[40k][WFB] help converting Rough Riders!

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Like the title says, I was hoping some of the RGMW readers who were more
familiar with the WFB minis could help me out. I've been working on a Lost
and the Damned army for the "Tale of RGMW Gamers" idea that Philip started
up, and one of the options I'm considering for month 3 (month 2 has already
been laid out) is a unit of traitor Rough Riders. The available 40k RRs
cost too much, which when added to the fact that I don't like them, makes
them a no deal. But I'll have lots of leftover Cadian bitz, and I thought
one of the WFB plastic cavalry units would make a good low-cost,
conversion-friendly alternative. Here's where I could use some help from
people who've seen the minis in question in real life.

My first preference was the High Elven Silver Helms. With spare Cadian
heads, I don't think they'll look totally Elven, and I was thinking that
with an appropriate dull olive drab or dark grey paint job, the "barding" on
the horses and riders' legs might look like some kind of Kevlar or quilted
ballistic armor. However, I can't tell from looking at the pictures of the
sprues in the catalog how much Elven iconography is plastered all over the
rider's bodies.

If the Silver Helms wouldn't work, my other choice was Empire Knights. I
figure that, again, bitz swapping plus an appropriate paint job could make
the hardshell armor on the horses look like some high-tech ceramic or
something. The rider's armor seems a little bulkier

So the big question is, which of the two would wind up fitting in with
Cadian parts better? Like I said, I sort of prefer the Silver Helms, but
the Empire guys would be an acceptable second choice. For the hunting
lances, I'd just cobble together some kind of doohickey to stick on the side
of the lancepoint, I figure - assuming I even use any. I'm uncertain as to
the rules effect of the "one use only" for the lances. I guess once they're
gone, you just treat the RR as if he has a single CCW? I might give a few
of these guys shotguns or CCW/laspistols.

--
Ken Coble
 
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"Kenneth Coble" <flintlocklaser@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Like the title says, I was hoping some of the RGMW readers who were more
> familiar with the WFB minis could help me out. I've been working on a
Lost
> and the Damned army for the "Tale of RGMW Gamers" idea that Philip started

Use Beastman Centigors with high tech doodads.
 
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"Kenneth Coble" <flintlocklaser@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5qMBd.15026$B66.339562@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> Like the title says, I was hoping some of the RGMW readers who were more
> familiar with the WFB minis could help me out. I've been working on a
Lost
> and the Damned army for the "Tale of RGMW Gamers" idea that Philip started
> up, and one of the options I'm considering for month 3 (month 2 has
already
> been laid out) is a unit of traitor Rough Riders. The available 40k RRs
> cost too much, which when added to the fact that I don't like them, makes
> them a no deal. But I'll have lots of leftover Cadian bitz, and I thought
> one of the WFB plastic cavalry units would make a good low-cost,
> conversion-friendly alternative. Here's where I could use some help from
> people who've seen the minis in question in real life.
>
> My first preference was the High Elven Silver Helms. With spare Cadian
> heads, I don't think they'll look totally Elven, and I was thinking that
> with an appropriate dull olive drab or dark grey paint job, the "barding"
on
> the horses and riders' legs might look like some kind of Kevlar or quilted
> ballistic armor. However, I can't tell from looking at the pictures of
the
> sprues in the catalog how much Elven iconography is plastered all over the
> rider's bodies.
>
> If the Silver Helms wouldn't work, my other choice was Empire Knights. I
> figure that, again, bitz swapping plus an appropriate paint job could make
> the hardshell armor on the horses look like some high-tech ceramic or
> something. The rider's armor seems a little bulkier
>
> So the big question is, which of the two would wind up fitting in with
> Cadian parts better? Like I said, I sort of prefer the Silver Helms, but
> the Empire guys would be an acceptable second choice. For the hunting
> lances, I'd just cobble together some kind of doohickey to stick on the
side
> of the lancepoint, I figure - assuming I even use any. I'm uncertain as
to
> the rules effect of the "one use only" for the lances. I guess once
they're
> gone, you just treat the RR as if he has a single CCW? I might give a few
> of these guys shotguns or CCW/laspistols.
>
> --
> Ken Coble
>

What about bretonian horses? The might look ok if you paint thier cloth in
cammo colours. I dont really think any of the knight models (elf, emipre or
bretonnia) would look good with the cadian range... though I havent seen
them in pieces, it might be possible to use a cadian torso and arms with the
knights legs?

What is the theme of your army, if it is more cult based (as opposed to
military force based) you could use the elf knight armour as slaneshi
cultists or something I guess.

I think your best bet might be bretonnian horses with camo paint on thier
cloth and see what it looks like using the knights legs with cadian torso
and arms.

Erik C
 
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In article <5qMBd.15026$B66.339562@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Kenneth Coble"
<flintlocklaser@triad.rr.com> writes:

>My first preference was the High Elven Silver Helms. With spare Cadian
>heads, I don't think they'll look totally Elven, and I was thinking that
>with an appropriate dull olive drab or dark grey paint job, the "barding" on
>the horses and riders' legs might look like some kind of Kevlar or quilted
>ballistic armor.

Not really - there are some obvious metallic decorations (the wings of the
head) and a number of gems.

However, I can't tell from looking at the pictures of the
>sprues in the catalog how much Elven iconography is plastered all over the
>rider's bodies.

There are a few crescent-moon symbols on the legs and arms, but while these
aren't very noticeable the breastplates are all fairly decorated with Elvish
rays, gems, the usual. Also, they're clearly metal breastplates and noticeably
mediaeval in design, with the little rivet-shield things (forget what they're
called) to either side of the chest. The leg armour is very clearly Elven as
well - even if you can get away with calling that quilting on the horse, how to
explain it on the riders?

Philip Bowles
 
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"Kenneth Coble" <flintlocklaser@triad.rr.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:5qMBd.15026$B66.339562@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> Like the title says, I was hoping some of the RGMW readers who were more
> familiar with the WFB minis could help me out. I've been working on a
> Lost and the Damned army for the "Tale of RGMW Gamers" idea that Philip
> started up, and one of the options I'm considering for month 3 (month 2
> has already been laid out) is a unit of traitor Rough Riders. The
> available 40k RRs cost too much, which when added to the fact that I don't
> like them, makes them a no deal. But I'll have lots of leftover Cadian
> bitz, and I thought one of the WFB plastic cavalry units would make a good
> low-cost, conversion-friendly alternative. Here's where I could use some
> help from people who've seen the minis in question in real life.
>
> My first preference was the High Elven Silver Helms. With spare Cadian
> heads, I don't think they'll look totally Elven, and I was thinking that
> with an appropriate dull olive drab or dark grey paint job, the "barding"
> on the horses and riders' legs might look like some kind of Kevlar or
> quilted ballistic armor. However, I can't tell from looking at the
> pictures of the sprues in the catalog how much Elven iconography is
> plastered all over the rider's bodies.
>
> If the Silver Helms wouldn't work, my other choice was Empire Knights. I
> figure that, again, bitz swapping plus an appropriate paint job could make
> the hardshell armor on the horses look like some high-tech ceramic or
> something. The rider's armor seems a little bulkier
>
> So the big question is, which of the two would wind up fitting in with
> Cadian parts better? Like I said, I sort of prefer the Silver Helms, but
> the Empire guys would be an acceptable second choice. For the hunting
> lances, I'd just cobble together some kind of doohickey to stick on the
> side of the lancepoint, I figure - assuming I even use any. I'm uncertain
> as to the rules effect of the "one use only" for the lances. I guess once
> they're gone, you just treat the RR as if he has a single CCW? I might
> give a few of these guys shotguns or CCW/laspistols.

I haven't seen it in nature, but "Grail Knight Legs 1; 020309319" look as if
you could use them with cadian stuff. Add a horse or similiar animal
"Classic Medieval Horse Body Spruce; 99389999003" and a head "Classic
Warhammer Medieval Horse Head Spruce; 99389999013" and you end up with 6$
for each horse. 38,50 $ for 5 rough riders.

--
Ecke

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P Bowles wrote:
> In article <5qMBd.15026$B66.339562@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
> "Kenneth Coble" <flintlocklaser@triad.rr.com> writes:
>
>> My first preference was the High Elven Silver Helms. With spare
>> Cadian heads, I don't think they'll look totally Elven, and I was
>> thinking that with an appropriate dull olive drab or dark grey paint
>> job, the "barding" on the horses and riders' legs might look like
>> some kind of Kevlar or quilted ballistic armor.
>
> Not really - there are some obvious metallic decorations (the wings
> of the head) and a number of gems.
>
> However, I can't tell from looking at the pictures of the
>> sprues in the catalog how much Elven iconography is plastered all
>> over the rider's bodies.
>
> There are a few crescent-moon symbols on the legs and arms, but while
> these aren't very noticeable the breastplates are all fairly
> decorated with Elvish rays, gems, the usual. Also, they're clearly
> metal breastplates and noticeably mediaeval in design, with the
> little rivet-shield things (forget what they're called) to either
> side of the chest. The leg armour is very clearly Elven as well -
> even if you can get away with calling that quilting on the horse, how
> to explain it on the riders?
>
> Philip Bowles


Damn... well, do you think I could get away with the Empire Knights then? I
will be giving the RR unit Carapace armor, after all...

--
Ken Coble

Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world.
-Kaiser Wilhelm
 
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Erik wrote:

>
> What about bretonian horses? The might look ok if you paint thier
> cloth in cammo colours. I dont really think any of the knight models
> (elf, emipre or bretonnia) would look good with the cadian range...
> though I havent seen them in pieces, it might be possible to use a
> cadian torso and arms with the knights legs?

Hmm... to me, the cloth-covered bret horses look even more "medieval" than
the armored Empire ones. As for mixing in Cadian torsos, the unit in
question is for Philip's "Tale of RGMW Gamers" thought experiment, so cost
is the premium issue for me.

> What is the theme of your army, if it is more cult based (as opposed
> to military force based) you could use the elf knight armour as
> slaneshi cultists or something I guess.

It's made up of Traitors and Nurgle mutants/zombies/etc. Probably the High
Elf look will be all wrong.

> I think your best bet might be bretonnian horses with camo paint on
> thier cloth and see what it looks like using the knights legs with
> cadian torso and arms.
>
> Erik C

Well, if I have to convert that heavily, I might just buy the plain horse
bitz - but I think that will wind up costing me more than $30 US for 8
RRs... if I have to do that, I'm buying Cold One sprues instead of horses!

--
Ken Coble

Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world.
-Kaiser Wilhelm
 
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Donovan Borman wrote:
> "Kenneth Coble" <flintlocklaser@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:5qMBd.15026$B66.339562@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>> Like the title says, I was hoping some of the RGMW readers who were
>> more familiar with the WFB minis could help me out. I've been
>> working on a Lost and the Damned army for the "Tale of RGMW Gamers"
>> idea that Philip started
>
> Use Beastman Centigors with high tech doodads.

Hmm... this is a good possibility. But since this is a creepy LatD army,
maybe I'll roll my own, so to speak. 2 Cadian sprues + 10 horse bodies (no
heads) = 10 RRs for $29, and either scratch-build my lances or pick up a
Skaven clanrat sprue to get 6 (admittedly short and primitive looking)
spears for $5, plus more oddball bitz for my spooky Nurgly mutants (Skaven
tails = icky slimy tentacles).

The one flaw would be that if I ever did build this army, I obviously
couldn't dual-purpose the RRs as loyalist Imperial Guard if they're horrible
centaur mutants. Still, I like this idea a lot. This might be the way I'll
go in the "Tale of RGMW" thing, at least.

I have to confess, I started this LatD army just to play along with the
thought experiment, but I am getting more and more into the army as I go
along. I might wind up actually building this thing one day...

--
Ken Coble

Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world.
-Kaiser Wilhelm
 
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Myrmidon wrote:

> I'm in the exact same spot. I got a good deal on some WFB plastic
> cold ones to use as mounts, but I still haven't found a good set of
> generic (preferably plastic) rider legs to use with the cadian upper
> torso and arm sets. Figuring out what I'm going to use as lances is
> another issue as well.
>
> Myrmidon

I totally agree. The legs are the big hassle in this equation I know
chopping up standard Cadian legs and repositioning them would be beyond me.
There's the one set of "bowlegged" Catachan legs that come on their sprue,
but even they would require some surgery, not to mention that there's only
one of that style per Catachan sprue and stealing it would leave one
Rambo-lookalike legless.

GW, if you're listening, you could increase sales of all your cavalry stuff
for 40k with a simple, nondescript set of plastic horesman legs. The metal
"fur boots and cape" ones don't cut it.

--
Ken Coble

Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world.
-Kaiser Wilhelm
 
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"Kenneth Coble" <flintlocklaser@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> GW, if you're listening, you could increase sales of all your cavalry
stuff
> for 40k with a simple, nondescript set of plastic horesman legs. The
metal
> "fur boots and cape" ones don't cut it.

Hmmmmmmmm! (adds to list of stuff to sculpt and resin cast) MWAHAHAHA!!!
 
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"Kenneth Coble" <flintlocklaser@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5qMBd.15026$B66.339562@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> Like the title says, I was hoping some of the RGMW readers who were more
> familiar with the WFB minis could help me out. I've been working on a
Lost
> and the Damned army for the "Tale of RGMW Gamers" idea that Philip started
> up, and one of the options I'm considering for month 3 (month 2 has
already
> been laid out) is a unit of traitor Rough Riders. The available 40k RRs
> cost too much, which when added to the fact that I don't like them, makes
> them a no deal. But I'll have lots of leftover Cadian bitz, and I thought
> one of the WFB plastic cavalry units would make a good low-cost,
> conversion-friendly alternative. Here's where I could use some help from
> people who've seen the minis in question in real life.

One thing that I built for an aborted army was jump pack cadians.
Basically, take a cadian, cut and reposition his legs so he looks like he's
leaning forward, cut out his lasgun and give him some sort of lance held in
both hands (any thin dowel will work), slap a jump pack on his back, and
position him on a cavalry base. Adding some wiring makes them look more
hi-tech, and I found it easiest to simply putty on some "mittens" to hold
the spear. Of course, any wings will work in a LatD army, not just the jump
pack. While it's kind of a pain in the ass conversion, it looks ok and is
really cheap. (10 RRs for $45, plus you still have 10 cadians) If you
like, I can take some pictures of my prototype. I'm pretty new to modeling,
but I think it looks all right.

Karyth Teel
 
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Karyth Teel wrote:
<snip>
> One thing that I built for an aborted army was jump pack cadians.
> Basically, take a cadian, cut and reposition his legs so he looks
> like he's leaning forward, cut out his lasgun and give him some sort
> of lance held in both hands (any thin dowel will work), slap a jump
> pack on his back, and position him on a cavalry base. Adding some
> wiring makes them look more hi-tech, and I found it easiest to simply
> putty on some "mittens" to hold the spear. Of course, any wings will
> work in a LatD army, not just the jump pack. While it's kind of a
> pain in the ass conversion, it looks ok and is really cheap. (10 RRs
> for $45, plus you still have 10 cadians) If you like, I can take
> some pictures of my prototype. I'm pretty new to modeling, but I
> think it looks all right.

My e-mail and newsgroup access has been down a few days, but I would
definitely like to see some pictures of your prototype model! Any ideas I
can get are a big help.

--
Ken Coble

Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world.
-Kaiser Wilhelm
 
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"Kenneth Coble" <flintlocklaser@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> My e-mail and newsgroup access has been down a few days, but I would
> definitely like to see some pictures of your prototype model! Any ideas I
> can get are a big help.
>
> --
> Ken Coble

Here's the link. I'ts the only good picture I could get, as my roomate
didn't have his tripod:

http://home.cwru.edu/~spo2/RR.jpg

This model used an Empire Lance from the command sprue, but I'd imagine any
lance thing could work. I hope this helps.

Karyth Teel
 
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"Karyth Teel" <spo2@case.edu> wrote in message
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>
> "Kenneth Coble" <flintlocklaser@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news😱qjFd.19046$dt3.1417183@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>
> > My e-mail and newsgroup access has been down a few days, but I would
> > definitely like to see some pictures of your prototype model! Any ideas
I
> > can get are a big help.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Coble
>
> Here's the link. I'ts the only good picture I could get, as my roomate
> didn't have his tripod:
>
> http://home.cwru.edu/~spo2/RR.jpg
>
> This model used an Empire Lance from the command sprue, but I'd imagine
any
> lance thing could work. I hope this helps.

The posing's pretty good, but I'd go with the archive "turbo-fan" jump pack
(waay smaller) and a simple wire rod with a melta-bomb type thing stuck on
the end would be a perfect one-shot hunting lance ala the Jap and VC "AT
mine on the end of a pole". You could even make it swappable with CCW and
pistol or some such combo for different wargear loadouts...one of these days
I'll get around to doing some. I've only got another 254 projects ahead of
that one😉
 

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