Hello,
I recently changed my motherboard to MSi X870E Edge TI and now I'm battling an issue with high idle temps, absurd 90C when booting and instant 89C in Cinebench. I don't even know where to start with this circus.
Firstly, no matter what I do, no matter the settings in Bios or MSi Center, every single boot ends up with debug leds showing 90C core temperature, it then comes down (or doesn't, depends what sort of temporary solution I have in place).
Secondly - Cinebench:
First run with both push and pull fans at ~1050RPM and pump at ~2800RPM - Multi core score was 29409 (23 passes), single core score was 1820 (2 passes). Multi core instantly hit and stayed at 89C, clocks for the first 15 passes stayed between 4100-4200Mhz, then 4000-4100, single core never exceeded 5000Mhz between C13 and C14, but kept jumping in the range of 3000 to 5000.
Second run was at full cooling capacity, push fans at ~1800RPM, pull fans at ~1450RPM, pump at ~3000RPM - Basically the same as before, 29735 multi core score and 1821 single core score at same amounts of passes. Also instant 89C in multi core with no more than 4200Mhz across all cores and also no more than 5000 Mhz between C13 and C14 with same frequency jumps.
That was before I tried uninstalling MSi Central (another tryout of temporary solution), now clocks don't even touch 4200Mhz, they hover around 3900Mhz in multi core.
Thirdly - MSi Central, HWInfo and Ryzen Master show completly different readouts when it comes to the clocks - MSi Center says it's 5Ghz flat and constant, HWInfo says some cores sometimes go down to 3,3Ghz and Ryzen Master says that at idle only two cores work at 600-1200Mhz.
Moreover, the idle temps of 60C or more was already happening after a fresh install of Windows, so it was not a result of some tweaks. And the more I try to solve this with Bios or MSi Center "User Scenarios" the worse the temps get. An hour ago I reached 71C idle, I tried uninstalling MSi Center with MSi's own uninstaller, thinking that maybe it's messing with something - not only did MSI Center refused to fully uninstall, it also severly lowered my clocks (as mentioned above, in regards to what happened in Cinebench), but unexpectedly also lowered my temps below 60C, if you can call 59,5C that.
I don't know if it's thermal throttling, some weird Bios settings, MSi Central messing everything up or what, but I need help to resolve this issue, because as things stand it's either ridiculous temps with possible thermal throttling or 60C with clocks lower than they should be. Never once did I manage to get below 55C in idle (and that was a one-time fluke), which is already 30C above my ambient temp.
EDIT:
I reinstalled MSi Center, here's what happens - if I select User Scenario "Silent", then my idle temp is 60C with most cores at 3,6Ghz and two from non-Vcache CCD at 4,2Ghz (according to MSi Center, Ryzen Master shows between 600-1200Mhz), Cinebench multicore is stuck at 3,9Mhz on all cores and immidiately hits 89C. If I select User Scenario "Balanced", then my idle temp is 71C with Vcache CCD at 3,6Ghz and non-Vcache CCD at constant 5Ghz (again, according to MSi Center, Ryzen Master still shows 600-1200Mhz on two cores), Cinebench still hits 89C in an instant, but at least all clock are at 4,2Ghz.
Here's the rundown of the cooling setup:
AiO - Corsair LINK H170i, 3x QX140 in push, 3x RX140 MAX in pull, top mounted as exhaust (back mounted LX140 as additional exhaust)
Intake - Front 4x QX120, side 4x LX120-R
Case - Corsair 7000D
And here's the long list of possible solutions/checks that I tried and none worked:
1. Reapplying fresh thermal paste multiple times and in different patterns (MX-6 and Kryonaut) - no change
2. Different mounting positions on the AiO - top (like it used to be) and front, both with same temp results
3. Changed the stock MOBO mounting to Thermal Grizzly contact frame and back - no change in temps
4. Checked multiple times the AiO pump mouting, to be sure it's not too tight nor too loose
5. Played around with Ryzen Master and changed the control mode from Default to Eco - no change in temps
6. Played around in Bios with different settings, mainly X3D Gaming and PBO - no changes
7. Played around with Windows settings and power plans - no change in temps
8. Updated the Bios and every other relevant app or driver
9. Checked PSU (RM1200x Shift) connections multiple times, I have 2 EPS 8 pin cables connected to the board, same as before
10. I ditched the MSi Center settings
11. Switched my power plan to Balanced
12. Reinstalled chipset drivers for AMDs website
13. Set PBO to auto
14. Set CPPC to Driver
15. Found some info about AMD Cool'n'Quiet, I've found that in my Bios something similar is named Global C-state Control, it was set to auto, which supposedly functions as enabled, but I also switched it to enabled
16. Checked the processes and CPU usage, nothing weird pops up, basically all processes are below 1% usage and the CPU in idle is around 2-6%, with 2-4 cores working
17. Checked the temps with HWInfo - CCD1 and CCD2 are both at ~52C average. CPU (Tctl/Tdie) is at ~62C average with a max of 70.4C Core temps are at ~44C for CCD1 and ~48C for CCD2, with max temp being around 4-5C more, apart from one core - Core7 on CCD1 with max of 55.3C. CPU Hotspot at 58C with max of 59.5C, no weird readouts
18. This is the weirdest one - I've set all my fans to basically 100% speed, NOTHING, literally zero change in temps, still 60 degrees and I've run this test for a solid 20 minutes
19. Lastly checked my AiO - there is no significant difference between the tubes, one is warmer just enough to know which is which, no weird sounds even at 3000RPM pump speed
I recently changed my motherboard to MSi X870E Edge TI and now I'm battling an issue with high idle temps, absurd 90C when booting and instant 89C in Cinebench. I don't even know where to start with this circus.
Firstly, no matter what I do, no matter the settings in Bios or MSi Center, every single boot ends up with debug leds showing 90C core temperature, it then comes down (or doesn't, depends what sort of temporary solution I have in place).
Secondly - Cinebench:
First run with both push and pull fans at ~1050RPM and pump at ~2800RPM - Multi core score was 29409 (23 passes), single core score was 1820 (2 passes). Multi core instantly hit and stayed at 89C, clocks for the first 15 passes stayed between 4100-4200Mhz, then 4000-4100, single core never exceeded 5000Mhz between C13 and C14, but kept jumping in the range of 3000 to 5000.
Second run was at full cooling capacity, push fans at ~1800RPM, pull fans at ~1450RPM, pump at ~3000RPM - Basically the same as before, 29735 multi core score and 1821 single core score at same amounts of passes. Also instant 89C in multi core with no more than 4200Mhz across all cores and also no more than 5000 Mhz between C13 and C14 with same frequency jumps.
That was before I tried uninstalling MSi Central (another tryout of temporary solution), now clocks don't even touch 4200Mhz, they hover around 3900Mhz in multi core.
Thirdly - MSi Central, HWInfo and Ryzen Master show completly different readouts when it comes to the clocks - MSi Center says it's 5Ghz flat and constant, HWInfo says some cores sometimes go down to 3,3Ghz and Ryzen Master says that at idle only two cores work at 600-1200Mhz.
Moreover, the idle temps of 60C or more was already happening after a fresh install of Windows, so it was not a result of some tweaks. And the more I try to solve this with Bios or MSi Center "User Scenarios" the worse the temps get. An hour ago I reached 71C idle, I tried uninstalling MSi Center with MSi's own uninstaller, thinking that maybe it's messing with something - not only did MSI Center refused to fully uninstall, it also severly lowered my clocks (as mentioned above, in regards to what happened in Cinebench), but unexpectedly also lowered my temps below 60C, if you can call 59,5C that.
I don't know if it's thermal throttling, some weird Bios settings, MSi Central messing everything up or what, but I need help to resolve this issue, because as things stand it's either ridiculous temps with possible thermal throttling or 60C with clocks lower than they should be. Never once did I manage to get below 55C in idle (and that was a one-time fluke), which is already 30C above my ambient temp.
EDIT:
I reinstalled MSi Center, here's what happens - if I select User Scenario "Silent", then my idle temp is 60C with most cores at 3,6Ghz and two from non-Vcache CCD at 4,2Ghz (according to MSi Center, Ryzen Master shows between 600-1200Mhz), Cinebench multicore is stuck at 3,9Mhz on all cores and immidiately hits 89C. If I select User Scenario "Balanced", then my idle temp is 71C with Vcache CCD at 3,6Ghz and non-Vcache CCD at constant 5Ghz (again, according to MSi Center, Ryzen Master still shows 600-1200Mhz on two cores), Cinebench still hits 89C in an instant, but at least all clock are at 4,2Ghz.
Here's the rundown of the cooling setup:
AiO - Corsair LINK H170i, 3x QX140 in push, 3x RX140 MAX in pull, top mounted as exhaust (back mounted LX140 as additional exhaust)
Intake - Front 4x QX120, side 4x LX120-R
Case - Corsair 7000D
And here's the long list of possible solutions/checks that I tried and none worked:
1. Reapplying fresh thermal paste multiple times and in different patterns (MX-6 and Kryonaut) - no change
2. Different mounting positions on the AiO - top (like it used to be) and front, both with same temp results
3. Changed the stock MOBO mounting to Thermal Grizzly contact frame and back - no change in temps
4. Checked multiple times the AiO pump mouting, to be sure it's not too tight nor too loose
5. Played around with Ryzen Master and changed the control mode from Default to Eco - no change in temps
6. Played around in Bios with different settings, mainly X3D Gaming and PBO - no changes
7. Played around with Windows settings and power plans - no change in temps
8. Updated the Bios and every other relevant app or driver
9. Checked PSU (RM1200x Shift) connections multiple times, I have 2 EPS 8 pin cables connected to the board, same as before
10. I ditched the MSi Center settings
11. Switched my power plan to Balanced
12. Reinstalled chipset drivers for AMDs website
13. Set PBO to auto
14. Set CPPC to Driver
15. Found some info about AMD Cool'n'Quiet, I've found that in my Bios something similar is named Global C-state Control, it was set to auto, which supposedly functions as enabled, but I also switched it to enabled
16. Checked the processes and CPU usage, nothing weird pops up, basically all processes are below 1% usage and the CPU in idle is around 2-6%, with 2-4 cores working
17. Checked the temps with HWInfo - CCD1 and CCD2 are both at ~52C average. CPU (Tctl/Tdie) is at ~62C average with a max of 70.4C Core temps are at ~44C for CCD1 and ~48C for CCD2, with max temp being around 4-5C more, apart from one core - Core7 on CCD1 with max of 55.3C. CPU Hotspot at 58C with max of 59.5C, no weird readouts
18. This is the weirdest one - I've set all my fans to basically 100% speed, NOTHING, literally zero change in temps, still 60 degrees and I've run this test for a solid 20 minutes
19. Lastly checked my AiO - there is no significant difference between the tubes, one is warmer just enough to know which is which, no weird sounds even at 3000RPM pump speed
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