[SOLVED] $700 or less ryzen 5 2600(x)/i5 8400 build

[cruzer]

No Video card needed

Approximate Purchase Date: 2 weeks

Budget Range: no more than $700

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming

Are you buying a monitor: No

Do you need to buy OS: No

Location: usa

Parts Preferences: ryzen 5 2600 or 2600x or i5 8400 whichever build is cheaper and/or more future proof. Samsung 860 EVO 500GB ssd, perfer atx, not micro

Overclocking: i5-8400 no, ryzen in future when its hard to run games

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: want to go with ryzen 5 2600(x?) or i5-8400 whichever fits better. the ryzen can overclock if needed in future which i like, but if the 8400 build is cheaper might just go that route

not stuck on the 2600 just looks like its the best value/performance in that range. stuck on the 8400

i like the audio and other features of msi motherboards but just need something reliable and compatible

have a msi rx 560 that i want to try without the cpu/memory bottleneck to see how fps is, if its still low ill upgrade

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: low fps in overwatch, phenom x4 955, ddr2 800mhz ram

 

[stevenjemint]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C White TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $717.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-11 04:57 EST-0500

If you shop around you might get this down to budget.

The MSI board is probably the best B450 on the market.

The RAM is 3200mhz, Ryzen will love this high speed. You could save money finding a non-RGB kit/different brand.

The PSU will be great for this set up and offer some upgrade overhead.

I'd go with the Ryzen system as you have the option of upgrading to the Ryzen 3000 generation which will also run on the AM4 socket.

It will be a great system.

 

[cruzer]

i believe the motherboard is backordered. what would be your next best suggestion? b450 gaming plus?
ive never ordered from b&h but im assuming they are good to deal with? they save me taxes that newegg and amazon charge me

 

[NightHawkRMX]

The b450 gaming plus is a good board but id concider the b450 tomahawk. I have bought from bandh. They are somewhat known for selling tech. I dont know how they are for rmas. The 2600 is not far behind the 2600x in performance for 50 buck less. My reccomendation is to buy a 2600 and tweak the multiplier into a 2600x. You likely dont need to change the voltage.

 

[cruzer]

one last question. should i wait on the new processors? my budget stays the same so buying a similar priced new ryzen im assuming it would be better(and even if not less heat so more overclock headroom?)

does that mean i wont be able to use a b450 board? because if new boards come out and theyre more expensive it might mess up my budget

thanks for the help so far, definitely like the tomahawk and gaming plus boards

 

[NightHawkRMX]

3rd generation 7nm ryzen will use the same motherboards, chipsets, and socket at 1st and 2nd generation ryzen. You could install a 3rd generation ryzen cpu into that b450 motherboard with a bios update and it would work well. There will be new chipsets with 3rd generation ryzen that will unlock new features of the 3rd gen cpus such as pcie 4.0, however with a bios update a b450 board should work with similar performance. I say buy the build today and see what 3rd generation ryzen has to offer.

 

[The Paladin]

well you asked so I offer this Intel suggestion, and for 700 budget I got you a nice I7-8700 instead of i5-8400 enjoy
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Walmart)
Motherboard: ASRock - H370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($87.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Newegg Business)
Case: NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $700.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-14 06:59 EST-0500

 

[NightHawkRMX]

8700 is better than the 2600 in both work and games, so if you can streatch to the 8700 i would. It has more cache and threads, the 2600s main advantage aswell, however the 8700 has strong 1 thread performance. Even though the 8700 cant be oc, i would still get a z390 mobo to get a 9900k

 

[The Paladin]

@remixislandmusic good idea, so I tweaked the break down to consider a 9900K later

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Walmart)
Motherboard: MSI - MAG Z390 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($153.42 @ Amazon)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Newegg Business)
Case: Phanteks - Eclipse P350X (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ B&H)
Total: $746.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-14 07:43 EST-0500

 

[cruzer]

that tomahawk board for intel is really killing the budget. i mean if i go intel i would like to go with it so im future proof even if i start with just an i5-8400.

but the amd build looks cheaper plus still future proof right?

$150 ryzen 2600 $200 ryzen 2600x $185 i5-8400 $300 i7-8700
$115 tomahawk b450 $115 tomahawk b450 $155 tomahawk z390 $155 tomahawk z390
$265 $315 $340 $455

memory/case/psu/storage would be the same across the board any cpu/motherboard choice

i know with the i7-8700 i would get a TON of performance but i can overclock the 2600 and get solid performance right?
i love intels single core performance based on benchmarks but not sure im ready to pay that premium

 

[NightHawkRMX]

The ryzen 5 2600 has plenty of pros:
Cheap price
Good stock cooler
Cheap motherboards available
6c/12t
Overclockable even on stock cooling
Good gaming performance (a little behind the 8600k)
Great multithreaded performance.
ecc support (not too important)
Great upgrade path to cpus even more powerfull than the 9900k.

 

[The Paladin]

Right, the ryzen 5 2600 is a less powered i7-8700 cpu. with overclocking you might get close in performance. but the 8400 still beats the 2600 in single thread.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

The 2600 in multithreaded benchmarks performs closer to an 8700 than 8400, and cost less. With an overvlock is should rival the 8700 in multithreaded synthetic benchmarks. The 2600 will fall a bit short in games but woth an overclock should rival the relatively slow 8400 in games, while beating it elsewhere.

 

[cruzer]

thank you guys so much for helping.

i noticed even the fastest amd processors still have a low single thread performance. hopefully newer games will take advantage of multiple cores but should that worry me or push me to go for intel future upgrade ability? i mean i wouldnt think a new game coming out tomorrow would be bottle necked by a top of the line amd processor a couple years from now but possible?

i could grab the 2600 and save the $50 over the X and grab a cooler if/when i overclock.
from tomshardware review of the 2600 "The overclocked Ryzen 5 2600 only trailed Core i7-8700K by 2 FPS, which is impressive given the -8700K's $160-higher price tag. "
the 2600 was right beside the 2600x both being overclocked

considering im on an phenom x4 955 i assume the 2600 overclocked will be plenty for now and with the b450 tomahawk i can upgrade as soon as its not enough for gaming

but if intel is the best route to go for future upgrades the i5-8400 and the z390 is maybe $80 well spent

 

[NightHawkRMX]

I would say that 3rd gen ryzen offers a better upgrade path than 8th gen. If you buy a z370 board or lower you will only get the cpus available now, no new 8th gen cpu models are released. If you buy z390 you will continue to get new cpus, likely no more powerfull than the 9900k. No matter the chipset, am4 will continue to recieve new cpus untill at least 2020 and 3rd gen ryzen have already been demonstrated live to beating th3 9900k, intels current king, in a head to head cindbench run. Ryzen offers more upgradability but loses in games today. This may change later depending on how games chabge. Both i5 and ryzen 5 are a major upgrade from your current cpu.