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Approximate Purchase Date: In 2 Weeks

Budget Range: $600

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Surfing web, Movies

Are you buying a monitor: No.

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com

Location: Findlay, Ohio

Parts Preferences: What ever gives the most bang for my buck.

Overclocking: Maybe.

SLI or Crossfire: No.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1280x1024 (Plan on upgarding to a 1920x1080 later on)

Additional Comments: I'm new to PC building so any help will be appreciated. The system will be used mostly for games like: Skyrim, Battlefield 3, Fallout New Vegas, Borderlands 2.

Why Are You Upgrading: Moving from PS3 to PC gaming.

My list of parts I have so far:
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

ASUS EAH6670/DIS/1GD5 Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card $92.99
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121442

Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016

MSI 970A-G46 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130637

G.SKILL Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL9D-8GBNT $33.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422

Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM $19.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Total: $616.91

Like I said new to PC building so I more then likely made allot mistakes in picking parts.
 
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Hey,

I have a few questions here.
Have you thought about buying some stuff used?

Else I have these comments.
Why X4 965? If you want a budget build go for a H61 motherboard and a Sandy Bridge Pentium G620/G630/G840
If you look at the reviews, these will be almost as good as a 2600k i7 for gaming.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1877/3/

I'm gaming on a Pentium G620
Think you can save like $40 on the CPU then and maybe $30 on the motherboard.

And you are taking a 550 watt PSU? For the system above it's pretty overkill. You can go with 400 watt. But if you want more power system, you should go with 500 watt+.

And that graphics card is not for gaming - so save on the other things I said and then buy a better GFX.

My idea would be...

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Hey,

I have a few questions here.
Have you thought about buying some stuff used?

Else I have these comments.
Why X4 965? If you want a budget build go for a H61 motherboard and a Sandy Bridge Pentium G620/G630/G840
If you look at the reviews, these will be almost as good as a 2600k i7 for gaming.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1877/3/

I'm gaming on a Pentium G620
Think you can save like $40 on the CPU then and maybe $30 on the motherboard.

And you are taking a 550 watt PSU? For the system above it's pretty overkill. You can go with 400 watt. But if you want more power system, you should go with 500 watt+.

And that graphics card is not for gaming - so save on the other things I said and then buy a better GFX.

My idea would be that you exchange CPU, motherboard and GFX with these:

CPU: Intel Pentium G850 (better than mine) - 2.9 Ghz - $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116397

Motherboard: MSI H61M-P31 (G3) LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX Intel - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130639

Multiple options with GFX: (We saved $30 on CPU and $40 on Motherboard, so that's why I go all the way up to $170 on GFX now - same budget):

MSI N650-1GD5/OC GeForce GTX 650 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - $120:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127701

XFX HD-685A-ZCFC Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - $140:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150618

HIS H785F1G2M Radeon HD 7850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - $165:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161426

Galaxy 56NPH6HS4IXX GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) GC 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card / $167:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162085


All these cards are better than the one you have. You wont be able to play games like Battlefield 3 etc. on that setup you've build.

And I would take this Powersupply instead:
Thermaltake Toughpower XT TPX-575M 575W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153125

Im not checking a lot here, but if you need specific help, email me at mmhbloom@gmail.com

I have build more than 100 systems over time :)

Hope that helped a bit!

Here is the build, I would go for:
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http://i50.tinypic.com/iyhsuh.png

And last comment, I would probably go for a 120 GB SSD instead of a harddrive - just a cheaper one to keep your budget. Like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139950

That will give you a lot of speed on your system too!
 
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True I agree, but I just wanted to let him now that he will get good FPS with that build.
I use the Pentium G620 for BF3 and it's fine!

But yes, the i3 2120 is way better, I totally agree, but he has a budget as well!
 
Both are about 1hr+ away from him so I don't think that's an option. I just did a quick google for Microcenters in OH.

Anyways, check out my $500-$650 here:
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore#module146695821
Instead of the i3 3220 get the i3 2100 here and save $45:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=7295297&sku=I69-0210&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=lw9MynSeamY-CGivDOKfbu3qPgkO2OxRlw
OS here (+$69): http://www.softwaresupplygroup.com/microsoft-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit-oem-branded.html
Total: $599

Way better than an AMD build, you'll get the 7850 and it's pretty solid price. The windows link is valid with the retailer having a BBB rating of an A+
http://www.bbb.org/memphis/business-reviews/computer-software-publishers-and-developers/software-supply-group-in-cordova-tn-44050536
 

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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jRYs

$600 build with a Radeon 7870 and a Phenom II x4 that can be overclocked to far beyond any i3.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jS1t

Even better, $600 build with Trinity A8-5600K and otherwise roughly the same. Disable the IGP and watch it fly in overclocking.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-internal-hard-drive-krs30903h

You can switch out the 7870 for a 7850 and get this SSD with the money saved if you want an SSD. 90GB is decent. A higher budget such as $650 would allow for a much better model.
 

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I do agree that the X4 Phenom II can be overclocked, but look at the reviews. The i3 or the Pentiums will get the same FPS, so isnt that more important?
And I said the Pentium G850 to safe money and spend it on HD7850 instead.

But really nice site for PC builders!
 

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I wouldn't go so far back as the Pentiums. For them, you really have to look at benchmarks for them in the way that you'd use them because they can bottle-neck a lot of games. Whether or not they do so badly is too subjective for me to recommend them without making sure that OP wouldn't play games that would be intolerably bottle-necked.

The i3s also don't get the same FPS as the overclocked AMD CPUs all of the time. In games such as BF3 MP and Borderlands 2, the i3s lag behind the Phenom IIs, especially in BF3 with a lot of players. Not everyone doesn't mind that.
 

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It can be overclocked a lot better than that. They didn't disable the IGP in that review, I checked. Also, don't forget that the A10 there has twice as many cores, so in any game that can use three or four cores (most DX11 games can use at least that many), AMD would have a significant advantage there. Also, that's a synthetic, not a real-world benchmark, so it isn't necessarily very accurate. People buying Intel should get an i5 if they want to game excellently.
 

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Find me a game, where my Pentium is a bottleneck.

I just posted a link to BF3.

I have a Pentium G620 - only dual core at 2.6 Ghz, I don't say any bottleneck in games....
I have had almost everything and yes - this is just a cheap, fair build.

But when I had A8-3870K crossfired with HD6670, if was worse than my Pentium G620 + GT 240 1 GB.
My GFX is more bottleneck than my CPU.

Im not a fan boy - I work for another review site like Tomshardware in my own country, so im kinda use to have a lot of products.
 

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Relax - im not here to start a war. I'm just telling OP from my perspective and experience what I would do, if I wanted to build a budget gamer....

Feels like you're trying to fight me as a AMD Fan Boy!

But I would love to see some reviews, where that new Trinity actually kick a** - cause then I'm gonna change my setup.... AGAIN :)
 

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Tom's did an SBM with the Pentium G620 and the G860. Look it up if you want to see it. Some games are simply more CPU-dependent than others and what is good enough is highly subjective.

The A8-3870K is a much weaker CPU than the A8-5600K in overclocking. Dual-Graphics also has its own problems that aren't related to the CPU performance.

I'm not trying to start a war either, just pointing out what's better. OP can get what OP wants even if that's not what I recommend.
 

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Sure - we are good :)

But do you have the link to the review where they overclock the A8-5600K without the graphic?

I just want to see, cause I heard it is like a FX-4100 which I dont see a lot of performance from
 

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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jIlh A cheap case so if you can get a better one i would but that be my recommended build and it is under $500 and so gives you some wiggle room on parts. The 5800k compares to and some times beats the i3 3220 in most benchmarks. Plus has a built in hd 7660. That is the one i would go with and then instead of the case in that build pick a better one.
 

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That link doesn't disprove anything that I've said.

Missed that we were including OS, we usually don't with these builds:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jScG
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jSge

Okay, no 7870.
 

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since you will be upgrading to a 1080p monitor soon i dont think you should go for anything less than a hd7850 or gtx660 non ti.. as for cpu i suggest one of the newer ivy bridge i3's preferably the i3-3225 which has intel hd4000 which is suitable for gaming at your current 1280*1024 resolution so you dont need to get a graphics card for now ..then when you do get a 1080p display then decide what graphics card you wanna get.. for now i3-3225 with intel hd4000 is plenty
 

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Why would you recommend an i3 with the intent of having OP play with the IGP, even for a while, when the A10 is greatly superior in IGP performance? That doesn't make much sense. As a CPU, the Ivy i3s are good, but to have to play on their IGP is not any good for many games. 1280x1024 is most certainly out of reach for most modern games.
 

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Phenom II X4 for me :D

But an i3-2120 and an H61 motherboard is going to be cheaper(and more efficient) than Phenom II X4 965 and 970 motherboard. Get an HD 7750 over that expensive Asus 6670.


 
WITHOUT REFERRING TO ANY IGPs OR ANYTHING BECAUSE THIS BUILD IS $600...


The link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,2859-10.html

On average the i3 2100 is 9% better than the 955. With that said, the i3 3220 improves on that, and the links that I posted show that the 5800K is bad with a discrete card in comparison to the i3 3220.

Also maybe you should keep in mind luciferano that the i3 3220 + B75 route gives the OP a route to upgrade towards the i5 3450/3570K. While the FM2 socket leaves the OP stuck with FM2 and AM3+ stuck with the terrible upgrade path that is to Bulldozer. I'll admit AMD isn't TERRIBLE, but in the long run, especially since Ivy Bridge can use PCI 3.0, Intel is better.

FM2 has no high end chips like the i5 3570K, while the AM3+ chips are just left in the dust in comparison. BD chips run terribly inefficient when compared after overclocking especially. Clock for clock, BD is pretty bad.