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In spite of the fact that I still have lots of work to do on my Space Marine
army, and I've got partial Tyrannid, Space Ork, and Eldar armies to
build, I've decided to start building the Imperial Guard army that I've been
dreaming about since getting back into 40k. As a reasult I bought a Cadian
Battleforce box, and a Cadian HQ Command Squad box last Friday.

Looking through the Codex collection I picked up a few months ago when a
local store had a very good sale, I'm wondering, which came first? The "Eye
of Terror Codex" with the Cadian list, or the new "Imperial Guard Codex"?
It looks like both came out in 2003. Probably not very important, since I
think I'll design my IG force from scratch using the doctrines in the back
of the IG book.

Another question came up last night when I started building one of my
infantry squads. What is the bit on the squad sprue that would hang from a
belt, and looks a lot like a hat box. I'm guessing it's a magazine for the
Grenade launcher, but am not sure.

Finally, it looks like the stuff I bought is only good for about 444 points.
Any advice on what to get next? I'm thinking I need to get the $30 box of
Cadian Shock Troops, or the $50 box with a Chimera and 10 troops, and a
blister of Lieutenants. In the long run I'll probably want at least one
or two more Cadian Battleforce boxes, and at least one Basilisk.

I've decided to take a different stance with my IG Army than my others. I'm
planning on building the everything so I can use the army, and then painting
a few at a time (the exception will likely be the vehicles which will
probably be painted first). Basically I'm tired of half finished armies
that I can't actually use, and have decided I might as well not wait till
they're painted.

Zane
 
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healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:
> In spite of the fact that I still have lots of work to do on my Space Marine
> army, and I've got partial Tyrannid, Space Ork, and Eldar armies to
> build, I've decided to start building the Imperial Guard army that I've been
> dreaming about since getting back into 40k.

Heh.

> As a reasult I bought a Cadian Battleforce box,

The Battleforce is pretty good: 1 Leman Russ, 20 Guys, and 3 Heavy
teams is worth $90 (as far as these things go). Buy another.

> and a Cadian HQ Command Squad box last Friday.

Why? You can convert everything except the Melta, which you should just
in the Special Weapons blister.

Hopefully, you didn't open this, so you can just return it towards that
2nd Battleforce.

> Any advice on what to get next?

Special Weapons, then AF squad.

> I'm thinking I need to get the $30 box of Cadian Shock Troops,

This is OK.

> or the $50 box with a Chimera and 10 troops,

This is better.

> and a blister of Lieutenants.

Nah. Convert from the rest. The blister you want is the special weapons.

> In the long run I'll probably want at least one
> or two more Cadian Battleforce boxes,

Yes.

> and at least one Basilisk.

You don't need this. You already have a Russ, which is vastly harder to
destroy, has similar effective range and firepower for any normal
(4'x6') board.

Ideally, you take 2 Demolishers to spearhead AF and Hellhound advances,
supported by 1 Russ providing covering fire.

> I've decided to take a different stance with my IG Army than my others. I'm
> planning on building the everything so I can use the army, and then painting

Good plan.


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In article <d004o00h26@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com,
healyzh@aracnet.com Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
> In spite of the fact that I still have lots of work to do on my Space Marine
> army, and I've got partial Tyrannid, Space Ork, and Eldar armies to
> build, I've decided to start building the Imperial Guard army that I've been
> dreaming about since getting back into 40k. As a reasult I bought a Cadian
> Battleforce box, and a Cadian HQ Command Squad box last Friday.
>
Crack addict! 😉

> Looking through the Codex collection I picked up a few months ago when a
> local store had a very good sale, I'm wondering, which came first? The "Eye
> of Terror Codex" with the Cadian list, or the new "Imperial Guard Codex"?
> It looks like both came out in 2003. Probably not very important, since I
> think I'll design my IG force from scratch using the doctrines in the back
> of the IG book.

The EOT book came first, and is replaced by the later version of
the IG Codex. Go by the IG codex as it's the 'current' rules set for
4th until the 'new' IG codex comes out.

>
> Another question came up last night when I started building one of my
> infantry squads. What is the bit on the squad sprue that would hang from a
> belt, and looks a lot like a hat box. I'm guessing it's a magazine for the
> Grenade launcher, but am not sure.

Yeah, that's what it is.
>
> Finally, it looks like the stuff I bought is only good for about 444 points.
> Any advice on what to get next? I'm thinking I need to get the $30 box of
> Cadian Shock Troops, or the $50 box with a Chimera and 10 troops, and a
> blister of Lieutenants. In the long run I'll probably want at least one
> or two more Cadian Battleforce boxes, and at least one Basilisk.

Go with the troopers. You can use them in any case, and you'll
need to get a lot of them painted before worrying about the 'extras'.
When it comes time for the Hvy Weapons - buy the big squad box with 3
teams. If you work it right, you'll get 3 tripod weapons, 3 Rocket
Launchers, and 3 Mortor teams out of a single box.
>
> I've decided to take a different stance with my IG Army than my others. I'm
> planning on building the everything so I can use the army, and then painting
> a few at a time (the exception will likely be the vehicles which will
> probably be painted first). Basically I'm tired of half finished armies
> that I can't actually use, and have decided I might as well not wait till
> they're painted.
>
> Zane

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Myrmidon wrote:
> In article <d004o00h26@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com,
> healyzh@aracnet.com Varfed out the following in Timo speak...

<snip>

>>Looking through the Codex collection I picked up a few months ago when a
>>local store had a very good sale, I'm wondering, which came first? The "Eye
>>of Terror Codex" with the Cadian list, or the new "Imperial Guard Codex"?
>>It looks like both came out in 2003. Probably not very important, since I
>>think I'll design my IG force from scratch using the doctrines in the back
>>of the IG book.
>
> The EOT book came first, and is replaced by the later version of
> the IG Codex. Go by the IG codex as it's the 'current' rules set for
> 4th until the 'new' IG codex comes out.

ISTR the Cadian list from C:EoT is actually a doctrined list created
from the draft of C:IG, and the only differences between the EoT and the
7-doctrine list for them in IG are some very mior rules differences (EoT
Karskin squads have to take a VS, for examle, and I think the Cadian
pattern Sentinel cost is 5pts different.

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Myrmidon <ImNot@home.com> wrote:
> In article <d004o00h26@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com,
> healyzh@aracnet.com Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
> > dreaming about since getting back into 40k. As a reasult I bought a
> > Cadian Battleforce box, and a Cadian HQ Command Squad box last Friday.
> >
> Crack addict! 😉

I know :^( What can I say, I guess my tastes have changed some since I
bought most of the rest of the stuff 12+ years ago.

> The EOT book came first, and is replaced by the later version of
> the IG Codex. Go by the IG codex as it's the 'current' rules set for
> 4th until the 'new' IG codex comes out.

I've already got the latest IG Codex, I was largely just curious as to where
the EOT Codex fell.

> Go with the troopers. You can use them in any case, and you'll
> need to get a lot of them painted before worrying about the 'extras'.
> When it comes time for the Hvy Weapons - buy the big squad box with 3
> teams. If you work it right, you'll get 3 tripod weapons, 3 Rocket
> Launchers, and 3 Mortor teams out of a single box.

OK, any advice on how to pull that off, since I haven't started building the
three teams that came in the Battleforce box?

Zane
 
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In article <d00ebd0315q@enews3.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com,
healyzh@aracnet.com Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
> Myrmidon <ImNot@home.com> wrote:
> > In article <d004o00h26@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com,
> > healyzh@aracnet.com Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
> > > dreaming about since getting back into 40k. As a reasult I bought a
> > > Cadian Battleforce box, and a Cadian HQ Command Squad box last Friday.
> > >
> > Crack addict! 😉
>
> I know :^( What can I say, I guess my tastes have changed some since I
> bought most of the rest of the stuff 12+ years ago.

Hehe - you've got miniatures that are older than Craig Little! :)
Ok, not quite - but close. I've got gaming suppliments older than him,
and AD&D figures too.
>
> > The EOT book came first, and is replaced by the later version of
> > the IG Codex. Go by the IG codex as it's the 'current' rules set for
> > 4th until the 'new' IG codex comes out.
>
> I've already got the latest IG Codex, I was largely just curious as to where
> the EOT Codex fell.
>
Just prior to the release of the IG codex. You know - that great
big EOT campaign that changed diddly squat. Oh wait - some penal planet
near Cadia (that you've never heard of) exploded.

> > Go with the troopers. You can use them in any case, and you'll
> > need to get a lot of them painted before worrying about the 'extras'.
> > When it comes time for the Hvy Weapons - buy the big squad box with 3
> > teams. If you work it right, you'll get 3 tripod weapons, 3 Rocket
> > Launchers, and 3 Mortor teams out of a single box.
>
> OK, any advice on how to pull that off, since I haven't started building the
> three teams that came in the Battleforce box?

This is why I recommended getting the second box of troopers. You've
got six kneeling figures - you can use 3 of them for your tripod
gunners, 3 standing minis as missile launcher gunners, and either 3
standing or 3 kneeling minis as your mortar gunners. If you don't use
the other 3 kneeling minis as mortar gunners, you can mix them in with
the line troops, or use them for sniper conversions. You then fill out
the rest of the 'ammo handler' slots with standing figures since they're
pretty much extraneous any way. This way for the price of 2 boxes - you
get 9 total weapons teams. I'm following a recommendation by Maka, and
putting my tripods on the 30mm bases, and the gunners on their own
standard (25mm?) bases. The reason for this is so the damn weapons
crews will actually fit in any sort of terrain, like city fight etc,
rather than those giant costers they come with. I'm also being thrifty
and putting rare-earth magnets in my tripods and on the guns so I can
switch between any of the tripod weapons (Las/AC/Hvy.Bolter) as desired.

Myrmidon

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Myrmidon <ImNot@home.com> wrote:
> In article <d00ebd0315q@enews3.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com,
> > I know :^( What can I say, I guess my tastes have changed some since I
> > bought most of the rest of the stuff 12+ years ago.

> Hehe - you've got miniatures that are older than Craig Little! :)
> Ok, not quite - but close. I've got gaming suppliments older than him,
> and AD&D figures too.

That's just when I got into Games Workshop stuff, I'd already been gaming
for over a decade, and have tons of stuff older than that :^)

> > I've already got the latest IG Codex, I was largely just curious as to
> > where the EOT Codex fell.
> >
> Just prior to the release of the IG codex. You know - that great
> big EOT campaign that changed diddly squat. Oh wait - some penal planet
> near Cadia (that you've never heard of) exploded.

What you want something as Galaxy shattering as when all the Squat worlds
dropped out of the Universe, or whatever happened to the "Titan Kights"
worlds (can't remember what they were called, and don't feel like looking it
up). :^/ Or how the Slaan, Zoats, and Genestealer Cults have all disappeared?
The one of those that really bugs me is the Genestealer Cults for the simple
reason I think they're a cool army. I never got any Squats or that would
bother me as well (though one of these days I need to pick up a couple for
the Inquisition force I'm working on).

Overall, they seem to have done some good things with the Universe in the
time since I last payed any attention to it, but they've definitely done
some irritating things as well.

> > OK, any advice on how to pull that off, since I haven't started building
> > the three teams that came in the Battleforce box?

> This is why I recommended getting the second box of troopers. You've
> got six kneeling figures - you can use 3 of them for your tripod
> gunners, 3 standing minis as missile launcher gunners, and either 3
> standing or 3 kneeling minis as your mortar gunners. If you don't use
> the other 3 kneeling minis as mortar gunners, you can mix them in with
> the line troops, or use them for sniper conversions. You then fill out
> the rest of the 'ammo handler' slots with standing figures since they're
> pretty much extraneous any way. This way for the price of 2 boxes - you
> get 9 total weapons teams. I'm following a recommendation by Maka, and
> putting my tripods on the 30mm bases, and the gunners on their own
> standard (25mm?) bases. The reason for this is so the damn weapons
> crews will actually fit in any sort of terrain, like city fight etc,
> rather than those giant costers they come with. I'm also being thrifty
> and putting rare-earth magnets in my tripods and on the guns so I can
> switch between any of the tripod weapons (Las/AC/Hvy.Bolter) as desired.

Interesting, I was wondering if this wasn't along the lines of what you had
in mind. Something else I noticed is that you can pick up the Heavy Weapons
crew sprues for all of $6 apiece. I think I might do a combination of your
idea, with a couple extra squad sprues. I'll also take a look at mounting
the weapons and crews seperatly, I'd noticed that the large base could be a
problem, based on how things were going for the IG player in the League I'm
in. I'd already been considering setting it up so I could swap tripod
mounted weapons, but I hadn't thought of the rare-earth magnets.

Zane
 
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> What you want something as Galaxy shattering as when all the Squat worlds
> dropped out of the Universe, or whatever happened to the "Titan Kights"
> worlds (can't remember what they were called, and don't feel like looking
> it
> up).

The Knight Worlds are still around. In the loyalist order of battle in the
EoT codex, a couple of the Knight Households are listed. Also, there is an
Adeptus Mechanicus Titan Legions list being playtested for Epic:A right now,
which has Knight units in it.

Eob
 
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John Hwang <JohnHwangCSI@cs.com.no.com> wrote:
> healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:
> > and a Cadian HQ Command Squad box last Friday.

> Why? You can convert everything except the Melta, which you should just
> in the Special Weapons blister.

> Hopefully, you didn't open this, so you can just return it towards that
> 2nd Battleforce.

After some thought it wasn't a good choice as a 2nd purchase, a better
choice would have been the $30 box of troops, but I'll probably keep it.

> > and at least one Basilisk.

> You don't need this. You already have a Russ, which is vastly harder to
> destroy, has similar effective range and firepower for any normal
> (4'x6') board.

> Ideally, you take 2 Demolishers to spearhead AF and Hellhound advances,
> supported by 1 Russ providing covering fire.

I'll admit the Basilisk probably isn't a sound choice for my army, my
problem is I *really* like the model. Even if I don't actually field it, I
will be getting one.

> > I've decided to take a different stance with my IG Army than my others.
> > I'm planning on building the everything so I can use the army, and then
> > painting

> Good plan.

I think so, at the rate I paint, if I don't do this, it will be a minimum of
a year or two before I have enough done up to play.

Zane
 
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healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:
> John Hwang <JohnHwangCSI@cs.com.no.com> wrote:

>>>and a Cadian HQ Command Squad box last Friday.
>>
>>Why? You can convert everything except the Melta, which you should
>>just in the Special Weapons blister.
>>
>>Hopefully, you didn't open this, so you can just return it towards that
>>2nd Battleforce.
>
> After some thought it wasn't a good choice as a 2nd purchase, a better
> choice would have been the $30 box of troops, but I'll probably keep it.

Oh, well...

>>>and at least one Basilisk.
>>
>>You don't need this. You already have a Russ, which is vastly harder
>>to destroy, has similar effective range and firepower for any normal
>>(4'x6') board.
>>
>>Ideally, you take 2 Demolishers to spearhead AF and Hellhound advances,
>>supported by 1 Russ providing covering fire.
>
> I'll admit the Basilisk probably isn't a sound choice for my army,
> my problem is I *really* like the model.

Cool, why didn't you say so? 😉

> I think so, at the rate I paint, if I don't do this, it will be a minimum of
> a year or two before I have enough done up to play.

But you're assembling first, so it's not so bad.

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John Hwang <JohnHwangCSI@cs.com.no.com> wrote:
> healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:
> > John Hwang <JohnHwangCSI@cs.com.no.com> wrote:

> >>Hopefully, you didn't open this, so you can just return it towards that
> >>2nd Battleforce.
> >
> > After some thought it wasn't a good choice as a 2nd purchase, a better
> > choice would have been the $30 box of troops, but I'll probably keep it.

> Oh, well...

Actually I've been giving this some serious thought and I've changed my
mind. I'm going to go ahead and return the Command Squad and put the $35
either towards the $30 box of troops or maybe towards a 2nd Battleforce box.
There are a couple reasons for this, one of which is that after giving it
some thought, that commander doesn't really fit into the army I'm building
(plus he is pretty lame looking). The other thing is that I realized I
already have one of the original lead IG Commander blisters, and it makes
more sense at least initially to simply use that (though since they're lead,
I'll have to make sure I put at least a quick paint job on them).

In the long run I'm considering getting some Mordian figures for my
Officers, though I'm not sure yet as I've not finalized how I want the
officers to look. There is a lot to be said for your idea of converting
from basic troops, at least for the Junior Officers, but I think I want my
Commander to be "flashy", and the Mordian figures seem to be a good fit for
that. I am going to be building an IG army of my own design rather than
Cadian.

> > I think so, at the rate I paint, if I don't do this, it will be a
> > minimum of a year or two before I have enough done up to play.

> But you're assembling first, so it's not so bad.

Yeah, I've now got two squads assembled, and started in on the Heavy weapons
last night. I'm hoping that by next weekend I'll have a playable 500pt
force put together, and a couple figures painted.

Zane
 
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