8600gts extreme / 8800gs on Pentium 4

rado_88

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First of all I just wanna say hi, as this is my first post on your forum:)

I'm going to buy a new video card next week, budget somewhere between the two cards I mentioned. My rig is a Pentium 4 Lga775 @3ghz currently overclocked at 3.6, 2 gigs of ram @ 600mhz, geforce 6800 and an asus p5gd2 motherboard.

I would go for the 8800gs without hesitation, but i'm afraid the cpu will bottleneck it and it won't be much over the 8600 gts. What do you guys think? Will it be bottlenecked? I don't wanna spend 50 bucks more for nothing:p

p.s the 8800gs is from gainward, 8600gts extreme from leadtek
 

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The word "bottleneck" is very overused by some people you'll talk to. I highly doubt your processor will bottleneck the 8800gs. I just hope you realize that the 8800gs is not really strong when it comes to gaming.

What is your budget? I can look around Newegg and see if something better falls into the amount you want to spend.

If you are not buying the 8800gs for gaming...well then nevermind. If you hope to play all the latest games with all the eye candy up and at 1440x900 resolution then you need to look at a different card.

Oh, and welcome to the forums.

William
 

rado_88

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Yeah, I realize the 8800gs isn't quite the card for gaming, but then again, the rest of my system isn't either. I'm just looking for a temporarily solution till a new system comes up, and 1152x864 resolution will do for now:). This one's a lost cause anyway, but I don't have the money to change it right now. I've got 200 bucks, let me know if you can find anything better at that price. Thanks
 

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Well if you get an 8800gt you can take it with you :). But if your holding over even the 8600 will give you a nice boost over your 6800 for cheap. I'd go cheaper and save the 50 bucks.
 

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I really wouldn't mind spending the 50 bucks if I knew for sure the 8800 gs would work at its full potential. I'm worried about the processor and all that old stuff in the pc holding it down, that's why I put the 8600 in the equation in the first place.:D
 

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Are you considering buying a new comp?If you are by 8600GTS.If it is for a long time by 8800GS.Got it? :)
 

pauldh

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Don't really agree with you. The 8800GS is excellent for gaming. It's twice the gaming card the 8600GTS is. All relative of course, but the 8800GS is great up to 12x10 with aa or 16x12 without aa.




 

pauldh

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What games do you want to play? I just got done comparing an 8800GS paired with a single core A64 4000+, X2 4200+, and X2 5600+. I can show you how cpu affects performance in Crysis, Oblivion, Fear, farcry, NFS carbon, Test Drive Unlimited, and 3dmarks (2001,03,05,06).

As far as the CPU, not doubt it will often hold the card back in some games (and/or parts of some games). But still worth going for the 8800GS over the 8600GTS IMO. It will allow higher resolution and even fsaa, even if the CPU causes the need to lower the detail levels. Not sure on your prices as in the USA we don't have gainward, and it's not a $50 difference. 8800GS is a bargain here.
 

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Lot of people do overuse the bottleneck word around but a single core processor will definitely bottleneck many of the games out today when the game is optimized for dual core. Usually losing 50% performance over dual core.

How is 8800gs not strong for gaming? When it is within 25% performance of a full G92 and 2- 2.5x the performance of 8600gts. Beating out 3850 and is neck and neck with 3870 in many of the benchmarks.
 

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lol...you just your gs is all...hehe :love:

Nothing wrong with that, I was gonna buy a GS over an 8600gts, then I saw the 9600...then the gt blew me away, but I ended up with the gts because I cheaped out on the e8400, so I had to have something non budget in here...lol

 

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I don't love my video card. I've had many video cards ever since 3D appeared on PC's and I'm too old to love my video card but I am a PC gamer who is satisfied with the performance and is the right card for my 19" LCD. I'm just laying the facts here. I don't know how someone can say it's weak for gaming when it can play everything maxxed out with AA except for Crysis. Again even the best single card out their in the market can't max out crysis.

If he was talking about 8600gts. Okay maybe I can understand but still 8600gts isn't a bad card long as you keep the resolution down.
 

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Price issue aside talking about in performance perspective. Not the best card but it does hang with the big boys.

My best card was a 9700pro. First card to incorporate 256bit bus on full 8 rops. Easily maxxed out games for years.

Anyways 8800gs is a much better card than 8600gts. 8800gs no question about it even though your cpu is on the slow side. You can easily carry this GPU over when you get a better system.
 

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I think I'll go for the 8800gs. I'm not looking for a stronger card right now, although royalcrown's offer is tempting:). I'm planning on buying a whole new system somewhere at the end of the year and I don't want to carry over any components from the old one. And the 8800 series will substantially drop the prices by then, I think. Anyway, I'm just looking for a transitory solution so I can play some of the goodies on reasonable fps and details for now. I was fearing that the 8800gs would do somehow the same performance as a 8600gts on my system but from what I understand, it depends on the games. right:p
 

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The best card I've ever had is the 6800, I've been carrying it for almost four years now. And it still plays some of the latest games. I played call of duty 4 on medium and 1024 resolution, assassin's creed also ran reasonably on 800x600 with almost everything on hi (it had dropdowns to 8-10 fps when there were a lot of characters in the scene, but that wasn't very often). It's severely overclocked anyways. I'm proud of it:D. It was one hell of a card back then
 

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Rest assure you can play Call of duty 4 @ 1920x1200 maxxed and still spit out 60 fps on a 8800gs. You can easily do 8x AA at the resolution you are targeting.
 

rado_88

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I reinstalled the game yesterday and maxed it out for when the new card arrives:D
One more thing - I have Pci-e 1.0. Will there be a problem for the pci-e 2.0 GS?
 


Well as far as affecting the performance goes how does Not at all grab you :D
Oh and im in a picky mood tonight and will add Oblivion to Marvs list of games you wont max out on it :)
Seriously its a great card and like Marv says you have to match the card to your needs, it may turn out to be slightly overkill for your system but i would rather have slight overkill (8800GS)today and play tomorrows games, than slight underkill(8600GTS) and have to upgrade in 6 months time.
Mactronix :)
 


Come on yourself,
Max 57 FPS @1280X1024 Min 40 Avarage of 49( rounded up), with Grass and self shadows off. Grass draw distance at 50% and no AA isnt my idea of Maxing a game out.
You can reinstall it if you want but i just finished a review with a skulltrail board and a 9800GTX and that wasnt doing it so i know your rig cant.
Mactronix :)
 

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Come on yourself, I reinstalled oblivion. Everything maxxxed at 1440x900 16xAF
Intown 30-70fps

outdoors 30-50fps

Maybe skulltrail board were talking about Karl Texture pack with much more detail textures. It usually makes your frames turn into half with that texture pack.

 

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