5800's went up in price..

[tydalwave]

newegg
5850 $299
5870 $399

I read somewhere on the forums here ( can't remember what post ) that prices would go up b/c S&D. Well they did... ( $400 sounds a helluva lot worse than $379 when asking the wife for a X-mas present )


and damn that APO shipping cost...

 

[shadow187]

Well, better yields for them will give them better R&D, not to mention AMD needs the money.

 

[tydalwave]

Also... I noticed that newegg has also taken from their listings an Asus 5870 and an Asus 5850 from there along with others it looks like... I can understand "Out of Stock" but now just not even listed anymore... what is really going on here?

 

[TheViper]

The prices will drop back down again as supply increases and when the nVidia cards finally hit the market.

Though both are unlikely to happen before Christmas


Tydalwave, Newegg tends to do that often though I'm unsure why. I see this happen to cards from every brand and price range every now and then.

 

[shadow187]

If I were ASUS, what I'd do is stock up on about 1,000 of the cards (or some higher figure), and then lower the price $30 from everyone else. You might not make as much money per card, but you sold twice as much.

x = money per card
a = amount sold

if a > 31 then a2-30 > a

 

[TheViper]

If I were ASUS, what I'd do is stock up on about 1,000 of the cards (or some higher figure), and then lower the price $30 from everyone else. You might not make as much money per card, but you sold twice as much.

x = money per card
a = amount sold

if a > 31 then a2-30 > a

Why do that when you'll sell 1,000 units at the current price too?

 

[shadow187]

Why do that when you'll sell 1,000 units at the current price too?

Well, I said other high figure. If they sell 10,K in a week as opposed to 500 in a week, it's big $$.

 

[TheViper]

But they can't sell more than they have.

Selling 1,000 card in 1 day or 1,000 cards in 2 weeks nets you the same amount of money unless you are charging $30 less for that 1k sales day. Then you lose money.

 

[shadow187]

But they can't sell more than they have.

Selling 1,000 card in 1 day or 1,000 cards in 2 weeks nets you the same amount of money unless you are charging $30 less for that 1k sales day. Then you lose money.

But if they save up for a week, stock 10k cards, then sell them all in a week, that could beat the 8k cards they would have sold over two+ weeks.

 

[daedalus685]

Well, I said other high figure. If they sell 10,K in a week as opposed to 500 in a week, it's big $$.

But they would still mke less per card.. not to mention having to pay to store them while they build up stocks.. :|

 

[shadow187]

FINE, GO AHEAD AND WOOP ME WITH COMMON SENSE. ALL I WANTED WAS TO SOUND SMART.

*hides in his closet*

If you take that as real rage, go...choke on a spoon....or something...

 

[TheViper]

But if they save up for a week, stock 10k cards, then sell them all in a week, that could beat the 8k cards they would have sold over two+ weeks.

But what would the point be?

Over the total timeline they'd still sell the exact same number of cards - whatever amount that can be acquired from ATi.

So X amount x $400 or X amount x $400 - $30?

If I'm a company, I'm taking the former.

EDIT: LOL, fair enough, Shadow.

 

[shadow187]

But what would the point be?

Over the total timeline they'd still sell the exact same number of cards - whatever amount that can be acquired from ATi.

So X amount x $400 or X amount x $400 - $30?

If I'm a company, I'm taking the former.

EDIT: LOL, fair enough, Shadow.

Nvm.

Thanks for not laughing ;_;

 

[OvrClkr]

IMO the whole rollout was a big FAIL. I would have waited 2 more months to release the cards w/o having the shortage issue. Companies like DELL/Alienware/Cyberpower are having MAJOR issues due to the shortage and most of the high end PC's are selling with outdated 295's and 285's.... And trust me if you are going to spend 3-4k on a pre-built PC it better have a next gen GPU or you are basically wasting your time and cash....

 

[EXT64]

At least they had a rollout. Better than some companies they are competing with.

 

[OvrClkr]

What good is a rollout when a good chunk of the population can't even get their hands on one?

 

[shadow187]

What good is a rollout when a good chunk of the population can't even get their hands on one?

Well, then they'll have a consistent stream of sales, with a few losses.

 

[TheViper]

No one is claiming it's a fantastic rollout, OvrClkr. But a supply hindered rollout is better than no rollout at all.

It's product on the market vs no product on the market. The market share gained, the perceptions received, the reviews garnered, etc...far too many positives from ATi's rollout than negatives.

 

[EXT64]

From what I've heard, they did have a decent number of cards. Just the combination of very high demand and recent trouble at TSMC (and not realizing how high demand would be, they probably thought NVidia would have their card out by now taking some of their sales) leaves us in the current situation. I've seen worse launches (in terms of quantity of product). What disappointed me more was that there were not more DX11 demos and other fun stuff at the time of launch.

 

[OvrClkr]

True, I do not disagree... But why even bother with a few GPU's ready for launch when you could have waited a bit and not have to deal with any shortage at all? What was the RUSH? Nvidia is not releasing anything till next year so why rush with the rollout? IDK it just seems odd that a company like AMD with such a good marketing dept. would rush when they could have waited a bit....

 

[shadow187]

True, I do not disagree... But why even bother with a few GPU's ready for launch when you could have waited a bit and not have to deal with any shortage at all? What was the RUSH? Nvidia is not releasing anything till next year so why rush with the rollout?

More release time ~= more market share gained.

 

[EXT64]

Good marketing department?!? Now I know you are joking on that.

As to your question though, I understand your point. It may have been they thad a decent amount for the launch and knew TSMC was having trouble, but thought it would be resolved quickly, so went ahead, only not to get more cards when they ran out of initial stock. And I think with the current state AMD is in, they were probably pressured to get their card out and selling ASAP.

 

[megamanx00]

Supply and Demand. If you don't like it then write a nasty letter to TSMC telling them to get those darn yields up. 😀 Don't look to global foundries to provide the chips either because they won't be providing 40nm bulk chips till like Q2 of 2010 if you're lucky.

 

[OvrClkr]

Yea but look at it it this way, most companies that sell high-end pre-built pc's are selling them with Nvidia GPU's cause the 4870x2 is discontinued. That cannot be good for AMD. Second, peeps that want a 5850 or 5870 are inclined to wait and get a 3 series since they have no option at this time other than a 4870/4890 or 200 series equivalent. Third, once we have more 5850's and 5870's available they will last a day or two and we will have to wait 2 more weeks for another batch to appear. This is unaceptable IMO.... Of course there have been worse rollouts before but the whole point of that is to NOT HAVE ANY MORE FAILED ROLLOUTS, you are suposed to learn from past mistakes and make sure they do not happen again.... So if TSMC is to blame, the only way around this whole mess was to postpone the inicial rollout and make sure that there are enough GPU"s for the market.

 

[TheViper]

Launch a few months ago and get decent sales (sell outs look really good too) and have the market to yourself with fantastic press coverage or launch along with nVidia and have the fight for sales and press coverage?


Seems an easy choice to me.