7870 ghz vs. 7950 vs. 670

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Tom Burnqest

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Exactly what I am seeing. It's a dirty trick just like nvidias sleazy marketing.
 


Haha sleazy? There's a fanboy comment if ever I heard one. Every time I update my Catalyst drivers I get served a load of ads during installation. Whatever advertising/marketing nVidia is doing that you think is 'sleazy', I can't see it being any worse than ads during driver install. Let's try and stick to the facts.
 

Tom Burnqest

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The idea with the 3gb Vram buffer is to give you the option to upgrade to better higher resolutions and muti monitors. not to mention Skyrim modded will use much more than 2gb Vram at 1080.
 

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Thanks for seeing my point sam. These issues are vague and not settled 100%. However, if the issue is proven by well established testing methods, i'd wish a clarification from AMD's side or better a quick fix if it is at software side (at the first article link i gave, both sides insist that this is mostly the fault of game engines, and it seems to me like that). At last, this affects gaming experience of millions of people and i really wish that this is at software side which is easier to fix. And finally @ OP Get the 670 if you have enough capital or 7950 if not :)
 

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Maybe the answer lies it agreeing how much weight to assign to each factor of the video card? How much to value raw performance in what games/benchmarks, vs. power consumption, vs. quality of the cooler and its noise, etc.

If you don't care about noise and are fine with a cheaply made cooler, your "best" card will be different than someone who cares about those factors and is not so impressed with max benchmarks.

Also need to agree on what set of benchmarks to use, whether you include PhysX or Bitcoin mining, etc.

In other words, this is futile and may as well ask to settle once and for all what is the best ice cream flavor, color, car, and supermodel.
 
Well +1 to Technoholic there :) Really it's unfortunate that it's taken the tech media industry so long to realise the flaws of frames/second benchmarking, but better late than never! At least with future hardware generations there should be less ambiguous data to draw conclusions from.
 

Tom Burnqest

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One game does not mean a broken card as well nvidia has performance issues in other games as indicated by the same site you are trying to claim as the holy grail of truth.tit for tat.
 

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THAT is the site at which these "frame time" issue of AMD cards are discussed and there is NO other site that does these frame time tests on single cards, at least not in so much detail. If anything, they claim that AMD cards have these issues not Nvidia lol. I'm trying to make a healthy conversation here and question the issue unbiasedly.
 

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+1
 

Tom Burnqest

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Both nvidia and AMD has these same issues on a per game basis just as performance favorability is on a per game basis.
 


I wonder if playing the most biased games for each brand would make a differenece e.g. AC3 for nvidia reduce latency but increase latency spikes for AMD and in Dirt Showdown, AMD will no longer have the issue and we will see it in nvidia?
 


It would be great if more sites started testing frame rate at the frame per frame level, rather than just FPS. So far, techreport are the only ones really doing it. Hardocp is also a bit unique, in that they test games side by side with the best possible settings for the best experience for each card, rather than just using the same settings. They give you a better idea what the end game experience is, rather than some generic number.

I also agree with the idea that I think most people would be happy with either card choice, but there are some who are more sensitive to latency and/or inconsistent frame rates. I actually experience nausea due to latency, but I don't notice microstutter much, on the other hand, I see a few people who don't have the latency issues, yet are very unhappy with microstutter on mid ranged AMD cards. Everyone is different.
 

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