3DWork/Gaming <$3,000 AUD.

[LemonBear]

Hello All,

I'm looking for advice to a PC Build that will be used for 3D work and Gaming equally.
This is my first PC build, and i have tried my best to research before i came up with the below build.
My Current frustration is deciding on 1150 or 2011-3 sockets and the performance impacts for both 3D applications and gaming (whether its worth the extra $ at this point in time).


Build i have put together:
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=wish_lists&wlcId=428713&action=wish_lists


Approximate Purchase Date: Before May 2015.

Budget Range: < - $3000 AUD

System Usage from Most to Least Important: 3D Modelling (Autodesk Maya), Sculpting (Zbrush,Mudbox), Rendering (Autodesk Maya) After Effects Editing, Nuke Comp work, Gaming , Recording game footage (Youtube).

Parts Not Required: OS, Keyboard, mouse, monitors, speakers.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: www.pccasegear.com

Country: Australia

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU, Nvidia GPU, everything else is undecided.

Overclocking: Maybe (looking for advise)

SLI or Crossfire: No, (might be overkill?, as per below. only running 1080)

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

The reason i have chosen the 980GTX over a Quadro Is because my current card GTX 590, can handle my current 3D workflow and view port rendering....so my thinking is that i would shift the GFX card to the gaming side because it doesn't seem to be a current bottleneck.

The high amount of RAM is due to , editing, simulations and texturing work. Currently my home PC only has 8GB and it is almost un-usable. My College had 16GB which was at times not enough for high resolution texture work.

Low storage in the build is due to having a separate external storage solution.

Would love any advise you have to offer, as im unsure about most components (cooling, MB, RAM, Power supply)

Thanks heaps.

 

[jd400]

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[bambiboom]

Hello All,

I'm looking for advice to a PC Build that will be used for 3D work and Gaming equally.
This is my first PC build, and i have tried my best to research before i came up with the below build.
My Current frustration is deciding on 1150 or 2011-3 sockets and the performance impacts for both 3D applications and gaming (whether its worth the extra $ at this point in time).


Build i have put together:
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=wish_lists&wlcId=428713&action=wish_lists


Approximate Purchase Date: Before May 2015.

Budget Range: < - $3000 AUD

System Usage from Most to Least Important: 3D Modelling (Autodesk Maya), Sculpting (Zbrush,Mudbox), Rendering (Autodesk Maya) After Effects Editing, Nuke Comp work, Gaming , Recording game footage (Youtube).

Parts Not Required: OS, Keyboard, mouse, monitors, speakers.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: www.pccasegear.com

Country: Australia

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU, Nvidia GPU, everything else is undecided.

Overclocking: Maybe (looking for advise)

SLI or Crossfire: No, (might be overkill?, as per below. only running 1080)

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

The reason i have chosen the 980GTX over a Quadro Is because my current card GTX 590, can handle my current 3D workflow and view port rendering....so my thinking is that i would shift the GFX card to the gaming side because it doesn't seem to be a current bottleneck.

The high amount of RAM is due to , editing, simulations and texturing work. Currently my home PC only has 8GB and it is almost un-usable. My College had 16GB which was at times not enough for high resolution texture work.

Low storage in the build is due to having a separate external storage solution.

Would love any advise you have to offer, as im unsure about most components (cooling, MB, RAM, Power supply)

Thanks heaps.

Gooday LemonBear,

In my view- which is a bit conservative as regards workstations is that the demands of visualisation programmes- especially animation, have progressed to a point that it now may be necessary to optimize for content creation entirely and if there is a reasonable content consumption capability - games- that's a bonus. If, however your work involves game design and animation, that's another issue and important to consider.

Given the most demanding potential use of the most demanding programme- and I'm imagining this is f/x processed animation in Maya, I'd recommend an LGA2011-3 system > ECC RAM > Qaudro system. The ECC is in respect of the proper calculation of particles, shadows, and reflections as the Quadro is likewise. As it happens, the GTX 580 were 590 are wide bandwidth (384 and 2X 384-bit) have a good amount of RAM and CUDa cores, and I think, were almost uniquely good in the GTX world for video editing. The GTX 980 may also perform well for the same reasons, but if you're using a lot of textures in Maya, the Quadro drivers may be set up for more accurate particle, shadow, and reflections, plus better anti-aliiasing and viewport support. there are drivers for Quadros that can run x128 anti-aliasing as compared to x16 for GTX.

As I wasn't allowed to view your "private" system on pccasegear, I don't know the amount of RAM used and drive sizes, but here's a generic system idea in US $ :

BambiBoom PixelCannon Cadamodarendergrapharific iWork TurboBlast ExtremeSignature SuperModel 8000 ®©$$™®£™©™_ 4.19.15

1. CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1650 v3 Six-Core Processor 3.5 / 3.8GHz 0GT/s 15MB LGA 2011-v3 CPU> $575

____ http://ark.intel.com/products/82765/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1650-v3-15M-Cache-3_50-GHz
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E51650V3BX
____ http://www.amazon.com/XEON-E5-1650V3-6C-3-5G-15MB/dp/B00MU045JU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411580728&sr=8-1&keywords=E5-1650+v3

2. Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU cooler > $31.

3. Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4 LGA 2011-v3 Intel X99 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard > $240

____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157543&cm_re=asrock_x99_extreme_4-_-13-157-543-_-Product

4. Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM ECC DDR4 2133 (PC4-17000) Server Memory Model CT2K8G4RFS4213 > $244 (£152 Scan.UK)

____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148839&cm_re=Crucial_16GB_%282_x_8GB%29_288-Pin_DDR4_SDRAM_ECC_DDR4_2133_%28PC4-17000%29_Server_Memory-_-20-148-839-_-Product

5. GPU: PNY NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB GDDR5 PCIe Graphics Card (VCQK4200-PB) > $789.

6. Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) ) > $113 (OS, applications, working files) > $113. (£78.30 Scan.UK)
____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148820&cm_re=crucial_mx110-_-20-148-820-_-Product

7. WD BLACK SERIES WD1003FZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive> $75 ( (Files, Backup, System Image)

8. CORSAIR HX Series HX750 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI CrossFire 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready> $130

9. Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24X SATA DVD±RW Internal Drive w/o Software (Black) SH-224DB $17.99

10. LIAN LI PC-A75X No Power Supply ATX Full Tower Case (Black) CA-A75 >$170

10A . Corsair Obsidian 750D Large Tower Case Black with Side Window No PSU > £124.50 Scan UK)
____ http://www.scan.co.uk/products/corsair-obsidian-750d-black-full-tower-case-aluminium-steel-with-side-window-3x140mm-fans-usb-30-e-a

11. Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit w/ SP1 (1-Pack, DVD), OEM MSFQC04649 > $138.99 (U.K)

________________________________________________________

TOTAL = $ 2,506

So, an idea to demonstrate the general idea.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 six-core @ 3.7 /4.0GHz > 16GB DDR3 ECC 1866 RAM > Quadro K2200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > Logitech z2300 > Linksys AE3000 USB WiFi > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440) > Windows 7 Professional 64 >
[ Passmark Rating = 4918 > CPU= 13941 / 2D= 823 / 3D=3464 / Mem= 2669 / Disk= 4764]

Dell Precision T5500 (2011) > Xeon X5680 six -core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz, 24GB DDR3 ECC 1333 > Quadro 4000 (2GB ) > Samsung 840 250GB /WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card> Linksys WMP600N PCI WiFi > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (1920 X 1440)
[ Passmark system rating = 3339 / CPU = 9347 / 2D= 684 / 3D= 2030 / Mem= 1871 / Disk= 2234]

 

[LemonBear]

oops sorry about that, list is not private now.

 

[LemonBear]

Gooday LemonBear,

In my view- which is a bit conservative as regards workstations is that the demands of visualisation programmes- especially animation, have progressed to a point that it now may be necessary to optimize for content creation entirely and if there is a reasonable content consumption capability - games- that's a bonus. If, however your work involves game design and animation, that's another issue and important to consider.

Given the most demanding potential use of the most demanding programme- and I'm imagining this is f/x processed animation in Maya, I'd recommend an LGA2011-3 system > ECC RAM > Qaudro system. The ECC is in respect of the proper calculation of particles, shadows, and reflections as the Quadro is likewise. As it happens, the GTX 580 were 590 are wide bandwidth (384 and 2X 384-bit) have a good amount of RAM and CUDa cores, and I think, were almost uniquely good in the GTX world for video editing. The GTX 980 may also perform well for the same reasons, but if you're using a lot of textures in Maya, the Quadro drivers may be set up for more accurate particle, shadow, and reflections, plus better anti-aliiasing and viewport support. there are drivers for Quadros that can run x128 anti-aliasing as compared to x16 for GTX.

As I wasn't allowed to view your "private" system on pccasegear, I don't know the amount of RAM used and drive sizes, but here's a generic system idea in US $ :

BambiBoom PixelCannon Cadamodarendergrapharific iWork TurboBlast ExtremeSignature SuperModel 8000 ®©$$™®£™©™_ 4.19.15

1. CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1650 v3 Six-Core Processor 3.5 / 3.8GHz 0GT/s 15MB LGA 2011-v3 CPU> $575

____ http://ark.intel.com/products/82765/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1650-v3-15M-Cache-3_50-GHz
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E51650V3BX
____ http://www.amazon.com/XEON-E5-1650V3-6C-3-5G-15MB/dp/B00MU045JU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411580728&sr=8-1&keywords=E5-1650+v3

2. Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU cooler > $31.

3. Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4 LGA 2011-v3 Intel X99 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard > $240

____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157543&cm_re=asrock_x99_extreme_4-_-13-157-543-_-Product

4. Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM ECC DDR4 2133 (PC4-17000) Server Memory Model CT2K8G4RFS4213 > $244 (£152 Scan.UK)

____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148839&cm_re=Crucial_16GB_%282_x_8GB%29_288-Pin_DDR4_SDRAM_ECC_DDR4_2133_%28PC4-17000%29_Server_Memory-_-20-148-839-_-Product

5. GPU: PNY NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB GDDR5 PCIe Graphics Card (VCQK4200-PB) > $789.

6. Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) ) > $113 (OS, applications, working files) > $113. (£78.30 Scan.UK)
____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148820&cm_re=crucial_mx110-_-20-148-820-_-Product

7. WD BLACK SERIES WD1003FZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive> $75 ( (Files, Backup, System Image)

8. CORSAIR HX Series HX750 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI CrossFire 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready> $130

9. Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24X SATA DVD±RW Internal Drive w/o Software (Black) SH-224DB $17.99

10. LIAN LI PC-A75X No Power Supply ATX Full Tower Case (Black) CA-A75 >$170

10A . Corsair Obsidian 750D Large Tower Case Black with Side Window No PSU > £124.50 Scan UK)
____ http://www.scan.co.uk/products/corsair-obsidian-750d-black-full-tower-case-aluminium-steel-with-side-window-3x140mm-fans-usb-30-e-a

11. Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit w/ SP1 (1-Pack, DVD), OEM MSFQC04649 > $138.99 (U.K)

________________________________________________________

TOTAL = $ 2,506

So, an idea to demonstrate the general idea.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 six-core @ 3.7 /4.0GHz > 16GB DDR3 ECC 1866 RAM > Quadro K2200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > Logitech z2300 > Linksys AE3000 USB WiFi > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440) > Windows 7 Professional 64 >
[ Passmark Rating = 4918 > CPU= 13941 / 2D= 823 / 3D=3464 / Mem= 2669 / Disk= 4764]

Dell Precision T5500 (2011) > Xeon X5680 six -core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz, 24GB DDR3 ECC 1333 > Quadro 4000 (2GB ) > Samsung 840 250GB /WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card> Linksys WMP600N PCI WiFi > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (1920 X 1440)
[ Passmark system rating = 3339 / CPU = 9347 / 2D= 684 / 3D= 2030 / Mem= 1871 / Disk= 2234]



[/quotemsg]

Sorry, i have made the list non -private.
After reading your build i guess my next question would be ....is the extra $ put into Xeon and ECC memory worth the performance increase towards Renderring and Gaming?

And If so my assumption would be, to make full use of having a XEON and get a 8 core for the renderring side, As from what i understand games will not benefit from the additional cores?

 

[bambiboom]

LemonBear wrote:

Sorry, i have made the list non -private.
After reading your build i guess my next question would be ....is the extra $ put into Xeon and ECC memory worth the performance increase towards Renderring and Gaming?

And If so my assumption would be, to make full use of having a XEON and get a 8 core for the renderring side, As from what i understand games will not benefit from the additional cores?[

LemonBear,

My attitude is that workstations and gaming systems are becoming more specialised such that the priority use may not benefit the other use- an optimized workstation will not be brilliant at gaming- unless the GPU is quite near the top end, and a gaming system may be actually terrible at some workstation uses. If you use Solidworks for example, in certain sub-programs, a $175 AMD V-series might work better than a GTX Titan. However, a GTX 580 is apparently a great video editing card, so it's become very particular to the exact programmes and use.

As for the core / thread count, rendering is one o the few applications that can use all the avaialble cores - scientific applications can too- and when f/x processing every frame of an animation, a dual 8-core Xeon E5 might reduce the run time by days over a 4-core Xeon E3. However, games are almost all single-threaded, so gaming speed is going to depend on the CPU clock speed and GPU. A Quadro is made to render and resolve every frame fully, while a GTX has a "good enough get on with it" approach for maximum FPS.

Cheers,

BamibBoom