4400 and AMD max temps dont add up...

[Flakes]

ok heres the deal ive been pushing my 4400 X2 AMD as far as i am willing to get it, busy running prime95 to stress test it and current temp under load is 59C.

now personally i think is too high but ive been doing some research on the AMD website for max temp and have come accros two different tables..

this one states max temp 49-71C
http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADV4400DAA6CD

and this one states max temp 49-65C
http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADA4400DAA6CD

the odd thing is that the 49-71 is stated for the 89watt version and the 49-65 for the 110watt version im not sure which one i have, but im gonna assume ill be ok as long i keep the temp under 65C..

yet on most boards and forums i see a stated max temp of 55, basically im wondering if 59 is too hot for this proccessor, currently running at 2.6 Ghz at 1.45v.

 

[neiroatopelcc]

Where do you read the 59 ? from the sensor on the motherboard, or from one of the cores, or where?

I'm quite sure the 65 they refer to as max is on the core internally, and therefore the motherboard thermal sensor should better not reach 65...

I wouldn't go beyond 55C myself, but only because I've read everywhere not to .... like you, I've got no clue if it's because higher temps introduce more frequent errors, or if it's because it dramaticly increases the risk of physical malfunction (frying)

 

[Flakes]

Where do you read the 59 ? from the sensor on the motherboard, or from one of the cores, or where?

I'm quite sure the 65 they refer to as max is on the core internally, and therefore the motherboard thermal sensor should better not reach 65...

I wouldn't go beyond 55C myself, but only because I've read everywhere not to .... like you, I've got no clue if it's because higher temps introduce more frequent errors, or if it's because it dramaticly increases the risk of physical malfunction (frying)

bit of both, higher temps, do cause errors, and also decrease the life of the product, i in all honesty wont go over 60, although i did fry it using supreme commander that ran both cores at 100% temp went to 67 :? , im looking for watercooling at the moment and have put my CPU back to stock clocks for the time being.

the temperature was read using the ASUS utility, its accurate as far as i can tell, a quick boot will show the temp 1 or 2 degrees lower than reported(by BIOS) but thats to be expected.

all i really want to know is why the they state 49-71 instead of just 71 or just 49, my thinking was idle 49, load 71...

 

[neiroatopelcc]

According to this, only the highest temp is the MAX one. I'm not sure how reliable it is, but it looks like a rather trustworthy place to look.

http://www.techarp.com/article/Desktop_CPU_Guide/amd_4_big.png

 

[dipz]

I wouldn't go beyond 55C myself

Are you referring to Core temp here or temp from another sensor? My core temp is ~ 7-10 C higher than my motherboard listed temp. I would like to know if I can push higher with my mobo temp up to 55 C and my core at ~65, or should I keep core temps below 55C(mobo temps ~45C)?

 

[e36_Jeff]

I've got a 4800+, and to be honest, I stop whenever I see temps above 50C. Its not any exact number I saw anywhere, but its well below the stated max temps, and it seems to be a safe number. I'm running at 2.65 at around 1.4V, and I idle at about 35C and max at around 40-45C. Im just using air-cooling, and my case is packed,(7HDDs, 2 optical drives, an 8800GTS, 2PCI cards and 1 PCIe card all in a mid tower), so you may want to up your cooling abilities

 

[neiroatopelcc]

Well according to the chart above the 4400+ processor has a core temp limit of 70 ... which means, that you can physically break the thing by exceeding this level.

I highly doubt it''ll remain stable at 68, which is below the limit .... but how far you can push it before it starts degrading too fast I can't tell you. Don't think many people can actually, cause nobody's experimenting with that sort of thing to my knowledge.

 

[Flakes]

I've got a 4800+, and to be honest, I stop whenever I see temps above 50C. Its not any exact number I saw anywhere, but its well below the stated max temps, and it seems to be a safe number. I'm running at 2.65 at around 1.4V, and I idle at about 35C and max at around 40-45C. Im just using air-cooling, and my case is packed,(7HDDs, 2 optical drives, an 8800GTS, 2PCI cards and 1 PCIe card all in a mid tower), so you may want to up your cooling abilities

hmm what HSF are you using to cool that thing?, im still on stock but looking for something better.

 

[neiroatopelcc]

im still on stock but looking for something better.

get a ninja or a ac freezer .. cheap and effective

 

[lmimmfn]

My OC'd 4200+ runs at 59degrees all the time with a stock fan, even when it wasnt OC'd it was running @ 54-55 degrees max. So i think 58/59 is fine, i do think it is high personally but if AMD are willing to bundle crappy coolers then who am i to argue. On a side note, ive just bought an E6400 and a Scythe( or however its spelt ) CPU cooler as id prefer to keep the system cool when overclocking

 

[Flakes]

i would recommend you check to see you installed that HSF properly, my stock cooler gives around 35 idle and 44 load(when its not OC). make sure that youve got yours seated properly, the AMD stock coolers are very good.

 

[lmimmfn]

thanks for the advice, in systool it says 43 degrees for mobo CPU internal temp
Ive had some bad heatsink experience since i used Jack Daniels to clean the HS paste off my old x850pro to attach a Zalman Infin1ty. One for me..hic..one for the GPU...hic lol. It was from 40 degrees to 80 in under 20 seconds with ATITool, lol, eventually got it sorted

im actually going to do my new build soon and ive ordered artic paste, and im giving my current mobo and 4200+ to the gf, she'll not be running any heavy CPU apps, so ill leave it for the moment, will definately reattach it in a ew months, i wouldnt mind i spent ages lining it up and what not when i attached it. Ill have to make doubly sure the HS attachment for the 6400 is perfect

 

[e36_Jeff]

XP-90C, from thermalright with a 92mm Vantec tornado on it. The mobo controls the speed of the fan based from the temps of the CPU, so it kicks into high speed mode(very loud) at about 44C, the rest of the time its pretty quiet

 

[Flakes]

ive been hearing good things about the zalman 9700, ill take a look at the thermalright, but its hard to find reviews that compare the models that you want compared lol.

EDIT

from what i can tell these air coolers, just knock off about 5C when looking at the graphs under load....

been looking at a cheap watercooling kit, like the Nautilus 500, that knocks off about 10C...but a bit too expensive for that.

 

[lmimmfn]

my Zalman Infin1ty brought my x850 pro from 78 degrees on ull load to around 63 which isint bad

 

[neiroatopelcc]

Yeh, but most stock graphics coolers are rather poor due to size restrictions - cpu coolers however aren't really bad anymore. They come with heatpipes stock these days. Anyhow aftermarket ones can still kick off a bit of extra heat, especially liquid cooling systems.