Question 55 second bios time on new pc with fast-boot enabled

[beanbingus]

I just built a new pc with great specs, but im facing minute-long bios times and its insanely frustrating.

Components:
Ryzen 5 7800x3d
ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi Motherboard
RTX 4070 TI
EVGA Supernova 850 GT Gold PSU
Gskill Trident z5 neo ddr5-6000
WD-Black SN850X NVMe SSD

Originally, windows was reporting boot times ~45 seconds
I disabled all startup apps in task manager
Fast-boot was enabled by default in bios, the only modifications were enabling EXPO and disabling the integrated graphics

I went through a round of updates, bringing everthing to current
Updated versions: BIOS 1636 (from 08xx), Win 11 KB5029351, Geforce 537.13, AMD chipset driver 5.06.16.400

this increased bios time to 55 seconds

I then factory reset the bios settings - no change, so I enabled expo and disabled iGPU again

I thought it might be an SSD issue, so I seated my old boot NVMe from my old win10 system
It mounted okay, but wasnt recognized as bootable
It also managed to increase bios time to 90 seconds
-_-

I'm disappointed, frustrated, and out of ideas.

this thread makes it seem like an issue with my motherboard, is it possible that this is unfixable?
I'm looking for any solutions that hopefully dont involve replacing my motherboard.

 

[pete_101]

Your RAM, is it XMP or EXPO?

If it's XMP, disable it in BIOS and see if that helps (then buy EXPO). If you have EXPO, then it shouldn't be the issue but you could see if disabling it makes any difference.

 

[beanbingus]

Your RAM, is it XMP or EXPO?

If it's XMP, disable it in BIOS and see if that helps (then buy EXPO). If you have EXPO, then it shouldn't be the issue but you could see if disabling it makes any difference.

yep, the trident z5 neo is EXPO. the issue persists with EXPO both on and off in the BIOS settings

 

[Bob.B]

I just built a new pc with great specs, but im facing minute-long bios times and its insanely frustrating.

Components:
Ryzen 5 7800x3d
ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi Motherboard
RTX 4070 TI
EVGA Supernova 850 GT Gold PSU
Gskill Trident z5 neo ddr5-6000
WD-Black SN850X NVMe SSD

Originally, windows was reporting boot times ~45 seconds
I disabled all startup apps in task manager
Fast-boot was enabled by default in bios, the only modifications were enabling EXPO and disabling the integrated graphics

I went through a round of updates, bringing everthing to current
Updated versions: BIOS 1636 (from 08xx), Win 11 KB5029351, Geforce 537.13, AMD chipset driver 5.06.16.400

this increased bios time to 55 seconds

I then factory reset the bios settings - no change, so I enabled expo and disabled iGPU again

I thought it might be an SSD issue, so I seated my old boot NVMe from my old win10 system
It mounted okay, but wasnt recognized as bootable
It also managed to increase bios time to 90 seconds
-_-

I'm disappointed, frustrated, and out of ideas.

this thread makes it seem like an issue with my motherboard, is it possible that this is unfixable?
I'm looking for any solutions that hopefully dont involve replacing my motherboard.

Bios time and boot time are different things I'm guessing your looking at task manager/startup......bios time.

Remove the gpu and connect to the igp.....test

Use just one stick of ram....test.

 

[beanbingus]

Bios time and boot time are different things I'm guessing your looking at task manager/startup......bios time.

Remove the gpu and connect to the igp.....test

Use just one stick of ram....test.

Whelp...
youre correct ive been looking at the bios time to get a consistent number

I removed the gpu and one stick of ram and it wouldnt even post, after a bunch of tinkering and finally flashing the bios, it booted with an 8 second bios time!

I put in the second ram stick and tried again, but back to 40 seconds.
So i removed that second stick of ram and tried again with just one, and still no GPU: stayed at 40 seconds...

Im so confused. Was it just a lucky boot? is it a ram issue? is this my mobo being cringe?

 

[kerberos_20]

every mainboard retrains memory on cold boot
on AM5 its called Memory context restore, and in this case you want it enabled
there are two settings, one from your mainboard and another from AMD, use only one, not both
asus has it in AI tweaker/Extreme Tweaker - DRAM timing control and scroll down if you see memory context restore there, enable it
then go to advanced, AMD cbs and somewhere under UMC common options should be another memory context restore, this one disable (if enabled)

 

[Bob.B]

Whelp...
youre correct ive been looking at the bios time to get a consistent number

I removed the gpu and one stick of ram and it wouldnt even post, after a bunch of tinkering and finally flashing the bios, it booted with an 8 second bios time!

I put in the second ram stick and tried again, but back to 40 seconds.
So i removed that second stick of ram and tried again with just one, and still no GPU: stayed at 40 seconds...

Im so confused. Was it just a lucky boot? is it a ram issue? is this my mobo being cringe?

Test each stick of ram using slot A2.

 

[beanbingus]

every mainboard retrains memory on cold boot
on AM5 its called Memory context restore, and in this case you want it enabled
there are two settings, one from your mainboard and another from AMD, use only one, not both
asus has it in AI tweaker/Extreme Tweaker - DRAM timing control and scroll down if you see memory context restore there, enable it
then go to advanced, AMD cbs and somewhere under UMC common options should be another memory context restore, this one disable (if enabled)

i was trying more with just one ram stick and i got a few more BIOS times of 9 seconds.

I put back in the second stick, rebooted a few times to train the ram , and enabled the ASUS memory context restore and disabled AMD's memory context restore (they were both originally at auto)
Unfortunately, i did 3 more reboots after this change and its still at a 60 second bios time.

In response to Bob.B, both ram sticks are in working order, and all 4 ram slots are happy. It seems to be the combination thats causing this.