4K monitor question Samsung U28D590 with 60HZ - too early to adopt?

[krishy]

Hello,

Have just come accross this amazing monitor on eBay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-U28D590-UHD-Monitor-28-4K-3840-x-2160-1ms-TN-panal-HDMI-Display-Port-/121283686443

It is a 4K display (i.e 4 x 1080p) and believe it or not, has a 60HZ refresh rate when using displayport 1.2, not to mention a 1ms response time. Okay, so its a TN panel, but I am not a photographer so colours are a fair sacrifice for me (compared to IPS).

I currently have a 27" monitor which is a shameful 1080p (i know, bad size monitor for the pixels). I bought this huge monitor only because when playing games on my PC i prefer to use the xbox360 controller (I prefer console type gaming, on a PC because of mods etc).

Okay, so here is my dilemma. The 4K monitor is only 1 inch larger than my current monitor and I am very worried about the text/PPI in windows when using a 4K display. What are your thoughts on this?

I know 4K will need a beefy system and that's okay, I intend to run the 780 ti in SLI (currently only have one)

Gaming should therefore be 'okay', but I am only concerned about the text and UI being incredily small on such a high resolution. Windows does a great job with the PPI / UI scaler, but for some programs this is not going to work.

Just incase this is needed, I am running Windows 8.1 (made it look just like Win7) and have the following hardware:

Current monitor: Viewsonic 27" 1080p
HDD: 3TB Seagate 7200
HDD2: 3TB WD 5200
SDD: 240GB Crucial M500
CPU: 3570K at 4.4ghz
GPU: GTX 780 TI
RAM: 8GB Corsair Vengeance 1600
PSU: Corsair HX850

Yay or Nay on the 4K?

Thanks

 

[unknownofprob]

great option to do, 4K has 4 times the pixels of 1080p! That is very noticeable and looks absolutely amazing, You will never go back as the difference is so so noticeable. Lucky for you, you have a GTX 780ti, A great card for Ultra HD, but does put much more strain on the GPU, though that card can take it but does have to try hard to do so. I say yay on 4k and never ever nay.

The clarity of 4K is absolutely insane compared to 1080p

4K has a total of 8294400 pixels, man that is heaps compared to 1080p's 2073600

 

[RobCrezz]

I think its too early personally. I would wait for the panels to mature and the price to come down, not only that even SLI 780Ti will struggle with 4k with lots of detail switched on, on many new games.

 

[FunkyFeatures]

that excact model is very cheap in denmark. around the same as a very good 3d monitor, or a cheap 3d surround.

If i had the money, i would get it. I already have a samsung tv, and samsung are very good at it.

 

[David Dewis]

I've ordered one. Going to run it on my R9 290. If games run slow, i can run at 2560x1440 or lower other settings and player with a slower frame rate. Either way, when i get around to upgrading my PSU and getting a second R9 290, i can play games at almost lifelike quality with minimum need for anti aliasing.

 

[krishy]

Thank you all for the replies..

David, I am doing the exact same as you - I have ordered the monitor from amazon for £479.99 (pre order for 1st may).

Hopefully, the nvidia 880 (or equivalent) will have better single card performance for 4K. For now, I'm going to give 4K a try and if the text is so small and the FPS are so low that they are unbearable, I will probably return the 4K monitor and buy a Qnix 1440p instead (currently around £200 on ebay)

Will let everyone know what the monitor is like as soon as it arrives.

 

[David Dewis]

Thank you all for the replies..

David, I am doing the exact same as you - I have ordered the monitor from amazon for £479.99 (pre order for 1st may).

Hopefully, the nvidia 880 (or equivalent) will have better single card performance for 4K. For now, I'm going to give 4K a try and if the text is so small and the FPS are so low that they are unbearable, I will probably return the 4K monitor and buy a Qnix 1440p instead (currently around £200 on ebay)

Will let everyone know what the monitor is like as soon as it arrives.

Don't know what OS your using, but im on Window 8.1. Scaling for UHD displays has been massively improved with update 1, allowing up to 500% scaling within windows desktop.

 

[FunkyFeatures]

Please let us know how well the monitors performs I am a bit scared by the TN thing, but i saw a video comparing this samsung model to asus's top of the line monitor 144hz, and the colors were better on the samsung. Would be interesting to hear something from you

 

[krishy]

Don't know what OS your using, but im on Window 8.1. Scaling for UHD displays has been massively improved with update 1, allowing up to 500% scaling within windows desktop.

I am using Windows 8.1 too, and you are right I have heard some great things about its scaling abilities. my eyesight isn't perfect though, and in some games/programs the UI will probably be tiny - either way, I am sure it will be okay.

Please let us know how well the monitors performs I am a bit scared by the TN thing, but i saw a video comparing this samsung model to asus's top of the line monitor 144hz, and the colors were better on the samsung. Would be interesting to hear something from you

To be honest, the whole IPS/TN argument shoudn't really affect us in gaming, browsing etc. I only do photo editing or video editing once in a blue moon, so IPS is not really that important to me. Viewing angles would of course suffer, but its a monitor, i'm sure most people sit right infront of their monitor so TN should be fine. I have never tried 120hz or 144hz apart from my HDTV (not sure if its the same, but shows like Modern Family are smooth as hell, absolutely no motion blur). But for a PC, I would think resolution is far more superior than the 144hz.

I will definitely provide a review on the item when it arrives, I really can't wait to see what games look like in 4K.. and all that real estate

 

[David Dewis]

Best review and look at the monitor i've seen so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5YXWqhL9ik&index=3&list=FLtb0Liuwh3V7ic35dn9mlnA

Don't most games scale the UI anyway? When i moved from a 1366x768 screen to 1080p, most games looked sharper, but the UI scaled. Most new games have support for 2160p anyway

 

[krishy]

Best review and look at the monitor i've seen so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5YXWqhL9ik&index=3&list=FLtb0Liuwh3V7ic35dn9mlnA

Don't most games scale the UI anyway? When i moved from a 1366x768 screen to 1080p, most games looked sharper, but the UI scaled. Most new games have support for 2160p anyway

I think most games do scale okay in terms of textures etc, but I am expecting things like the text to be very small. For example, I used to play GTA San Andreas on 720p, it was a big menu etc. If you play it on 1080p you can see the text goes way smaller, which is of course better. As 4K is 4 times the size of 1080p, my only concern it may go too small (this is an old game though, but just using it as reference)

I am sure that the monitor will be fine.. only time will tell

When will your monitor arrive?

 

[David Dewis]

Best review and look at the monitor i've seen so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5YXWqhL9ik&index=3&list=FLtb0Liuwh3V7ic35dn9mlnA

Don't most games scale the UI anyway? When i moved from a 1366x768 screen to 1080p, most games looked sharper, but the UI scaled. Most new games have support for 2160p anyway

I think most games do scale okay in terms of textures etc, but I am expecting things like the text to be very small. For example, I used to play GTA San Andreas on 720p, it was a big menu etc. If you play it on 1080p you can see the text goes way smaller, which is of course better. As 4K is 4 times the size of 1080p, my only concern it may go too small (this is an old game though, but just using it as reference)

I am sure that the monitor will be fine.. only time will tell

When will your monitor arrive?

Amazon has given me an ETA of 1st May. I dont tend to play many old games. Oldest i play is Mass effect 3 (Which looks good once you use Catalyst control to force alot of AA and anisotropic filtering)

I think anisotropic filtering is going to be more important at higher res (more so than AA will be) as it helps to blend the textures together.

 

[David Dewis]

So I spoke to amazon yesterday as I was concerned that my monitor still had not been dispatched. They ensured me that it was a computer glitch, and the monitor was in fact on the way. So it's 4am here (I work nights) and I have just received this email (the monitor is due today)

"Hello,

We're still trying to obtain the following item you ordered on April 05 2014 (Order# 203-5306732-0674732).

"Samsung U28D590D 28 inch Ultra HDMI Monitor"

We're awaiting a revised estimate from our supplier, and will email you as soon as we receive this information.

If you'd prefer to cancel the item, please visit Your Account on the link below:"

Not very happy and no solid answer on when I can now expect it? A week, a month? Poor customer service on AmazonUK's part as they have clearly given an optimistic eta without any solid evidence they would actually have the product in stock by then.

 

[krishy]

So I spoke to amazon yesterday as I was concerned that my monitor still had not been dispatched. They ensured me that it was a computer glitch, and the monitor was in fact on the way. So it's 4am here (I work nights) and I have just received this email (the monitor is due today)

"Hello,

We're still trying to obtain the following item you ordered on April 05 2014 (Order# 203-5306732-0674732).

"Samsung U28D590D 28 inch Ultra HDMI Monitor"

We're awaiting a revised estimate from our supplier, and will email you as soon as we receive this information.

If you'd prefer to cancel the item, please visit Your Account on the link below:"

Not very happy and no solid answer on when I can now expect it? A week, a month? Poor customer service on AmazonUK's part as they have clearly given an optimistic eta without any solid evidence they would actually have the product in stock by then.

Can confirm I was sent the same email by Amazon. I believe they have screwed up at the fulfillment centre. I spoke to three different customer service agents yesterday and all three had different answers - but they did all mention that their 'fulfillment centre' will be contacted to dispatch the item asap.

Little disappointing as I was so excited for this day to come, not sure how they can run out of a pre-order item, but either way all we can do is wait.

Also I checked the tracking on amazon, all this time the delivery estimated date was for today (1st May) it now says this:

'DELIVERY ESTIMATE: WE NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A GOOD ESTIMATE. WE'LL NOTIFY YOU VIA E-MAIL AS SOON AS WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED DELIVERY DATE.'

:/

 

[krishy]

I have just spoken with Amazon on their live chat, and here is the latest news:

Mani:Hi Krish. I am sorry you haven't received your order. Thanks for the order number.
Let me check the details for you please give me a minute or two.

Me:thanks

Mani:Thanks for waiting.
Am sorry to say this , but I have checked and see that since the item is not in stock with us and thus the item hasn't been dispatched.
As an apology for the delay, I will extend your Amazon Prime membership for 1 month, free of charge.

Me:i see
do you know when the item will be in stock

Mani:We are awaiting the item to be delivered to us from the suppliers, once we get the item, we will update it on our website.

Me:i see
ok, thanks

 

[David Dewis]

It would appear they didn't get their stock when they expected to. I asked to be put through to the people who actually buy the stock. This is what I got.

"Hello David,

I'm sorry about the delay with your order #****************.

Sometimes unexpected fluctuations in supply can add time to our original availability estimate. We've learnt that Samsung U28D590D 28 inch Ultra HDMI Monitor is now back-ordered and we'll update you when we get more information from the vendor.

The availability and dispatch times listed on our website are estimates only, and not guarantees. While we do our best to stick to these estimates, our inventory is constantly changing based on information we receive directly from our suppliers, and occasionally, unexpected fluctuations in supply can result in us being unable to fulfil an order. While we don't like to see this happen, and our inventory team try to avoid it at all costs, due to the size of our catalogue it's occasionally unavoidable.

We won't charge you for items until we dispatch them to you. We'll send you an e-mail when we dispatch, confirming the date, contents and method of delivery.

I hope this helps. We look forward to seeing you again soon."

 

[krishy]

Ah, I hope they have the item back in stock soon.

Really surprised that this happened with Amazon, i know its a bit of a 'first world issue' but many people are probably in the same boat and some may have wanted to give the monitor as a gift etc.

Still, i'd rather wait until its in stock than to buy from the south Korean sellers on eBay who probably won't provide any real warranty.

 

[ShawnT007]

I purchased the monitor, I come from a SAMSUNG S27A750D 27" 2ms 120hz LED to this. I was worried that I would miss my 120hz, I was worried about the input lag... Long story short, after testing I have determined that this monitor responds faster than my previous monitor. Not only that, but UHD is amazing, the clarity, color, and precision are so good i will never go back to 1080, I am extremely happy with my purchase and recommend it for any gamer that wants the best picture.

MAKE SURE YOU GET A US MODEL not the Korean, all the bad reviews i have read seem to be from people who purchased from Korea one way or another. I know if you order directory from Amazon you receive US versions. If you turn it on and the menu is in Korean you got the wrong one.

Build:
i7 4770k
MSI Z87-G45 Mobo
Kingston HyperX Beast 16 GB 2133Mhz
HIS 290x x 2

Games tested @ 3840 x 2160:
BF4: in crossfire, ultra setting, 100% texture, 2xMSAA = 60 - 80 FPS
FFXIV RR: no crossfire (seems to stutter- see below), Ultra everything = 40 FPS

One other mention: I kept getting stuttering on pretty much every game I played. I discovered that it is being caused by ATIs Powertune down throttling my clock speeds; I figured out if you overclock through CCC just a little bit that the stuttering goes away. I did 10% (1100Mhz) increases on both settings (power limit & GPU Clock speed), set fan speeds to 100%, and set memory Clock to 1350 and presto my stuttering was gone! Temps are in the 80s on air with original GPU cooler.

 

[krishy]

I purchased the monitor, I come from a SAMSUNG S27A750D 27" 2ms 120hz LED to this. I was worried that I would miss my 120hz, I was worried about the input lag... Long story short, after testing I have determined that this monitor responds faster than my previous monitor. Not only that, but UHD is amazing, the clarity, color, and precision are so good i will never go back to 1080, I am extremely happy with my purchase and recommend it for any gamer that wants the best picture.

MAKE SURE YOU GET A US MODEL not the Korean, all the bad reviews i have read seem to be from people who purchased from Korea one way or another. I know if you order directory from Amazon you receive US versions. If you turn it on and the menu is in Korean you got the wrong one.

Build:
i7 4770k
MSI Z87-G45 Mobo
Kingston HyperX Beast 16 GB 2133Mhz
HIS 290x x 2

Games tested @ 3840 x 2160:
BF4: in crossfire, ultra setting, 100% texture, 2xMSAA = 60 - 80 FPS
FFXIV RR: no crossfire (seems to stutter- see below), Ultra everything = 40 FPS

One other mention: I kept getting stuttering on pretty much every game I played. I discovered that it is being caused by ATIs Powertune down throttling my clock speeds; I figured out if you overclock through CCC just a little bit that the stuttering goes away. I did 10% (1100Mhz) increases on both settings (power limit & GPU Clock speed), set fan speeds to 100%, and set memory Clock to 1350 and presto my stuttering was gone! Temps are in the 80s on air with original GPU cooler.

I am pretty sure I read this exact same post on Amazon or on Reddit (or somewhere else).

Thanks though, its great to know that I am investing money wisely on this monitor as you did.

Its great that you also have 60+FPS in BF4, thats pretty awesome when you think about it. To be honest what made me decide to fork out for this monitor was Watch Dogs..cannot wait to see how great it will look in 1080p, let alone 4K.

Would you mind showing some screenshots/pictures of the monitor at windows desktop? I know this sounds weird, I just want to see what the icon size in relation to screen size are (my biggest concern is this and DPI)

 

[tmacg55]

I am waiting for Lenovo's 4K as it has a glossy display which will bring out more vibrant color. The Samsung uses semi-glossy, which will please a larger audience, but I love no anti-glare coating as I feel it takes away from the experience.

In my opinion, if you're a PC gamer, then you know it is never too early to adopt to the next big thing. That is what us PC gamers do! We love having technology before everyone else can see it for themselves. *cough console gamers* 4K is only going to grow in content, "mainly streaming" and I'm on the 4K boat with you and will be getting one as soon as Lenovo announces theirs.

 

[krishy]

I am waiting for Lenovo's 4K as it has a glossy display which will bring out more vibrant color. The Samsung uses semi-glossy, which will please a larger audience, but I love no anti-glare coating as I feel it takes away from the experience.

In my opinion, if you're a PC gamer, then you know it is never too early to adopt to the next big thing. That is what us PC gamers do! We love having technology before everyone else can see it for themselves. *cough console gamers* 4K is only going to grow in content, "mainly streaming" and I'm on the 4K boat with you and will be getting one as soon as Lenovo announces theirs.

True, PC gamers are well ahead of the console gamers, although I must admit I use an xbox 360 wireless controller while gaming most of the time - simply just because I like to sit back and relax. Some may say this defeats the purpose of PC gaming but I disagree, I think its like getting the best of both worlds.

The lenovo monitor you are referring to, is it the Pro2840m? That actually looks amazing

 

[tmacg55]

I am waiting for Lenovo's 4K as it has a glossy display which will bring out more vibrant color. The Samsung uses semi-glossy, which will please a larger audience, but I love no anti-glare coating as I feel it takes away from the experience.

In my opinion, if you're a PC gamer, then you know it is never too early to adopt to the next big thing. That is what us PC gamers do! We love having technology before everyone else can see it for themselves. *cough console gamers* 4K is only going to grow in content, "mainly streaming" and I'm on the 4K boat with you and will be getting one as soon as Lenovo announces theirs.

True, PC gamers are well ahead of the console gamers, although I must admit I use an xbox 360 wireless controller while gaming most of the time - simply just because I like to sit back and relax. Some may say this defeats the purpose of PC gaming but I disagree, I think its like getting the best of both worlds.

The lenovo monitor you are referring to, is it the Pro2840m? That actually looks amazing

Yes, it is. I can't wait for it! And no worries, I use my xbox controller for all my racing sims. I do use mouse and keyboard for my fps games though.

 

[David Dewis]

Amazon have just informed me that it could be July before they have the monitor in stock. JULY!!! What a joke.


This is Steven here, I just wanted to follow up with you regarding our recent chat about the delivery estimate of order #*******************.

After speaking with our Buying Team they have advised me of the following:

"Upon checking this item, I can see that Samsung have pushed back the stock availability date, and that the provisional date they we've been provided with is the 1st July, however this is actively being worked on.

I would advise that they keep an eye on the 'Your Account' section of our website as that will display the most up-to-date information we have available."

As you can see from the information provided it looks at though the dates provided for this item are 1 July 2014 by our vendors, however this is subject to change. The most up to date information will be displayed on the "Your Orders" section of our website, so I would strongly recommend that you keep an eye on this page for further information.

I hope this helps. We look forward to seeing you again soon.

Warmest regards,

 

[krishy]

Amazon have just informed me that it could be July before they have the monitor in stock. JULY!!! What a joke.


This is Steven here, I just wanted to follow up with you regarding our recent chat about the delivery estimate of order #*******************.

After speaking with our Buying Team they have advised me of the following:

"Upon checking this item, I can see that Samsung have pushed back the stock availability date, and that the provisional date they we've been provided with is the 1st July, however this is actively being worked on.

I would advise that they keep an eye on the 'Your Account' section of our website as that will display the most up-to-date information we have available."

As you can see from the information provided it looks at though the dates provided for this item are 1 July 2014 by our vendors, however this is subject to change. The most up to date information will be displayed on the "Your Orders" section of our website, so I would strongly recommend that you keep an eye on this page for further information.

I hope this helps. We look forward to seeing you again soon.

Warmest regards,

Damn...July is too far too long away. Overclockers also have pre orders for 16th May, but their price is at £499 and I am not too sure if their support is on par with Amazon.

If the koreon ones on eBay drop under £300, I might just take the risk with the square trade 3 year warranty (with import VAT and warranty, price would be around £400)

If I find any other retailers with the item in the UK I will keep you informed

 

[David Dewis]

Amazon have just informed me that it could be July before they have the monitor in stock. JULY!!! What a joke.


This is Steven here, I just wanted to follow up with you regarding our recent chat about the delivery estimate of order #*******************.

After speaking with our Buying Team they have advised me of the following:

"Upon checking this item, I can see that Samsung have pushed back the stock availability date, and that the provisional date they we've been provided with is the 1st July, however this is actively being worked on.

I would advise that they keep an eye on the 'Your Account' section of our website as that will display the most up-to-date information we have available."

As you can see from the information provided it looks at though the dates provided for this item are 1 July 2014 by our vendors, however this is subject to change. The most up to date information will be displayed on the "Your Orders" section of our website, so I would strongly recommend that you keep an eye on this page for further information.

I hope this helps. We look forward to seeing you again soon.

Warmest regards,

Damn...July is too far too long away. Overclockers also have pre orders for 16th May, but their price is at £499 and I am not too sure if their support is on par with Amazon.

If the koreon ones on eBay drop under £300, I might just take the risk with the square trade 3 year warranty (with import VAT and warranty, price would be around £400)

If I find any other retailers with the item in the UK I will keep you informed

I think overclockers charge for shipping too. My concern is that all the bad reports of faulty monitors or screen tearing/flickering issues appear to be imported from south korea. Not sure if they come through the proper channels. I get the feeling that they be rejected monitors that someone is offloading