$800USD gaming pc (South Africa)

Chiefomatic

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Approximate Purchase Date: Withing 1-2 weeks

Budget Range: <R11000 (about $800 USD)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, browsing, very little coding, rendering, potential streaming definitely not priority

Parts Not Required: Optical Drive, Harddrives, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse

Case: Coolermaster Haf X


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: www.wootware.co.za ; www.Evetech.co.za ; www.landmarkpc.co.za www.takealot.com

Country: South Africa

Parts Preferences: Really don't care about brands. Just want the best for my price range.

Overclocking: Maybe, within safety, Very light.

SLI or Crossfire: No

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Since I live in South Africa product prcing are somewhat diffrent than some other countries.

I have the following choices so far.

Wootware:

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Video Card: GALAX - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB EX OC Video Card

Evetech: (They sell what they call upgrade bundles which includes CPU, RAM and Mobo)

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 OC OVERCLOCKED Edition 6GB (Should get stock soon)

I don't mind buying from different shops.

If think of anything else I would edit this post.

Thank you so much in advance. I am by no means a hardware expert so would love to know what the experts have to say.
 
Nice build options and good advice on the PSU's.

See the memory QVL PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard my advice would be to pick a kit that is marked as SS in the SS/DS column as Ryzen performs better with single sided modules. Tons of options on the QVL for SS kits Im sure many of the 2400 speed kits are in your budget just not sure which ones you can come by.

If your budget was higher I would say look into the memory kits built using Samsung B-die integrated circuits but these don't come cheap.
 
regarding PSU, sell them both. thay r not good. get a seasonic s12 520/evo 520 or evga g2/g3/b3 550w or xfx ts, corsair cxm550 r some of the best units.

regarding upgrade bundles, the asus prime is a good mobo, the only gripe i have is they r low speed ram. ryzen benefits from high speed ram. look for 3000/3200 mhz rams.
 

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Thanks for the reply.

None of the stores here sell seasonic PSU's. most of the EVGA's are really expensive but I'll see if I can sell those PSU's to buy a better PSU.

Just keep in mind I have a strict budget and going for higher speed RAM will cost a lot more.

 

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Thanks. I'll keep this in mind. What about the other choices? I can't really find any good reviews on the galax gtx 1060 exoc.

 

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Thanks. It's the cheapest 1060 6GB I could find. Will keep that then.

I'm in the process of selling those 2 PSU's.

Just a side question: How safe is it to overclock your CPU/GPU? I've never really OC'ed anything and always felt that it might damage the components.



 

Lutfij

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When shopping for a PSU, try and pick a unit that is as close to Tier 1 as possible, period!

As far as ram is concerned, do you have access to G.Skill's Flare X ram kit? f so then you should pick one of them up that is rated to run at 3200MHz.

I will need some time with your sites to cross check them. You mentioned 1-2 weeks so I assume I can get back to your thread in about 24hours. Out of curiosity, are you leaning towards an AMD RyZen build? instead of a performance per dollar/rand kind of scenario? I'm simply asking since I know that the prices in your region are higher than most places in the world due to taxation and import charges. So if anything, Some/most of the answers will help in routing you to a good build.

Furthermore, are you open to the idea of downsizing your system? Perhaps sell the HAF X? You didn't include the make and model of your storage device/drives. Please include it.

Lastly, it's a good idea to continue with followup posts and not edit the first post of this thread, to help users understand the progression of this thread.
 
Get these components.
Comes out a bit above budget but way better value.
http://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-f4-2666c15d-8gvr-ripjaws-v-8gb-4gbx2-2666mhz-ddr4-cl15-1-2v-red-desktop-memory.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/western-digital-wd10ezex-blue-1tb-7200rpm-sata-6gb-s-64mb-cache-3-5-inch-internal-hard-drive.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/corsair-cp-9020102-cx550m-550w-80-plus-bronze-certified-semi-modular-desktop-power-supply.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/corsair-cc-9011086-ww-carbide-series-88r-windowed-side-panel-mid-tower-atx-desktop-chassis.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/zotac-zt-p10610a-10l-mini-geforce-gtx-1060-3gb-gddr5-192-bit-pci-e-3-0-desktop-graphics-card.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/asus-prime-b350-plus-amd-ryzen-socket-am4-atx-desktop-motherboard.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/amd-ryzen-5-1400-quad-core-3-2ghz-3-6ghz-turbo-socket-am4-desktop-cpu.html
 

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I could not find the Flare X anyware, but could find the following 3200mhz DDR4 RAM:

Lucky_SLS mentioned it is better to go with 8GB now at higher mhz than 16GB @ 2400mhz. If thats the case I can afford to get 3200mhz 8GB for now. My choices are:

G.Skill F4-3200C16D-8GVKB Ripjaws V 8GB (2x4GB) 3200MHz DDR4 CL16 1.35V Black: R1377

Corsair CMK8GX4M2B3200C16R Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 3200MHz DDR4 CL16 288Pin 1.2V Red: R1431

Corsair CMK8GX4M2B3200C16 Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 3200MHz DDR4 CL16 288Pin 1.2V Black: R1479


I am in no rush to buy might even take more than 2 weeks. I would say that I'm leaning towards Ryzen, but performance/dollar/rand is more important.

My apologies I forgot there are a lot of diffrent model Haf X's. This is the Haf X I have.

As for storage I have 2 WD Blue 1tB 7200RPM hdd's and 1 Seagate Backup+ 2TB external.
As for drives I have a normal LG DVD-rom. Not sure what you mean about downscaling. I really like this case. It has plenty of big fans and I love the design so really want to keep this if all the items fit inside.

let me know if there is any other info you require and thank you so much for taking the time to answer!
 

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Like I mentioned in the reply above this one I really want to keep my current case. It is pretty big so I hope all the new components fits into the case. For now I wont be adding any more storage so I can focus on getting better hardware.

I do have a question though: Is it worth it to go for the 6GB version of a card? Or is that overkill for now? As I understand it that today it might not be necessary but in the future we might need more?

 

Lutfij

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By
... and producing.
What do you mean exactly? Video, photo or music? How light are we talking about?

By down scaling, I meant to ask if you'd like to build a smaller system...?

Unfortunately the Corsair 88R suggested by Chugalug_ will not be compatible with the Asus Prime B350-Plus motherboard since the chassis is mATX while the board is ATX. As opposed to what is being said about having 8GB as the norm, if you're looking at productivity work and ofc work off of Adobe's software suite, you're going to benefit most form having more ram. In this argument, you're going to need at least 16GB's of it, regardless of what frequency you go for. Dual channel memory config is more of a plus instead of getting the single most highest capacity stick of ram.

Speaking of frequency, after the recent slew of BIOS revisions pretty much any board that accepts a RyZen processor on it can take the memory to 3200MHz however there are documented cases of reviewers (and my known faces) relaxing timings to get to those high frequency's.

Do we need to factor in shipping+VAT charges? Are those included in the price tag shown ff the sites you've linked? I ask since the prices of the parts on Landmark PC are inclusive of VAT albeit some parts are more expensive than Wootware. Which leads to wonder if the prices on Wootware are inclusive of VAT?

FYI, some of the prices of the GPU's on Evetech are a little lower.

That being said, here's my suggestion:
http://www.wootware.co.za/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-hex-core-3-6ghz-4-0ghz-turbo-socket-am4-desktop-cpu-cooler-not-included.html -R3,999
http://www.wootware.co.za/msi-b350-tomahawk-amd-ryzen-socket-am4-atx-desktop-motherboard.html - R2,499
http://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-f4-3200c16d-16gtzb-tridentz-series-16gb-2x8gb-3200mhz-ddr4-cl16-1-35v-grey-red-desktop-memory.html - R2,199
http://www.wootware.co.za/evga-210-gq-0650-v1-650w-80-plus-gold-certified-semi-modular-desktop-power-supply.html - R2,199
http://www.wootware.co.za/galax-geforce-gtx-1060-exoc-6gb-gddr5-pci-e-3-0-desktop-graphics-card.html - R4,199
^ Yes that is over your budget for a system that should end up lasting a good 3-4 years if you maintain the same heading, then it's worth the money + the cost of parts in your region doesn't exactly allow you to swap out parts ever so often thus the need to go with what is the most your budget will allow.

Likewise, I've also pulled up an Intel i5-7500 Build:
http://www.wootware.co.za/intel-i5-7500-3-4-ghz-quad-core-14nm-kaby-lake-socket-lga1151-desktop-cpu.html - R3,349
http://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte-ga-b250m-d3h-ddr4-lga1151-b250-kaby-lake-micro-atx-desktop-motherboard.html - R1,499
http://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-f4-2400c15d-16gvs-ripjaws-16gb-2-x8gb-ddr4-2400mhz-cl15-1-20v-desktop-memory.html - R1,799
http://www.wootware.co.za/evga-210-gq-0650-v1-650w-80-plus-gold-certified-semi-modular-desktop-power-supply.html - R1,492
http://www.wootware.co.za/galax-geforce-gtx-1060-exoc-6gb-gddr5-pci-e-3-0-desktop-graphics-card.html - R4,199

Hope this helps and as always, if you'd like more answers to your questions, we're here! ;)
 


Ah right my bad, forgot, was tired when I wrote this! :)
An RX 580 is a better value fit atm, keep the VS 650, it's the better unit of the two.
I also believe a 1400 is better value, you don't need the 6 core for much tbh, 8 threads should be heaps.
http://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-f4-2666c15d-8gvr-ripjaws-v-8gb-4gbx2-2666mhz-ddr4-cl15-1-2v-red-desktop-memory.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte-radeon-rx-580-gaming-gv-rx580gaming-4gd-4gb-gddr5-256-bit-pci-e-3-0-desktop-graphics-card.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/western-digital-wd10ezex-blue-1tb-7200rpm-sata-6gb-s-64mb-cache-3-5-inch-internal-hard-drive.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/asus-prime-b350-plus-amd-ryzen-socket-am4-atx-desktop-motherboard.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/amd-ryzen-5-1400-quad-core-3-2ghz-3-6ghz-turbo-socket-am4-desktop-cpu.html
 
the VS isnt good at all. dont bother keeping it. i am sure in that regard.
also, i feel the i5 7500 is better than the 1400. the ryzen 5 i would recommend r the 1500X if its cutting close or 1600 for sure. u cant go wrong with 1500X and 7500. they both r the same if u ask me. in the future perhaps with multi core optimizations, the 1500X can overtake 7500.
 
For the load that's being pulled it'll be perfectly fine, no point replacing it at this stage, better done when he actually goes above an RX 580 or 1060.
The 1400 can be easily OC'd to 1500X levels, I put it in the save on costs.
 

Lutfij

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If that unit breaks down then the unit will take out much more than itself. It's already been established that bad units exist only for the price point and the lowest end units don't cater to replacement of other hardware when the PSU goes kaboom.

I forgot to include the cooler, thank you for bringing that up Lucky_SLS! However I was referring to the 1600x, not the LG Electronics 43UJ6300 UHD Smart TV you'd linked prior. I would've initially included the 1500x in the list however I noticed you chip off 900 rands and loose two cores on each front. The higher core count will help in the productivity scenario alongside the ram.

Unfortunately, OP hasn't gotten back to my question as to the scope of his production goals hence, I wait.

 
^ my bad on the LG one, was replying to another post in the display category ;)
i feel that 1600 is enough for him. he is sportive to overclocking. and that full tower HAF case helps in ventilation n cooling. not to mention lowering his overall cost. thats my take.
 

Lutfij

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...lowering his overall cost.
Point made!

IMHO, RyZen lacks on some/most fronts due to lack of optimizations. If software dev's were quick to get off their laurels we'd be seeing some good numbers out of RyZen's platform. I assume as time rolls on the scenario will iron itself out after subsequent software revisions. Afterall, AMD does offer a compelling price point when compared to it's only rival, Intel.
 
Here's a 1600 list, comes out to right around 11000.
http://www.wootware.co.za/amd-ryzen-5-1600-hex-core-3-2ghz-3-6ghz-turbo-socket-am4-desktop-cpu.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-f4-2666c15d-8gvr-ripjaws-v-8gb-4gbx2-2666mhz-ddr4-cl15-1-2v-red-desktop-memory.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/corsair-cp-9020102-cx550m-550w-80-plus-bronze-certified-semi-modular-desktop-power-supply.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/corsair-cc-9011075-ww-carbide-100r-mid-tower-atx-desktop-chassis.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte-radeon-rx-580-gaming-gv-rx580gaming-4gd-4gb-gddr5-256-bit-pci-e-3-0-desktop-graphics-card.html
http://www.wootware.co.za/asus-prime-b350-plus-amd-ryzen-socket-am4-atx-desktop-motherboard.html
 

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