8350 or 4770k only rendering, money not important, no gaming

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i do graphic works with many applications, full load of cpu at all time
I know amd is cheaper it doesn't matter, the matter is which one can finish the job faster, rendering and many other things at the same time

also heating is of importance

my own decision was 4770k judging by benchmarks but some people saying for my job things are different.
i need some advice

thank you
 
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depends on which rendering program you use. this is the one field where a 8350 will outperform a 4770k, however it's not true in all cases and rendering programs. Some of them there is a significant advantage to going with intel, others a solid advantage for the AMD.

Generally speaking unless you're using one of the programs which is clearly intel optimized the 8350 will be a better option. That said since money isn't an option i'd get the intel. I'd also get a high end firepro or quatro graphics card (chose one based on the rendering programs you use) as gpu based rendering can work pretty good too. For more information on this, read this article here. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493.html
 
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I would first suggest looking at server boards, mainly multi-cpu boards. It can sometimes serve better to get multiple slightly slower CPUs than go for broke on one very fast one. Also, as ingtar33 notes, it very much depends on what programs you are using and which they've been optimized for. In general AMD has an edge. My brother works in computer graphics, probably a very similar area as you, and has used a socket 1155 Zeon, an AMD 8150, and currently is running two 6100 Opterons. But, if it's a choice between the 4770K and the 8350, you're probably better off going with the 8350.
 
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and using some analyzing instruments at the same time specially when the circuit contains too many IC and elements
 
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I'm sorry but I'd like to see some graphs and benchmarks backing up that statement about the 8350 beating a 4770k

Op if money is no object the 6 core 4930K coming in September if your best bet
 
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ingtar33

Have to go with Intel God on that, while the 8350 will outperform an i5 4670K in rendering (though that's all it can beat it at), it's no match for a 4770K or even the IB 3770K....I have a few clients that work in video and imaging and they won't touch an 8350.....
 
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I already got a PNY VCQ6000-PB but still confused about the cpu
from what I see here, the ones backing intel already got an intel, thats not a fair judge, has anyone experience works with both cpu
that would be suffice for me to have his opinion on this case

I also cant wait coz a rig's been added in workstation, and must be packed up soon coz I need it, and I need only a cpu to complete it
gonna find it a day or two
 
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8350 does best the 3770k in photoshop...but 4770k is just a few seconds ahead...

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OP: If you need more than a 8350 for rendering, you need a 3930k, the difference between that and the 4930k won't be enough to matter.
 
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Yes, I've worked with both quite a bit, and a couple of the people I mentioned that do video/imaging for a living came to me after wasting money on the 8350...Other's in the field won't touch it except for occasional work. I quit building AMD prior to the 8150 because they were simply no match for Intel's line of CPUs, but I built both and 8150 and an 8350 when each respectfully came out (actually the 8350 before the public release and saw nothing in either to convince me to start building AMD again....the 8350, as said, will outperform a 3570K (an i5) on rendering, but that's it, and overall is basically only an a par with the 2500K (i5) from 2 generations ago. When compared to the i7s, 4770K (current gen), 3770K (last gen) and even the 2600K (2 gens ago), it's no contest....additionally, the 8350 is very limited DRAM wise Up to about 16GB of 1866 and 32GB of 1600 (with a very good 8350)...compared to the 4770K that can run generally 32GB of 2800, 3770K 32GB of 2600......or even a 2500K 32GB of 2133
 
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Tradesman, you act as though the unsupported memory on the AMD system will be worse than the unsupported memory on an Intel system...yet the AMD products scale better with memory bandwidth.

I think you're talking in circles. No offense here, but if you use unsupported RAM on Intel, it should work just as well on AMD. Especially considering that AMD scales better with more memory bandwidth, and the AMD boards support as much RAM as any of the Intel boards. Some AMD boards (most) even support 64 GB RAM, for when they eventually release 16 GB DIMMs.

I have worked on 3770k's and 8350's. I have an 8350 in my home machine. I am a game developer. I use a great deal of the same programs this guy does. Frankly, I wasn't impressed. The money I saved by not buying Intel went into a SSD and that made far more difference than an extra 2 seconds from the 3770k ever would have.

I run 16 GB of 1866 MHz DDR3 in my home machine, since I use it for a little of everything...

OP: As I said before, if you need more than the 8350 offers in rendering muscle, get the 3930k. The difference between the 3770k/4770k and the 8350 isn't enough to matter.
 
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At stock no, but the 8350 (in general mind you, no going crazy can OC to about what 4.8 maybe 4.9), same with the 3770K....For the 8350 that's a + of .8 .9, vs the 3770K of + 1.2 1.3GHZ,so that's a big difference and the only things AMD have that scale well with DRAM are the APUs, The FX series drops considerably as to what it can handle as the freq goes up...they long ago ran from claiming the FX series is native 1866 and have admitted for some time now that 1866 is about the max....see their own freq guide:

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ddr3memoryfrequencyguide.aspx

I have yet to see anyone run 32GB of 1866 on a 8350, although three here on the forums have argued about this very point and each and every one claims to be doing exactly that - yet when I ask for CPU-Z shots to let me see the timings and all for my reference and for me to get ideas for new approaches to doing this....hmm...guess what, not a single image
 
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While I agree with you that there won't be a major difference between the 3930K and 4930K there's no point paying 599.99 for sandy e when if you wait a month and a half you can get the 4930K for 599.99. One major difference will be much higher memory speeds. Mmm quad channel ddr3 2666
 
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Great kit! and it fits AMDs model, 1866 at 1 DIMM PER CHANNEL, 2 sticks....but toss 2 more of those in there and maybe it'll run, though might have to drop to 1600, or loosen the timings to a base CL10 to try and stay at 1866....or you may have what I've been searching for a really, really good 8350 that might run 32GB of 1866...........have high hopes their Steamroller will have a stronger MC and more OC ability,,,,might be a mistake, but I figure I'll be buying one (if I can't get a prerelease one, which I doubt, I'm part of the reason for that freq guide they put out, which shows the truer capabilities of the CPU's and what they can run, to say the least, they were not happy with me 😉 )
 
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Except that he needs it now...no time to wait...so the 3930k makes sense there, he can upgrade later if he wants a better memory controller.
 
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Well, I will likely buy another kit when I upgrade to SR (the wife wants my home PC for her piddly stuff...) I might test things out before I finish building the SR FX build when the time comes and see what happens...
 
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If amd can meet their claim of 30% ipc ill be buying steamroller day 1.
 
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Agree, I've got feelers out to try and line one up, would love to have them finally give Intel some competition, adding a second decoder per module for the ALUs and the FPU ea might turn the tide along w/ the floating point pipeline, though haven't heard much about that in specifics
 
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Vishera is still slower then bloomfield IPC wise but that 30% would do wonders.
 
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i thought i was pretty clear when i said it depends on the program. about 30-40% of rendering programs work better on an AMD 8350 then an i7... the trick is that leaves 60-70% of them working better on the i7 (and in some cases a LOT better). that's why i said if money is no issue, he should be getting the intel.

I also suggest he look into getting a solid workstation gpu as well, because there are some very nice gpu based rendering programs out there.
 
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I'd still like to see what, I haven't seen a single program that does anything, that a 8350 runs better than an i7...unless of course doing what AMD favors, OC the 8350 as far as you can and run the i7 at stock.....that seems to be AMD idea of 'being fair'
 
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