4770K or 3930K for Video Editing Build (1st Build)

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Hello All,

I am building a video editing only computer. I will not be doing ANY gaming or really anything else besides video editing with the latest Adobe Premiere Pro (creative cloud). I hope to have a small business shooting and editing wedding videos. I am trying to keep the build under $2,000. One thing I keep getting different opinions on is if I should get the 4770k or the 3930k. Which do you think? Also, what hard drive configuration should I use. I don't think I am skilled enough yet to do RAID. But I am a total novice. Should I just get an SSD for the OS and a 2TB for the video files and then get an external hard drive to back those up and call it good?
Here is the 4770k build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1i6BH
(I copied Dave Dougdale's hard drive configuration on this top build so that's why I have and SSD for the OS, another SSD for the scratch drive, a 2 TB hard drive for the video files and a 1 TB hard drive for the export drive as seen in this video at around 3:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP2aT_kpJo).
Here is the 3930K build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ieUt
Thank you so much for your help! I really appreciate it and all the help I have already gotten. I am hoping to order this in the next hour or so! So exciting!
 
Let's start with the platform. X79 (2011) or P/Z87 (1150)? Basically X79 is the high-end platform, the P/Z87 is the main-stream platform. The most important difference for editors is the 40 PCIe lanes on the X79 and 16 PCIe lanes on the 1150 platform. This simply means that the 1150 platform can only use one video card, using a PCIe-16x connection. You cannot add any third party card, unless you accept a 10 - 15% performance drop, because the video card connection will throttle back to PCIe-8x if you do add a BlackMagic, AJA or Matrox card or a dedicated raid controller or a second video card.

Basically, the 1150 or 1155 platform only allows one video card and nothing else. That means no room for growth in the future.
The 2011 platform allows various combinations of cards to be installed, because there are 40 PCIe lanes available, so you could install say two video cards running at full PCIe-16x speed plus a dedicated raid controller running at PCIe-8x.

In short, the 2011 platform has the capability for future expansion that the 1150 platform simply does not have.

The i7-3930K not only has 6 cores instead of only 4 on the Haswell, the i7-3930K has 12 MB L3 cache, the Haswell only 8 MB L3 cache. Why is that important? Well, during encoding of most video material for export to BDR and similar, the size of the L3 cache has a significant impact on the encoding speed as do the number of cores.

The second problem with the Haswell CPU's is that they run extremely hot when overclocked slightly, much hotter than the i7-3770K, so most of the time the overclock limits are reached very, very quickly and even changing the cooling paste (which voids the warranty) to a more effective one, like CoolLaboratory Ultra will not help enough to achieve a decent overclock. It is only around 5% faster than the i7-3770K but overclocks less.

Based on these considerations, I say the choice is a no brainer, always the i7-3930K on a 2011 platform.
The amount of memory, 32 GB is good provided you use 4 x 8GB sticks, which leaves room to grom to 64 GB in the future.
 

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Based on these considerations, I say the choice is a no brainer, always the i7-3930K on a 2011 platform.
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Wow, thanks very helpful! One more question. Windows 7 or 8 and which version??
 

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There's a couple of reasons to opt for the i7-3930K over any processor for video editing -
1. Performance - The i7-3930K basically is the best CPU for the money for video editing because of its 6Cores in Hyper Threading which is a absolute beast. Its per core performance is also amazing. Its performance is almost that of the i7-3960X/3970X for half the price.
2. Cooling - Recently here at TomsHardWare an interesting article came out , claiming that the 6 Cores SandyBridgeE CPU's couldn't generate as much as heat as the 4 Cores Haswell CPU's. So yeah , even a cheap cooler can cool your 3930K ( SandyBridge E CPU ) but not the i7-4770K ( Haswell CPU )

And for apps , Windows 7 is the way to go.
 
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Here you go -
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CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 120M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme6 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($298.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($126.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: ATI FirePro V5900 2GB Video Card ($403.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($58.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($124.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1962.48
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-19 04:42 EDT-0400)

The FirePro V5900 is a great GPU. But for more performance here's some more builds having more CPU or GPU performance , choose any one of your choice -

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CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 120M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($298.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: ATI FirePro V7900 2GB Video Card ($630.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($58.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($124.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1937.48
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-19 04:46 EDT-0400)

The i7-4770K has only a 5-8% performance upgrade against the i7-3770K , but you can cover up that with a mild OC. The V7900 is a major up from the already impressive V5900. This one has rather more GPU power. Another one -

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CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH 990FX/GEN3 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($298.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: ATI FirePro V7900 2GB Video Card ($630.98 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.58 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($58.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($124.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1982.07
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-19 04:55 EDT-0400)

This one has the AMD FX 8350 with the better H80i and same V7900. Also Xeons should be an interesting choice , here's a build with one of them -

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CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 120M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($298.60 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: PNY Quadro 4000 2GB Video Card ($719.99 @ Amazon)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.58 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($58.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($124.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1916.08
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-19 05:02 EDT-0400)

A Quadro 4000 is also a good choice , choose any one and swap something if you want.
 

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So would this work well???:
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/FledglingFilms/saved/1ZuL
CPU Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core $546.60
CPU Cooler Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid $109.99
Motherboard ASRock X79 Extreme6 ATX LGA2011 $199.99
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 $242.28
Storage Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" SSD $214.99
Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Combo or $99.99
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB $259.99
Case NZXT Phantom (White) ATX Full Tower $104.99
Power Supply SeaSonic 750W ATX12V / EPS12V $154.78
Optical Drive Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer Combo or $59.99
Operating System Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) (64-bit) $129.98
 
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The GTX 760 isn't good for the video editing. Firepro's and Quadro's are the way to go as they have advantages in video editing. Else the build seems fine.
 

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I thought Adobe Premiere takes advantage of nvidia's cuda core technology which I thought wasn't available in Firepro??

 

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I made many of the changes you suggested. I just am not comfortable with the liquid cooler since I don't know anything about that one. And people told me to stick with Seasonic for the power supply. I think I made all your other changes. Oh, and I already bought the case.
 

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Is the Seasonic I have okay? I am very grateful for your help and did make most of the changes based on your response including switching to windows 8.
 

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Do you think the EVGA 760 will be okay instead of something like a Quadro K2000 for Adobe Premiere?
 
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So why not a Quadro GPU ? And CUDA doesn't have the leading edge by a lot now. AMD has worked up on their Firepro GPU's to get similar performance. Also Quadro 4000 actually cant beat the Firepro V7900 or Dual V5900's. So the choice is yours.
 
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Here's a benchmark for ya -
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493-33.html

The V7000 and K4000 were recommended , so you might pick them up instead of the ones I suggested. Note that the V7900 was defeated by the K4000 in most cases but was by a bit tad , but have a 160 bucks difference. ( K4000 is 759USD and V7900 is 630 around. )
 

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