ndslite

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Hey guys. Im looking at whether I should get the GTX 660 or Radeon 7850. I can get the 7850 for about 20$ cheaper than the 660. So my question is which one should I get? Is the 20$ increase worth it?
 
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7850 is overclock-able up to 50%, running stable. if you google it you get find the settings for it. I been running it for 1.5 years not a single problem. 7850 kills 650. typically all AMD cards destroy nVidia. not a fan boy but when you buy cards you compare the cards in same price, which means at almost every scenario AMD performs better{cuz they all OC}.

-Note there are too many companies who produce AMD cards which sometimes people find them crappy,
So stick to the good brands... ASUS MSI.... i tested these over years all my AMD cards are still running all fine.

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660 is a little better than a 7850. I personally would get the 660 because of adaptive v-sync and Nvidia cards perform better in most of the games I play. However, I don't think the 660 is worth it over the 7850 generally.
 

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but with a gtx 660... would you really be pushing 30+ fps on the games at a decent resolution at good settings???
 

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The non-fanboy truth:

-If they are the same price (And they sometimes are), get the 660.
- If the 7850 is 10%+ cheaper (In your case it is), get the 7850.


Here is the midrange strength breakdown:

7850 < (+8%) 660 < (+8%) 7870 =?= 660 Ti (Sometimes 10% weaker, sometimes 10% stronger)


The 7850 is slightly weaker than the 660 but when they are both overclocked they tend to trade blows. Thus the 7850 is the better buy usually. Then the 7870 is usually 8-16% stronger, and the 660 Ti is unpredictable but basically equal to the 7870 overall (Though if a 660Ti was the same price as the 7870, I would say get the 660Ti).
 

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A 660 or 7850 can get 50+ fps on most games at max settings 1080p. It's only some of the very demanding games that a little (or not so little) image quality have to be sacrificed to get playable (or enjoyable) frame rates.
 
660, slightly more balanced card. i would like to see a 30$ gap minimum before the 7850 is usuably(coming from a guy who uses a 7850). regardless, both are pretty solid cards and can run ultra in general(well not at 60 fps constantly of course)
 


How is the 660 a more balanced card? It has inferior memory bandwidth with a more powerful GPU while also having inferior performance in many other aspects such as compute workloads that are getting more and more used in games.
 


im just speaking in sense of performance to price/size. being to push the graphics clock for its set specifications is pretty good being generally less when it comes to the actual limitations of the card. its a card that pushes the limitation well alone, compared to the 7850 which has a lot of room that can be improved on still.
 


The GTX 660 does not have the Turbo feature of its bigger brothers and that it is unable to overclock as well as the Radeon 7850 is mostly because of its voltage being locked, not because of it not physically being capable of going further. The Radeon 7850 is also generally cheaper by more than it is slower and many 7850 models have very large factory overclocks (more than enough on some models to best the reference and the most factory overclocked 660s). Sorry, but I just don't see your point. The GTX 660 and 660 Ti were specifically made to be imbalanced compared to their Radeon competition and their GTX 670/680 brothers because that is how Nvidia separated them from the GTX 670 and 680.
 

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Aslong as you follow guides carefully and DO NOT touch the voltage you will be fine.
 
Even touching the voltage within safe limits is fine on the Radeon 7850 cards, except for a few models that aren't worth buying for overclocking. Keeping it around 1.2V is almost always safe (sure, there are failures, but there aren't any more really than at stock, so it's not a good tool in an argument against overvolting). It's not until you do something more extreme where your card is in serious danger unless there are other problems such as a PSU with bad load handling and such.

Still to stay on the safe side, I wouldn't advertise overvolting to someone who has little to no experience with overclocking unless they are helped directly by someone who knows how its done safely.
 

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My previous post was just trying to be as fair as possible but I am aware the 7850 can beat the 660 pretty easily when OC's to its max. As for overclocking: it is completely safe. The card throttles and shuts down if there is too much heat so no worries. I have only seen EVGA NVidia cards get damaged from overclocking.
 
the gtx660 trades blows with the 7870, depending on game title/game settings, this is the truth, not fanboyism, all you need to do is read the reviews to confirm this:

here - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-geforce-gtx-650-benchmark,3297-7.html

and here -http://techreport.com/review/23527/review-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-graphics-card/11

and here - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_660_OC/12.html

the 7850 might win if overclocked, but dont forget the 660 can be overclocked also.
 

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The 7850 fully overclocked beats a fully overclocked 660 most of the time.
 

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I am thinking about getting the MSI 7850 Twin Frozr card for 179.99 or the ZOTAC GTX 660 for 194.99. I understand the 7850 can be OCed. So is the 15$ extra worth it? I have overclocked before, but if i screw up my new card then I wont be able to get another card for quite awhile. So which one should I get?
 
If you get a 7850, make sure that you get a 2GB model. Some games run into memory capacity bottlenecks with the 1GB model in proper settings for the 7850's performance.

I would go for the 7850, but that is because I like a lot of MSAA and I like overclocking. For me, the extra $15 is not worth spending to get what would be a weaker card in how I use my cards. If you don't want to overclock, then the 660 is generally going to have a slight advantage with a few minor losses to the 7850 (the 7850 will fare better if you get one of the highly factory overclocked models). If you do want to overclock, then the 7850's greater headroom should give it the advantage. You could choose based on what you want to do with the card.
 

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For me i'd go with the 7850 it's much cheaper and packs a lot of power if you're going for gaming only, but if you're to do video and photo editing i'd go with the 660 since it has cuda core technology
 
What program you use for editing matters because for Direct Compute and OpenCL, the Radeon 7850 has the GTX 660 beat by a large margin (not that that is much to talk about because the Radeon 79xx cards leave them both in the dust). I also don't think that the Radon 7850 is much cheaper than the GTX 660, on average, unless you're counting the inferior 1GB models.