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Taken from:
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/35764

"Games xStream is the first and only online delivery platform that can
satisfy a gamer's desire to buy a game on impulse and start playing
minutes later, regardless of the size or complexity of the game. 3D
Realms is extremely excited by this ground breaking technology, and we
plan to use it to sell our future releases"

/me lights blue touch paper and stands well back...;-)
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Andrew wrote:

awful news
there couldn't be any more worse news to start a day

now the question is will they do it "valve" way
forcing it
taking away choice
acting like arrogant monopolistic publishers
neglecting millions of pc gamers around the world

for me its really simple... if they do it "valve" way, and
sell it ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY via download and i will do the
same i did with hl2, i will not accept it, and i simply will
not buy it!

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sayNO2steam wrote:

> awful news
> there couldn't be any more worse news to start a day

Why is that? It is giving consumers A CHOICE.

> for me its really simple... if they do it "valve" way, and
> sell it ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY via download and i will do the
> same i did with hl2,

Exclusive: Not allowing something else.
More people have purchased HL2 in a retail store than off steam. So much for
it being sold exclusively as a download. Yes, you still have to set up a
steam account. It is not the same thing.

> i will not accept it, and i simply will
> not buy it!

What are you talking about? You wouldn't buy it anyway.
 
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"Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
news:rth811tkj30q798lqdvc8c7gtn9u56qb1n@4ax.com...
> Taken from:
> http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/35764
>
> "Games xStream is the first and only online delivery platform that can
> satisfy a gamer's desire to buy a game on impulse and start playing
> minutes later, regardless of the size or complexity of the game. 3D
> Realms is extremely excited by this ground breaking technology, and we
> plan to use it to sell our future releases"
>
> /me lights blue touch paper and stands well back...;-)

As long as it's an *optional* feature, there is no problem.
 
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:27:05 +0000, sayNO2steam
<sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Andrew wrote:
>
>awful news
>there couldn't be any more worse news to start a day
>
>now the question is will they do it "valve" way
>forcing it
>taking away choice
>acting like arrogant monopolistic publishers
>neglecting millions of pc gamers around the world
>
>for me its really simple... if they do it "valve" way, and
>sell it ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY via download and i will do the
>same i did with hl2, i will not accept it, and i simply will
>not buy it!

Boy if only you could simply "not buy it"........
instead of posting thousands of lines of ranting about steam and how
it's destroying civilization.
That would be a dream come true for this newsgroup.

But it won't be that simple, because you believe it's your RIGHT to
have games marketed the way you want them and not how the publisher
wants them.

You really should pay Valve for giving you something to talk about for
the last few months.


Remove nospam_ to reply by email

Jeff H........
 
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:16:31 -0600, "Kroagnon" <kroagnon@kroagnon.com>
wrote:

>As long as it's an *optional* feature, there is no problem.

The impression I'm getting is that it IS optional and a delivery
method only. No online authentification stuff like Steam. If that's
the case, I don't have a problem with it.


Crash7
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Andrew wrote:

> Taken from:
> http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/35764
>
> "Games xStream is the first and only online delivery platform that can
> satisfy a gamer's desire to buy a game on impulse and start playing
> minutes later, regardless of the size or complexity of the game. 3D
> Realms is extremely excited by this ground breaking technology, and we
> plan to use it to sell our future releases"
>
> /me lights blue touch paper and stands well back...;-)

They've been doing it with _Duke Nukem Forever_. Problem is, they're
using 300-baud modems.
 
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Kroagnon wrote:
> "Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
> news:rth811tkj30q798lqdvc8c7gtn9u56qb1n@4ax.com...
>
>>Taken from:
>>http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/35764
>>
>>"Games xStream is the first and only online delivery platform that can
>>satisfy a gamer's desire to buy a game on impulse and start playing
>>minutes later, regardless of the size or complexity of the game. 3D
>>Realms is extremely excited by this ground breaking technology, and we
>>plan to use it to sell our future releases"
>>
>>/me lights blue touch paper and stands well back...;-)
>
>
> As long as it's an *optional* feature, there is no problem.
>
>

Why would it be a problem? I don't like Ladas so I dont buy them - I
dont moan that their "too Lada-ish". You pays your money you takes your
choice.
 
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:31:21 +0000, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.>
wrote:

>Taken from:
>http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/35764
>
>"Games xStream is the first and only online delivery platform that can
>satisfy a gamer's desire to buy a game on impulse and start playing
>minutes later, regardless of the size or complexity of the game. 3D
>Realms is extremely excited by this ground breaking technology, and we
>plan to use it to sell our future releases"
>
>/me lights blue touch paper and stands well back...;-)
>--
>Andrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com
>Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
>please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text.
>Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.

Who were 3DRealms ?
I vaguely remember the name George Broussard and
some DOS game involving a guy who made semi-funny
rude remarks while killing aliens... but that was such a
long, long, long time ago....

John Lewis
 
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"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4214c973.5060518@news.verizon.net...
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:31:21 +0000, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.>
> wrote:
>
>>Taken from:
>>http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/35764
>>
>>"Games xStream is the first and only online delivery platform that can
>>satisfy a gamer's desire to buy a game on impulse and start playing
>>minutes later, regardless of the size or complexity of the game. 3D
>>Realms is extremely excited by this ground breaking technology, and we
>>plan to use it to sell our future releases"
>>
>>/me lights blue touch paper and stands well back...;-)
>>--
>>Andrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com
>>Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
>>please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text.
>>Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.
>
> Who were 3DRealms ?
> I vaguely remember the name George Broussard and
> some DOS game involving a guy who made semi-funny
> rude remarks while killing aliens... but that was such a
> long, long, long time ago....
>
> John Lewis
>
>

Feels like its been Forever...
 
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Optional would be fine with me and I'm sure many others. 56k dial-up
accounts still far out number cable and dsl connections.
"Kroagnon" <kroagnon@kroagnon.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
> news:rth811tkj30q798lqdvc8c7gtn9u56qb1n@4ax.com...
> > Taken from:
> > http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/35764
> >
> > "Games xStream is the first and only online delivery platform that can
> > satisfy a gamer's desire to buy a game on impulse and start playing
> > minutes later, regardless of the size or complexity of the game. 3D
> > Realms is extremely excited by this ground breaking technology, and we
> > plan to use it to sell our future releases"
> >
> > /me lights blue touch paper and stands well back...;-)
>
> As long as it's an *optional* feature, there is no problem.
>
>
 
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"Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
news:rth811tkj30q798lqdvc8c7gtn9u56qb1n@4ax.com...
> Taken from:
> http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/35764
>
> "Games xStream is the first and only online delivery platform that can
> satisfy a gamer's desire to buy a game on impulse and start playing
> minutes later, regardless of the size or complexity of the game. 3D
> Realms is extremely excited by this ground breaking technology, and we
> plan to use it to sell our future releases"
>
> /me lights blue touch paper and stands well back...;-)

Oh, are these the Duke Nukem guys? (I had completely forgotten who these
guys even were.)

Well if their "future releases" are as timely as that Duke Nukem Forever
(was that the name?), I'll just hope everyone else waits for their lead
before adopting this "first and only online delivery system"... :)
 
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John Lewis wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:31:21 +0000, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.>
> wrote:
>
>> Taken from:
>> http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/35764
>>
>> "Games xStream is the first and only online delivery platform that
>> can satisfy a gamer's desire to buy a game on impulse and start
>> playing minutes later, regardless of the size or complexity of the
>> game. 3D Realms is extremely excited by this ground breaking
>> technology, and we plan to use it to sell our future releases"
>>
>> /me lights blue touch paper and stands well back...;-)
>> --
>> Andrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com
>> Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
>> please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text.
>> Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.
>
> Who were 3DRealms ?
> I vaguely remember the name George Broussard and
> some DOS game involving a guy who made semi-funny
> rude remarks while killing aliens... but that was such a
> long, long, long time ago....
>
> John Lewis

Granted the Duke Nukem Forever release has been a total fiasco, but lets not
forget that 3DRealms was heavily involved in creating Max Payne and Max
Payne 2. Two fairly decent games I'd say.
 
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:31:21 +0000, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.>
wrote:

>Taken from:
>http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/35764
>
>"Games xStream is the first and only online delivery platform that can
>satisfy a gamer's desire to buy a game on impulse and start playing
>minutes later, regardless of the size or complexity of the game. 3D
>Realms is extremely excited by this ground breaking technology, and we
>plan to use it to sell our future releases"
>
>/me lights blue touch paper and stands well back...;-)

The interesting part in that article was:

"There seem to be a dozen new game streaming technology companies
showing up every time you blink."

Exactly. So soon you will have dozens of different "game download
system clients" installed on your system for games of different
companies and publishers. Apparently some people wish this to happen,
unless they really were so naive that they thought Steam will be THE
download system for all or most future PC games. It will be just one
of the many.

Which, of course, would also mean that some of them are destined to
become obsolete and be closed down, when the heavy players like
Microsoft and Electronic Arts decide to do the same.

"Hmmm, I want to play Demolisher Joe 4... but under which client was
it again? Steam? Bubble? DirectDL? EAOnline? MSGameZone? Damn, can't
remember. Oh well, have to check them out."
 
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"Crash7" <xscott.crankx@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:3qh911hftb22vjjp5sddolbg9ukuhbffes@4ax.com...

> >As long as it's an *optional* feature, there is no problem.
> The impression I'm getting is that it IS optional and a delivery
> method only. No online authentification stuff like Steam. If that's
> the case, I don't have a problem with it.

Indeed, and I like the idea of a streaming format. I had thought that was
what Steam was going to offer.

Unfortunately, it's moot as this is 3DRealms we're talking about.
 
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, "Hank the Rapper" wrote:

> Why is that? It is giving consumers A CHOICE.

if they do it valve way their will be NO CHOICE
if they sell a "BOX" retail version without any intrusive and
damaging tecnhologies like steam and copy protect it like any
other pc game, then yes we will have choice, but we must wait
and see what 3drealms plans are

> Exclusive: Not allowing something else.

right! in this case not allowing the game to be sold like any
other pc game, in a box, via retail without any intrusive and
damaging tecnologies like steam

> More people have purchased HL2 in a retail store than off steam.
> So much for it being sold exclusively as a download.

off course hank!
a miniscule minority has bought hl2 via download!
and valve knows it! and knew it all along!
that's why valve is USING and INFECTING the retail market so they
can ultimately KILL it

WE WANT STEAM OUT OF THE RETAIL MARKET!
IF STEAM IS SO GOOD LET IT BE A FAIR FIGHT BETWEEN STEAM AND RETAIL!
but valve doesn't want that cause they know they will lose!
they will lose!
they are cowards!

> Yes, you still have to set up a steam account. It is not the same
> thing.

how many times do i have to say to you! yes i've told you already in
past threads about the hl2 retail thing is a FREAK! an ABERRATION!
steam should never be present in a retail product!
steam is a broadband tecnology only!
steam is INFECTING and DAMAGING the retail market!
WE WANT STEAM OUT OFF THE RETAIL MARKET NOW!!!

> What are you talking about? You wouldn't buy it anyway.

go ahead mr hank, more insults! go! keep on! insult! more and more!
i'm already used to... insults and insults
its the price i have to pay for being against steam... i know...
its sad, but that will not make me run away from the fight i must do

--
its only in the hands of every pc gamer defend what he likes the most
its only pc gamers who will lose with piracy cause the publishers and
developers will find other businesses to work in without being robbed
 
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sayNO2piracy wrote:

> go ahead mr hank, more insults! go! keep on! insult! more and more!
> i'm already used to... insults and insults
> its the price i have to pay for being against steam... i know...
> its sad, but that will not make me run away from the fight i must do

I didn't insult you in any way in my reply, yet you accuse me of it. BTW,
you can't cry when someone calls you names when you in fact started the mud
slinging.
 
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, "Kroagnon" wrote:

> As long as it's an *optional* feature, there is no problem.

completely agree with you
if steam would be optional it would never be an issue
but we know why its not optional, cause valve is forcing it only
for their own advantage and damaging the pc game market, the
retail channel and us pc gamers

i'll wait and see if 3drealms wants to do it valve way or the
PROPER way

3drealms are what is left from the old apogee, the company that
published the id developed game wolfenstein 3d, so i still have
hope they are not the arrogant and dictator like valve is

--
its only in the hands of every pc gamer defend what he likes the most
its only pc gamers who will lose with piracy cause the publishers and
developers will find other businesses to work in without being robbed
 
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"Hank the Rapper" <xflopgoon@REMOVEyahoo.com> quoted dipshit "sayNO2steam"
aka "difool":

>> i'm already used to... insults and insults

As well you should be.


stePH
--
If it cannot break the egg's shell, a chick will die without being born.
We are the chick. The world is our egg.
If we cannot break the world's shell, we will die without being born.
Smash the world's shell! For the revolution of the world!
 
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Kroagnon wrote:
> "Crash7" <xscott.crankx@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:3qh911hftb22vjjp5sddolbg9ukuhbffes@4ax.com...
>
>
>>>As long as it's an *optional* feature, there is no problem.
>>
>>The impression I'm getting is that it IS optional and a delivery
>>method only. No online authentification stuff like Steam. If that's
>>the case, I don't have a problem with it.
>
>
> Indeed, and I like the idea of a streaming format. I had thought that was
> what Steam was going to offer.

Could you explain this "streaming format"? I don't understand the
benefits as well as you.
 
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Andrew wrote:
> Taken from:
> http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/35764
>
> "Games xStream is the first and only online delivery platform that can
> satisfy a gamer's desire to buy a game on impulse and start playing
> minutes later, regardless of the size or complexity of the game. 3D
> Realms is extremely excited by this ground breaking technology, and we
> plan to use it to sell our future releases"
>
> /me lights blue touch paper and stands well back...;-)

Where does 3DRealms acquire all the money to contiue operating without
releasing actual products?


--
best regards, mat
np: [winamp not running]

www.pdxshows.net
 
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"sayNO2piracy" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, "Hank the Rapper" wrote:
<snip>
>
> > More people have purchased HL2 in a retail store than off steam.
> > So much for it being sold exclusively as a download.
>
> off course hank!
> a miniscule minority has bought hl2 via download!
> and valve knows it! and knew it all along!
> that's why valve is USING and INFECTING the retail market so they
> can ultimately KILL it
>

Miniscule? Did you find the number of copies of HL2 sold thru Steam, if
so, what is it?
Anyone know the numbers?

> WE WANT STEAM OUT OF THE RETAIL MARKET!
> IF STEAM IS SO GOOD LET IT BE A FAIR FIGHT BETWEEN STEAM AND RETAIL!
> but valve doesn't want that cause they know they will lose!
> they will lose!
> they are cowards!
>

There's no such thing as a "fair fight" in the business world.

You keep calling Valve cowards. I say it took a lot of nads on their part
to stand up to the pirates and publishers and say, "We're mad as heck and
we're not going to take it anymore!"

note: although from what some folks claim, it didn't take the pirates long
to hack it.


> > Yes, you still have to set up a steam account. It is not the same
> > thing.
>
> how many times do i have to say to you! yes i've told you already in
> past threads about the hl2 retail thing is a FREAK! an ABERRATION!
> steam should never be present in a retail product!
> steam is a broadband tecnology only!
> steam is INFECTING and DAMAGING the retail market!
> WE WANT STEAM OUT OFF THE RETAIL MARKET NOW!!!
>

Who's we?

> > What are you talking about? You wouldn't buy it anyway.
>
> go ahead mr hank, more insults! go! keep on! insult! more and more!
> i'm already used to... insults and insults
> its the price i have to pay for being against steam... i know...
> its sad, but that will not make me run away from the fight i must do
>

Let him who has not cast the first insult toss the first stone.

<snip>
 
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"Hank the Rapper" <xflopgoon@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> sayNO2piracy wrote:
>
> > go ahead mr hank, more insults! go! keep on! insult! more and more!
> > i'm already used to... insults and insults
> > its the price i have to pay for being against steam... i know...
> > its sad, but that will not make me run away from the fight i must do
>
> I didn't insult you in any way in my reply, yet you accuse me of it. BTW,
> you can't cry when someone calls you names when you in fact started the
mud
> slinging.
>
>

I believe you insulted him when you said, "What are you talking about?" 😉
 
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"sayNO2piracy" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, "Kroagnon" wrote:
>
> > As long as it's an *optional* feature, there is no problem.
>
> completely agree with you
> if steam would be optional it would never be an issue
> but we know why its not optional, cause valve is forcing it only
> for their own advantage and damaging the pc game market, the
> retail channel and us pc gamers
>
> i'll wait and see if 3drealms wants to do it valve way or the
> PROPER way
>
> 3drealms are what is left from the old apogee, the company that
> published the id developed game wolfenstein 3d, so i still have
> hope they are not the arrogant and dictator like valve is
>

You've just described every boss that I've ever worked for. And my 3
ex-wifes.
 
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"Walter Mitty" <mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Kroagnon wrote:
> > "Crash7" <xscott.crankx@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> > news:3qh911hftb22vjjp5sddolbg9ukuhbffes@4ax.com...
> >
> >
> >>>As long as it's an *optional* feature, there is no problem.
> >>
> >>The impression I'm getting is that it IS optional and a delivery
> >>method only. No online authentification stuff like Steam. If that's
> >>the case, I don't have a problem with it.
> >
> >
> > Indeed, and I like the idea of a streaming format. I had thought that
was
> > what Steam was going to offer.
>
> Could you explain this "streaming format"? I don't understand the
> benefits as well as you.

From reading the web site, it sounds like you could pick a game, and even
though it might be 900mb, within mins you could be up and running it.
Similar to watching a streaming video off the web. No need to d/l the
whole thing prior to playing it.
 
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