8 Year Old Computer - Need to upgrade!

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Hey everyone, last September I made this topic:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2794975/year-computer-upgrade.html

[quotemsg=16609568,0,1967395]I am currently using a PC that I built about 7 years ago. I'm hoping to upgrade, but I'm not completely sure what to keep and what to replace. I know the Mobo, CPU and RAM need to be replaced. I'm hoping I don't have to replace everything, so I can spend my money on a good Mobo, CPU and RAM. I'm thinking I want to go Skylake and DDR4 RAM. I won't be building this right away so waiting for Skylake, etc. to be more available won't be a problem.

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Here is a list of my current specs with notes:

Motherboard: ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131013

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor Dual-Core 3.0 GHz Socket AM2 125W ADX6000CZBOX Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103773

RAM: G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098
(I later got 2 more gigs for 4GB total)

GPU: EVGA 01G-P3-1373-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130568
(I upgraded my previous card to this 4 years ago or so)

Power Supply: Rosewill RX750-S-B - Xtreme Series 750-Watt Active PFC Power Supply - Continuous @ 104 Deg. F (40C), 80 PLUS Bronze, ATX 12V v2.2 & EPS 12V v2.91, SLI & CrossFire-Ready, Compatible with Core i7, i5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182067
(Is it safe to keep a power supply this old? I'm pretty sure the watts are still overkill, but I don't know if it being so old is a saftely hazard. Should I replace it or is it fine to keep until it dies?)

Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102012
(This card caused BSODs a few years ago so I removed it. Do people still use sound cards?)

Wireless Adapter: D-Link WDA-2320 Rangebooster G Desktop Adapter IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Up to 108Mbps Wireless Data Rates
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127075
(I didnt realize how slow this was, but I'm not sure I need to replace. I have a Wireless-N router and my Internet speed is only 6.0 Mbps [I get a bit less than 1 MB/s download speed] Also the most recent update for this causes BSODs, when I reverted back I had no problems. Still running the old version)

Case: NZXT LEXA-NP Black/ Silver Aluminum Construction Plastic Front Panel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146018
(I really like this case and it still works, but one fan makes extra noise and many of the LED lights dont work. I also am worried about ports (no USB 3.0 ports in front, etc).

Monitor: Hanns-G HX-191DPB Black 19" 5ms LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 700:1 Built-in Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254013
(No idea why I'm posting this monitor. I know it's not widescreen, but it still works good and I'll probably use it until it dies, haha.)

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I am running Windows 7 currently. I also recently got a 500GB SSD and have older 1TB drives I use for storage/backup. We won't worry about Keyboard and Mouse. I hope I didn't forget anything. I'm basically looking to replace as little as possible, within reason. Suggestions on a Mobo and what features it should have to be future proof would be helpful as well. And yes, I know nothing is really future proof, but I'd basically like to get the longest lasting bang for my buck (who doesn't?).[/quotemsg]

In that thread I got a great response:

[quotemsg=raisonjohn]
Ok, so based on your current PC and your foreseen budget, here's my suggestion for your upgrade:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X31 69.5 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($112.49 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) (Purchased For $0.00)
Case Fan: NZXT FZ-120mm LED 59.1 CFM 120mm Fan ($10.99 @ Directron)
Other: NZXT LEXA-NP Black/Silver ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (Purchased)
Other: 1TB Backup HDD (Purchased)
Other: 500GB Solid State Drive (Purchased)
Other: EVGA 01G-P3-1373-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 1GB (Purchased)
Other: D-Link WDA-2320 Rangebooster G Desktop Adapter (Purchased)
Other: Hanns-G HX-191DPB Black 19" 5ms LCD Monitor (Purchased)
Total: $693.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-11 14:35 EDT-0400

The above parts can be grouped as your "first batch of upgrades" given the $700-$800 initial budget. My reasons for selecting the parts were as follows:

CPU:
It was necessary to upgrade the CPU (with the motherboard and the RAM) first before the GPU to avoid any bottlenecks if it was the other way around. Your preference to upgrade to Skylake was heavily considered. It seemed logical as you wanted to "future-proof", that is, make your build last several years. The recently-released Skylake processors, as of this date, are quite limited. Actually, we only have 2 readily-available processors to choose from - the mainstream Core i5-6600k (3.5GHz) and the performance Core i7-6700k (4.0GHz). With a price difference of $120 between the two, the more affordable i5 has the clear advantage in terms of price-performance over the more expensive (but more powerful) i7. Both processors have 4 cores (but the i7 has Hyper Threading Technology effectively making it perform on 8 threads vs the i5's 4 threads). Both can be overclocked. But the i7 only has a range of 200MHz (from 4.0GHz to 4.2GHz) while the i5 could cover more ground at 400MHz (from 3.5Ghz to 3.9GHz).

MOBO:
Consequently, the with the choice of the recently-released i5-6600k CPU having a Socket 1151, a recently-released and compatible motherboard was chosen - the Asus Z170-A. This motherboard has more than enough features, such as a good number of connectors (SATA, USB, M.2, Thunderbolt, etc.), multi-GPU support for either Nvidia SLI or AMD CrossFire, and 8-Channel Audio with DTS support on ALC892 Audio Codec (you won't be needing that sound card anymore), it will be more than enough to suit your present and future needs. And, not that it matters, but I chose a Black/Silver/Gray color theme to match the other interior components of your rig and your case.

RAM:
Due to the motherboard upgrade, the RAM modules follow. We now have the newer and faster DDR4 memory (again, for "future-proofing"). Although the motherboard can support higher memory speeds (up to 3466MHz on overclock), I opted for the more affordable 2400MHz. I got 2x8GB sticks as I wanted the other 2 slots open, not only for future upgrade (as you probably won't need more than 16GB total), but to ensure that the memory controller is not stressed out during overclocking if all slots are filled. And, again, not that it matters, the same Black/Silver/Gray color theme was selected.

PSU:
Although your current power supply is still working, we cannot discount the possibility that its efficiency (and reliability) may have decreased in the long years it has served its purpose. I recommend to upgrade the PSU right away in this first batch of upgrades for safety purposes (that CPU-motherboard-RAM purchase is not cheap!). The main reason for selecting the EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold is for a future GPU upgrade. I was looking along the lines of either a GTX 970, GTX 980, or GTX 980 Ti which requires 500W, 520W, or 600W, respectively. Should you choose any of these GPU's in the future (in the second-batch), this first-batch PSU upgrade will already support it. The EVGA model I chose is a high-quality Tier-1 category power supply that should be good for a long number of years. The 80+ Gold rating also helps in reducing electricity costs in case you'll be running your rig full-time 24/7 (or close to that). It is also fully-modular so you'll only put in the cables you need in case your chassis has poor cable management design (I noticed that the PSU is top-mounted, so, there will be less cables dangling above and interior airflow not be obstructed).

OPTICAL DRIVE:
I chose a basic DVD/CD Writer in this first-batch of upgrades, nothing special here (I'm not sure if you already have one as you didn't mention it in your post).

CPU COOLER:
This shall be required since we have selected an unlocked CPU for overclocking. Replace the stock cooler that comes with the CPU with this aftermarket CPU Cooler. I choose the NZXT (same brand as your case) Kraken X31 69.5 CFM 120mm Liquid CPU Cooler for this purpose so that you can mount the fan/radiator at the 120mm rear fan slot of your current case. I initially wanted to get the more affordable Air Cooler (Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo) but I cannot find any data regarding your case's dimension/clearances if such air cooler can fit.

CASE FAN:
Just to address your concern about the defective and/or noisy fan/s you currently have. The 120mm fan in this upgrade will be mounted at the front intake. As you already have the rear fan slot to be occupied by the 120mm radiator fan of your CPU Cooler, all that's left is the 80mm fan slot above (exhaust). It's your call if you want to add another fan in that location (this will make your interior airflow to have more negative pressure).

Now, for your "second-batch" of upgrades, it will only comprise of these 2-4 major items:

GPU:
As I mentioned above (in the PSU), the best price-performance upgrade would be any of the following: GTX 970, GTX 980, or GTX 980 Ti. I put the GPU in the second batch because this is one of the more expensive upgrades you will do (and harder to decide). More importantly, your upgraded CPU will not bottleneck your current GTX 460. If you upgrade your GPU first, your current AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ will decrease the upgraded GPU's performance.

MONITOR:
This will now be a personal preference depending on which GPU you opt to purchase. All recommended GPU's (GTX 970, GTX 980 and GTX 980 Ti) will definitely max out games played on a 1080p resolution. Going to a 1440p, the GTX 970 will run most games around 50-60-ish fps while the GTX 980 and GTX 980 Ti will have no problem. If your current monitor is still going strong by the time you will do this second-batch of upgrades, you may also opt to go with a dual-monitor setup. This will increase your productivity with 2 screens simultaneously open and partitioned in a way you seem fit (e.g., MS Office/Gaming on the main monitor while Internet/Social Media/Reference in the other monitor).

WI-FI ADAPTER:
By then, you may also get a good wi-fi adapter card with a connectivity that supports the faster 802.11ac. Of course, you may also opt to purchase a new wireless router with the same speed (although not necessary as the 802.11ac has backward compatibility with the slower 802.11a/b/g/n). Though it may seem unnecessary if you have slow ISP package/Internet connection with low Mbps, the added speed of the 802.11ac is beneficial should you be sharing your files with other wireless devices in your local network. In upgrading the Wi-Fi Adapter, it is best to choose a brand/model with antennae stand/extensions for better reception rather than having the antennae fixed at the back of the case.

CASE:
I picked the parts above with the intent of keeping your current case. I share the same comment - that case looks awesome. Wish it had USB 3.0 front headers. You might just have to go with a USB 3.0 Hub connected to the back of your case to get that perk.

So, that's it. Hope all of this info will help you in making a final decision on which parts to actually purchase. Good luck in your upgrades![/quotemsg]

NOW I am finally ready to make the purchase, but it's been half a year and I was hoping someone could look over raisonjohn's post and tell me what should be updated, OR, make a post with their own suggestions. All my statements about what I want and already have are the same, except I do think I will be getting a case (would like USB 3.0 and fans that work Dx). I would still like to keep the price at $700-800, but what I really want is the longest lasting price vs performance PC.

I would really appreciate the help!

 
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@Hyozans Someone posted the same question you had about the i5-6500, and I found it after my last response. Check it out.

Tom's hardware: Does the Intel core i5 6500 stock cooler keep the CPU cool enough
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2950865/intel-core-6500-stock-cooler-cpu-cool.html

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My monitor is listed under the parts that I have, it's a Hanns-G 1280 x 1024 5ms. I am planning on using this and do not intend to buy a new one at this time.

I will be mainly using this as a gaming PC, and I would like to be able to run things as high as possible within the money range I posted. That said, I will not be overclocking.
 
At that resolution for gaming, you won't need a lot of graphics power. A simple i5 build will last you many years.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($197.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B150M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($31.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: PNY CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($169.99 @ B&H)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX TS 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $680.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-29 20:53 EDT-0400
 

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Thanks for the suggestions. I don't need storage and I was thinking it would be better to hold off on the GPU and upgrade everything else better (like raisonjohn's suggestions). The CPU seems like a good idea, but I am curious about the MOBO. It's like half the price of Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard suggested by raisonjohn. I've always had a hard time understanding price differences in MOBOs. I know some have more features but eh??
 
The motherboard are priced primarily according to what features they offer. The Z170 board he recommended is designed for enthusiasts and overclocking. It has a lot of features you may or may not need, such as RAID, SLI support, M.2 slots, overclocking features and more. If you're not going to use any of those features, save your money and put it towards something else in your system you do need. Same thing with the unlocked processor he recommended. If you're not going to over clock, the i5 6500 is a better value. The difference in both CPU's at stock speeds is slight. Only when overclocked will the 6600k have a major advantage.
 

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I just noticed the MOBO you linked is MicroATX, doesn't that mean it will be too small for an ATX mid-size case? (i'd rather have a midsize tower than smaller or larger)

Also.. is there any other disadvantages to going smaller with your MOBO like a MicroATX? I really don't mind a regular size. and I'm worried about where things would sit in the case, etc.
 
+Hyozans I know your question was posed to BadActor, and I'm sure he'll answer you when his schedule allows. But I just wanted to contribute to the conversation. The larger case (mid-ATX) can accommodate a smaller motherboard. Most of the downsides he's already mentioned, such as you'll only be able to install one graphics card. But if you wanted SLI support, you'd probably upgrade to a Z170 chipset anyway. The only minor issue that you might come across in the future is the two RAM slots on this board. If you bought 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) now, and wanted to upgrade in the future, you'd have to remove the two RAM chips and add two 16 GB DIMMs. But 16 GB is more than plenty in the year 2016, and by the time you needed more than that, you'd probably be ready to move on and upgrade from this platform anyway.

For the record, I love the build that BadActor configured for you. If you wanted to scale-up and upgrade, you could, but it depends how far you'd want to extend your budget. For example, for $70, you could upgrade the GTX 960 to the AMD RX 480 with 8 GB of RAM. The power supply he selected is powerful enough to handle that. You could upgrade the RAM to 16 GB, you could add $50 and get a better case. I'm a huge fan of the Fractal Design Define R5; especially the non window blackout edition which is an all black color scheme. You could upgrade the storage further. You have tons of options here.
 

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I appreciate any help, thanks guys! I really appreciate the info - it's been so long since I've built my last computer (and that was my first xD). I do think I will go with 16 GB of RAM.

I think I'm almost ready to start making purchases, but I have one more question. Does the CPU BadActor listed come with a heatsink/fan? I couldn't find it saying anything about one on the newegg page. If it does, since I will be gaming (with newer games as good as I can make them look ;p), should I invest in something better (like liquid cooling system) - or is there little point?
 
Your i5-6500 include does indeed come with a stock Intel cooler, but the 6600k does not. The stock cooler with the 6500 is sufficient since you won't be overclocking. With that said, I personally would purchase a 3rd party CPU cooler anyway. An AIO (all-in-one) water cooler is complete overkill for a non-overclock i5 CPU, unless you want a cleaner looking build or bragging rights. For that extra $100 cost, you'd be better served by upgrading another component of your build, such as the CPU and/or the graphics card. For example an extra $40-$45 would yield you a i5-6600K. With that CPU, you'd definitely need to get a Cryorig H7 or Hyper 212 EVO. But if you want a Corsair H110i GTX just because you want it, then get it.

FYI: When it comes to gaming machines, I personally would invest anywhere from 25% to 40% of my budget into the GPU alone. But that might just be me.
 
@Hyozans Someone posted the same question you had about the i5-6500, and I found it after my last response. Check it out.

Tom's hardware: Does the Intel core i5 6500 stock cooler keep the CPU cool enough
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2950865/intel-core-6500-stock-cooler-cpu-cool.html
 
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Thanks for your help, rcald2000. I think I might try the heatsink included and if I don't like how hot it's getting I'll upgrade. I think I'm going to try and stick it out with my GTX 460 for now, so I can spend more money on a better video card down the road. I haven't actually gotten any NEW new games yet for my PC (except I'll be getting Overwatch but I think it can handle that well enough).