In my opinion x570 is only worth it if you use pci-e 4.0 and the 8 cores are more than adequate for gaming and streaming.
 
I would go with the 3700x and a B450 motherboard like the MSI Tomahawk Max unless I wouldve got money to burn.
In my opinion x570 is only worth it if you use pci-e 4.0 and the 8 cores are more than adequate for gaming and streaming.
I would rather go with the 3800x being not too much more expensive than the 3700x. But the 3900x can certainly add more longevity to the build if you have the budget.
 

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It works now.

[I posted my part selection in an earlier post.]
I don't know what else you're doing that warrants needing a 3700X/3900X over the 3600/3600X for just gaming + streaming.
The 3600/X is a very effective solution. Some people are too quick to dismiss them as soon as anyone mentions 'gaming, PLUS'.

Some games just started using 8 threads, it's not going to progress THAT damn fast, or game devs would end up leaving behind the not-so-modern PCs.
Plus, streaming isn't limited to the cpu - check out AMD ReLive or NVENC - and you can run one or the other depending on the workload.

The 3700X doesn't offer enough for what it costs, and the 3900X is just plain overkill - screw 'futureproofing' - for just gaming + streaming.
Unless you regularly use 10+ threads - and you're just flat out not going to until very specific situations, then you will save a significant amount with a 3600/3600X.
 

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In 4yrs the 3600x will struggle to keep up with gaming + streaming, but spending a few $$$ more upfront can give you that certainty for another 3-4 yrs of seamless workload .
That's a 'crystal ball' move, mate...
'Spending a few $$$ more'? The price difference between the 3600X and 3800X is pretty significant for the OP, who's priority appears to be value:
Any parts you think I can replace with a cheaper and better option? any dollars saved will help.

The 3600X VS 3800X vid:
X265 encoding: A 21% fps gain for a 47% markup?
7-Zip compression: 27% improvement for a 47% markup?
Truecrypt: 21% faster - it sounds like a lot, but it's just a few seconds - for a 47% markup?
X264 transcoding: 11% improvement for a 47% markup?
20% average uplift for a 47% markup? That's not very impressive for someone trying to save money where they can...

The game benchmarks were pretty bloody pathetic: single digit to no gain for a 47% markup?
The gpu can also record and stream - it's not all restricted to the cpu: split resources effectively.

3700X, 3800X, and 3900X are all poor value for the OP's purposes.
 
That's a 'crystal ball' move, mate...
'Spending a few $$$ more'? The price difference between the 3600X and 3800X is pretty significant for the OP, who's priority appears to be value:



The 3600X VS 3800X vid:
X265 encoding: A 21% fps gain for a 47% markup?
7-Zip compression: 27% improvement for a 47% markup?
Truecrypt: 21% faster - it sounds like a lot, but it's just a few seconds - for a 47% markup?
X264 transcoding: 11% improvement for a 47% markup?
20% average uplift for a 47% markup? That's not very impressive for someone trying to save money where they can...

The game benchmarks were pretty bloody pathetic: single digit to no gain for a 47% markup?
The gpu can also record and stream - it's not all restricted to the cpu: split resources effectively.

3700X, 3800X, and 3900X are all poor value for the OP's purposes.
Talk about value for money, and there is nothing better than than the ultimate benchmark...
"This chart comparing high end CPUs is made using thousands of PerformanceTest benchmark results and is updated daily. These are the high end AMD and Intel CPUs are typically those found in newer computers. The chart below compares the performance of Intel Xeon CPUs, Intel Core i7/i9 CPUs, AMD Ryzen/Threadripper CPUs and AMD Epyc with multiple cores. Intel processors vs AMD chips - find out which CPUs performance is best for your new gaming rig or server! "
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

3800x = 24498
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3600x = 20519

Ans yes, when you talk about a budget of that proportion, longevity does become a major factor when it comes to value for money. Doesnt matter how much you claim otherwise the 3800x is a plain better CPU, and if you scour the forums, most people with that kind of budget do go for a better than 6 core chip.
 

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the ultimate benchmark... Passmark...
There's no such thing. Passmark doesn't cover everything - they're all going to favor one thing or another.
I use Passmark, but also compare results with other benchmarks as well; the results can vary.

3800x = 24498
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3600x = 20519
Hey now, that's just the multi-core score... You're not going to ignore the single core, are you? You should know to take into account both single and multi-threaded applications.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3800X/3494vs3499
Single: 3800X(2981) VS 3600X(2915) = ~2% uplift
Multi: 24498 VS 20519 = 19%

Here's a ~50 game benchmark between the 2 using the OP's choice of the RX 5700XT: https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/compare-multi/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-vs-amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-vs-amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-vs-amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-vs-amd-ryzen-7-3800x-vs-amd-ryzen-7-3800x-vs-amd-ryzen-5-3600x/ultra-vs-ultra-vs-low-vs-low
Practically identical performance as far as games are concerned.

So, 3800X VS 3600X: Overall, the former provides 0 UP TO 19% uplift over the latter for 47% more. It only pulls ahead when the user actually USES the extra resources.
When they sit there doing nothing, the user has gained nothing.

And yes, when you talk about a budget of that proportion, longevity does become a major factor when it comes to value for money.
A budget that the OP would like to get lowered. It appears they're not comfortable with the current total, so that's why they came here and asked.
If money was no object, I wouldn't have dipped my toes in here, and likely would've avoided this argument with you as well...

I did think differently about cpus like the 3700X and 3800X, but having done more research on the matter, they really don't offer that much for what they cost, especially for gaming.
They're middle men that try to multitask and fail. The 3600/X does the same thing for much cheaper, and some one who really needs lots of threads should be looking at a 3900X anyways.

You can't predict the future, I can't predict the future - so the whole 'futureproofing' thing is just bogus. We can only make assumptions based on past events. It's not a guarantee of things to come.
Where is the value of the 3800X's extra resources over the 3600X if the OP doesn't regularly make use of them, even in the next 3-4 years? 0.
By regularly, I mean at least a few times a week, not some once a week/month/blue moon, whatever - frequently! Getting your money's worth for what you paid for.

The 3600/X are awesome cpus! They launched with a bang!
Their value is great, with performance to boot; crawling up even the 9900K's back.
They just came out this year, and suddenly, aren't any good for the next 3-4 years?! WTF?! That's about how long a mid to high end gpu goes - cpus go longer than that.
I don't get it...

Doesnt matter how much you claim otherwise the 3800x is a plain better CPU
Wow.
Only in certain scenarios is it better, and they're pretty niche - gaming + streaming is not niche. People still game + stream with 7700Ks and 8700Ks - the 3600X outperforms both, and it's suddenly inadequate?

and if you scour the forums, most people with that kind of budget do go for a better than 6 core chip.
I do scour the forums.

I'm going to leave the rest of that line alone, because I don't want to offend anyone, but I will say that you're being pretty vague with 'better than a 6 core chip'.
What is better? Which 6 core? Why/How is it better than the 6? Where is it better?
 
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There's no such thing. Passmark doesn't cover everything - they're all going to favor one thing or another.
I use Passmark, but also compare results with other benchmarks as well; the results can vary.


Hey now, that's just the multi-core score... You're not going to ignore the single core, are you? You should know to take into account both single and multi-threaded applications.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3800X/3494vs3499
Single: 3800X(2981) VS 3600X(2915) = ~2% uplift
Multi: 24498 VS 20519 = 19%

Here's a ~50 game benchmark between the 2 using the OP's choice of the RX 5700XT: https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/compare-multi/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-vs-amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-vs-amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-vs-amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-vs-amd-ryzen-7-3800x-vs-amd-ryzen-7-3800x-vs-amd-ryzen-5-3600x/ultra-vs-ultra-vs-low-vs-low
Practically identical performance as far as games are concerned.

So, 3800X VS 3600X: Overall, the former provides 0 UP TO 19% uplift over the latter for 47% more. It only pulls ahead when the user actually USES the extra resources.
When they sit there doing nothing, the user has gained nothing.


A budget that the OP would like to get lowered. It appears they're not comfortable with the current total, so that's why they came here and asked.
If money was no object, I wouldn't have dipped my toes in here, and likely would've avoided this argument with you as well...

I did think differently about cpus like the 3700X and 3800X, but having done more research on the matter, they really don't offer that much for what they cost, especially for gaming.
They're middle men that try to multitask and fail. The 3600/X does the same thing for much cheaper, and some one who really needs lots of threads should be looking at a 3900X anyways.

You can't predict the future, I can't predict the future - so the whole 'futureproofing' thing is just bogus. We can only make assumptions based on past events. It's not a guarantee of things to come.
Where is the value of the 3800X's extra resources over the 3600X if the OP doesn't regularly make use of them, even in the next 3-4 years? 0.
By regularly, I mean at least a few times a week, not some once a week/month/blue moon, whatever - frequently! Getting your money's worth for what you paid for.

The 3600/X are awesome cpus! They launched with a bang!
Their value is great, with performance to boot; crawling up even the 9900K's back.
They just came out this year, and suddenly, aren't any good for the next 3-4 years?! WTF?! That's about how long a mid to high end gpu goes - cpus go longer than that.
I don't get it...


Wow.
Only in certain scenarios is it better, and they're pretty niche - gaming + streaming is not niche. People still game + stream with 7700Ks and 8700Ks - the 3600X outperforms both, and it's suddenly inadequate?


I do scour the forums.

I'm going to leave the rest of that line alone, because I don't want to offend anyone, but I will say that you're being pretty vague with 'better than a 6 core chip'.
What is better? Which 6 core? Why/How is it better than the 6? Where is it better?
And in all your counterpoints, you do not care to take into account the longevity of the processor. Thats pretty sad. Again, 4yrs from now when OP would want to get a better GPU for a better monitor maybe, the 3600x will struggle compared to the 3800x.

This debate is going nowhere. OP has enough data to make an informed decision. I will leave it to him.
 

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And in all your counterpoints, you do not care to take into account the longevity of the processor. Thats pretty sad.
I am.

Again, 4yrs from now when OP would want to get a better GPU for a better monitor maybe, the 3600x will struggle compared to the 3800x.
Better monitor? From 1080p 144hz? That's subject is completely aesthetic... between resolution and refresh, one requires a faster cpu, the other a faster gpu, and the 2 are literally tied in single core speed...

This debate is going nowhere. OP has enough data to make an informed decision. I will leave it to him.
It seems our points of view are running parallel, so we'll never reach a consensus... Perhaps in 3-4 years we'll see just how irrelevant both cpus are, and think back to this thread...
Maybe.

I'll go ahead and unfollow this thread. Later!
 

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