4770k@ 4.6ghz 1.46v is this bad?

[coinmaster]

I can boot at 4.6 ghz at 1.3v but I can't get it stable unless I go past 1.45v. The temps are in the high 70s at most unless I'm stress testing when they go high 80s. I don't need a rock solid overclock I just need enough stability to livestream my games.
Is there something I can do to improve my situation?

 

[Buzz247]

124 is not too much power per se. It's dirty signal - poor filtering. And NOW with the 110... not good. I had you relax llc to see what cpu would do. Both cases are pointing to a faulting cpu. Possibly a core failure imminent. At the temps and voltage you were running on basic cooling (basic in relationship to the load being put on the processor) this is not surprising.

I am going to HIGHLY suggest return to 4.5, low voltage as possible, and do not attempt further push until gpus are installed. Using igpu (especially dependant on resolution and freq requested) can impact processor performance and temp significantly. Any further pushing is dangerous at this point. Given bsod errors, I am hoping honestly there is not permanent damage.

 

[Buzz247]

Dirty signal = poor power level quality into vrim or cpu. Can be caused by too low or too high or power. If sine wave is outside of expected signal form, these errors will populate

 

[coinmaster]

Well my temps were really never all that high. I rarely had my cpu go over mid 70s and it usually stuck around the 60s. It only ever went over that when I used synthetic stress tests which I only did last night.
Also error 101 just means that it needs more vcore, 124 according to the manual means that it needs more or less qpi, vtt, or vcore. I haven't noticed anything strange to indicate damage to my cpu and it ran stable at the settings I had it at before without too much heat.
I put it back on stock settings for now and even undervolted my ram.

 

[klepp0906]

Perfectly normal. My 2nd haswell is nearly identical. Cept it takes 1.45 to be prime stable. Much much less for IBT or hyperpi but we all know what the gold standard is and that's what I go by. Once it starts taking a phenomenal amount of voltage to gain stability you know you have reached your chips limit. The next step would take an even larger jump so you are pretty much done.

I have a mean water setup and at 4.6/4.6 I only reach 75 under IBT. Your temps are fine; they will never see that under normal circumstance. I wouldn't press either any further though.

My last chip did 4.7 at 1.46 stable yet was able to do 4.6 at 1.29. A bit better but I dropped it on ceramic tile with no lid lol. Chipped the corner and cost me a really nice monitor to replace 🙁

Haswell is pretty resilient but all in all a bunk overclocker. If anyone tells you they are stable at 4.9 or higher they are stable via a different standard or are on phase or better.

Long story short. Kudos for the nuts to press where misinformation has kept the sheep in check.

Until I provided screens at first no one even believed I ran those volts at those temps. Course if they wouldn't have bought into the fuss they would have known otherwise and I wouldn't have had to.
I have ran mine up to 1.6 (my first chip the better of the two) in an attempt to stabilize 4.8 (again 24hr prime) but it still didn't happen and temps were going into the 90s during the avx tests. The temps I may have been able to live with had the voltage even lower but for a 24/7 oc 1.6 was out of my comfort zone 😛

Fwiw this is with a 420 and a 360 on just the chip as well as ap31 typhoons on full (5400rpm) loud as hell but can't expect better cooling short of extreme which isn't feasable for 24/7 either. Chip is delidded obviously and ran naked.

The end

 

[klepp0906]

Fwiw worth people believe that lower temps require lower voltage. This is not true either. If it takes u 1.4 for stability at 4.6 with temps hitting 90 it will still take u the same voltage with better cooling and your temps at 70. I can elaborate if necessary but saving me the time and taking my word for it would be the right thing to do

 

[Buzz247]

Ty for reiterating what we had said. Good thing no sheep were harmed in the making of your post.

Cooling was the first thing addressed in the thread as an issue (h 100 vs custom 420 and 360 is a big difference.) Had he used same hardware as you, the advice would be different.

No one said what you did couldn't be done. Only that it couldn't as the OP was trying to do it. And after all, focusing on the OP needs is primary in these threads

Prob good to leave a necro'd thread be and not resurrect. Maybe open one of your own to regale your exploits?

 

[klepp0906]

-1 reading comprehension.

Considering our "issue" or "specs" or "results" are identical it goes without saying we are basically one in the same.

Course common sense tells you that when he asks if it's wrong/bad/damaging it is more helpful to reply with your results if similar than to just say "no" hence that is what I did. Not suee what this has to do with me other than you giving me unwanted, unwarranted, and unneeded attention.

To the OP an update with your end result would be cool. Chips have been around 6 months or so now which makes posts regarding degredation etc much more realistic. Ironically I have seen none so far that have come to fruition so that leads me to conclude the same as I had/have since day 1. 1.4+ isn't going to hurt your chip.

(Goes without saying 1.6 is a totally different story)

 

[dlectable]

I have a question as well. I bought a new upgrade package. New processor and new motherboard. I have the z87 MPOWER from MSI and also the 4770k.

Standard voltage was around the 0,85v, i thought i left the voltage as it is and see how high i can push my clock till i need to up my voltage. Upping the clock speed to 4.2 GHz changed the voltage to 0,88vcore! Which is in my opinion real good right? Keep in mind i did not change anything about the voltages so it's probably the offset which changed the vcore minimally.

Is this kind of low voltage normal for 4.2 GHz?

 

[klepp0906]

I have a question as well. I bought a new upgrade package. New processor and new motherboard. I have the z87 MPOWER from MSI and also the 4770k.

Standard voltage was around the 0,85v, i thought i left the voltage as it is and see how high i can push my clock till i need to up my voltage. Upping the clock speed to 4.2 GHz changed the voltage to 0,88vcore! Which is in my opinion real good right? Keep in mind i did not change anything about the voltages so it's probably the offset which changed the vcore minimally.

Is this kind of low voltage normal for 4.2 GHz?

that's very good for a VID (essentially stock voltage @ stock clocks) but im venturing/betting that/practically positive your not viewing the value your pc adjusts itself to when boost is effective. Download something like cpuz that displays ratio/speed/voltage in real time. Then run an app so it boosts to max/overclock speed and take note of your core voltage. Then you have your vcore which is still not sufficident for stability. Keep cpuz open and run IBT on high+ or Prime95 and watch your voltage, it will rise some more. This is essentially your stable voltage give/take. Will give you a rougher idea of what is needed to attain stability at your chosen clockspeed.

Its not .8v :im afraid lol. (although at stock that's still a very good vid, most are around .950-1.025