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I'm planning on building an audio/video encoding rig and I want the best processor for my money. Would this processor fit the bill? If any of you have this processor then feel free to comment on it.
 
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Only one guy had this CPU and he took it apart to prove his firend their where actually 2 cpu on it...So no one has it anymore.

For video/audio encoding this is probably the strongest chip around especially if you run more instance of your programs.

Nos its probably not the best processor for your money because it his outrageously expensive and the only difference with a plain 840 is the HT.

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oh and good luck finding one not in a dell, last I heard only major OEMS had them.

If you really wanan go the dual core route the Athlon X2 might be a more sensible choice

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Are you friends with SpaceDonkey?

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What are you talking about? Newegg, Zipzoomfly, Mwave and many other online venders carry the 840 Extreme Edition. I don't know where you're getting your information from. On a side note, I'm also looking at the X2 4800+.
 

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I just asked you if you were friends with SpaceDonkey. Why are you being so mean to me?

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Hey if you ask me that I would be pissed too :wink:

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I rather suggest an AMD x2, even the low end 4200+. Simply, the chipset and motherboard are more mature, the PC3200 RAM cost less and is fast enough compared to DDR2, need less care about cooling and consume less power.


Unless you dont care about reliability, the the 840ee might do good, but to me, having a system that is stable is much more productive than having one that may crash or throttle down in speed.

But if you want to stay with Intel, just get the normal dual core. They are cheaper, consume less and should be better for long term reliability. They might not be as fast as AMD dual core, but their cost and performance will be sufficient.

In the end, just ask you if you really need to multitask with more than 2-3 apps when encoding, and if the other task you'll do really need 100% of CPU usage. I'm sure that even a lower cost Intel 820 or 840 might be sufficient..

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Mozzartusm,

That comment of mine was not directed at you, so relax. To answer your question I do not know who Space Donkey is.
 

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I may end of waiting for Intel's next-generation dual core processors (Presler). They will run cooler and comsume less power. I'm sure Intel will release a next-generation dual core processor with HT support.
 

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I would really be scared to put my money in the 840EE . I havent made up my mind for sure yet, but I would need to see alot of convincing evidence that would support the 840EE before I would sink the cash into it. The flip side is this. The ASUS P5WD2 MOBO that supports the dual core is a jam up good MOBO. It also supports the single core 600 series. If you could catch one of the 600 series on e-bay at a good price then you could go that direction. The 600 series single cores didnt seem to be much of an improvement over the 500's at first, but now that I have had time to really work with one I can tell you without a doubt that the 600's will give you a significant performance boost over the 500's

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Ooops my information is outdated, it was true a little while ago
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You picked the wrong forum for Intel advice. This forum is full of AMD fanboys and you will not get a good answer (Obvioudsly).

840EE is the best choice for what you plan of using it for. I would suggest the P5WD2-D motherboard as well. They are very stable.

I would suggest a good aftermarket heatsink like the Zalman for best results. The stock one is fine if you have correct case air flow.

Im running the 840EE now on air 266x14 = 3.73Ghz

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As FUGGER said this forum is full of AMD fanbois, so don't hear the opinions, look at the facts.
Just read the stress test here in THG.
No wait that test proves that the 840EE is crap too.


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*Cough* Liar *cough*

Review 1: http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?page=7&articleid=682&cid=1 - AMD X2 Wins video and Audio encoding

Review 2 - http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_3514901__6 - Pretty Equal between X2 and 840 in video

Review 3 -http://www.behardware.com/articles/571-7/dual-core-athlon-64-x2-4800-and-4400.html - Pretty Equal between X2 and 840 in video

Review 4 - http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=6 - The X2 crushes the 840 in all video and audio reviews.

But in the end it's up to you, but I just want to quote THG:
"The performance drawback on Intel's side is something we would absolutely be willing to live with for the sake of the multi-tasking experience, and we don't really expect the Pentium D to have any trouble being accepted by the market. However, there is something that we can't really tolerate: the Pentium D system manages to burn over 200 watts as soon as it's turned on, even when it isn't doing anything. It even exceeds 310 W when working and 350+ W with the graphics card employed! AMD proves that this is not necessary at all: a range of 125 to 190 Watts is much more acceptable (235 counting the graphics card). And that is without Cool & Quiet even enabled.

Here's the bottom line. If we had to recommend a single core processor, the choice would depend greatly on the type of applications in use. But in the dual core arena, though, there is not much that speaks for Intel: go with the Athlon 64 X2."

So, go with whatever you want, but consider bouth companies (especially AMD :p).
 

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No, hes not lying. This thread like most others that seek advice on Intel has done nothing but run this guys post into the ground. This guy specifically said that he was building a rig for video encoding. No matter what you think of Intel, the 840EE is the best CPU on the market for what this guy wants to use it for. Unless something changed in the stress test, that was the one category that Intel walked off and left AMD in. Even Wusy suggest the 840EE for what this guy wants to use it for and you wont find anyone that will call wusy an Intel fanboy.

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Mozzartusm...You have lost it, Why pick the best processor for the job. You know thats not how chips are marketed, sold, and bought.

If you look at the facts a nice 333Pentium could get that video encoding done. Yes, it may take two to three days and not 6 min like the 840EE...but somethings should be done slowly. Remember....the tortiose wins the race!!

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? I only siad that 840EE isn't necissarily the best for video-encoding, which I proved with my links. Most of the X2 reviews has shown that Intel's days of glory when it comes to video encoding has gone with the release of the X2.

And when it comes to the stress test, that only proved that when running 4 processes, with three set to normal, and one to low, the one with the low priority gets less cpu-time, and that ht overrides this, since it appears to windows as 4 cores.

But hell, even thg proved that X2 is better than 840EE when it comes to encoding, this are the single thread results (encoding) from thg:

MP3 encoding of the CD: AMD system has 4.7% better performance;
DivX encoding of the DVD: AMD system has 28.2% better performance;

And secondly, I only pointed out an alternative, and gave arguments why he should be that one insteadd. But as I said, it's up to him.
 

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I have one. Had one, then switched to a regular Extreme Edition single core, now I have the 840EE again. Believe it or not, the 3.73EE is faster in my experience. even though it only has ONE core (but my investigations showed the 840EE only has one realy core as well). If you really want fast, I would buy two Xeons at 3.6 GHz with big caches, you will have high clock and be sure it has two cores and it will be more stable too.

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Your so off the point its not even funny. This is the type of mindset that is making things really hard to handle around here. The guy asked about a rig for video encoding. It may be one of or maybe the only places that the EE will shine,but in this category it kills the AMD.

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