8700 vs 8600k?

[Sochie]

I literally have a 8700 sitting at home and I'm seeing overclocked 8600k getting higher single core benchmarks. Now personally I have never OC before but if an Asus or gigabyte mobo can autoclock the i5 to all core single core > locked 8700 for 60$ less than isn't better to buy that? Especially since we have to get z370 board regardless??

For gaming I'm talking... you will need a better cooler with either I feel so it really comes down to the heat I think?? 8700 better cause will be cooler (locked 65 vs 95?) but i5 puts out hotter better fps by 1-5%?

 

[chemmajorp53]

If you already have the i7 I wouldn't sell it by any means. The i5 might be a tad faster in some games but it's not going to make or break your experience.

 

[WildCard999]

Don't use auto overclocking software as (IMHO) it will give your CPU too much voltage and can eventually damage (electromigration) the CPU, plus it will cause unnecessary high temps due to the higher voltage. While the 8600K may have better single core performance the 8700 does have the 12 threads so it will handle multi-tasking/streaming/etc much better.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

I literally have a 8700 sitting at home and I'm seeing overclocked 8600k getting higher single core benchmarks. Now personally I have never OC before but if an Asus or gigabyte mobo can autoclock the i5 to all core single core > locked 8700 for 60$ less than isn't better to buy that? Especially since we have to get z370 board regardless??

For gaming I'm talking... you will need a better cooler with either I feel so it really comes down to the heat I think?? 8700 better cause will be cooler (locked 65 vs 95?) but i5 puts out hotter better fps by 1-5%?

i agree with chemmajorp53. When you say 1-5% that translates to maybe 2-3 FPS depending on what resolution you play at and what games you play. Yes, the 8600k maybe have faster 'single core' performance, but at the level of both CPU's it's practically unnoticeable, except in benchmarks. In gaming, although the FPS may increase slightly, if your gaming with the 8700 at 150 FPS (lets say for arguments sake) is it gonna feel any different than gaming at 153 FPS with 8600k. The answer is a simple NO. If you aboslutley must have the max FPS, then the 8600k is gonna win by a tiny margin. In everything else though the 8700 will win out, and still get 99% of the gaming prowess the 8600k will give.

You have a great CPU, don't be worrying about performance, or OC'ing. You wouldn't need to do that anyway for a time, even with a 'k' spec CPU. Both those CPU's will stomp all over any of todays games, and both will drive the best GPU's out there at the moment, and SLI/Crossfire set ups with ease.

Enjoy your 8700 be happy out

 

[geofelt]

It comes down to how many threads will be useful to you. 12 for the 8700, 6 for the 8600K.

For games, you will rarely see more than 2-3 threads effectively utilized. Most games respond to faster single core performance.
The 8700 will allow a single thread to turbo up to 4.6, so it is a reasonable gamer.
OTOH, it looks like it is not hard to oc the 8600K to 5.0 on all 6 cores.
My thought is that the 8600k with an overclock will be a very good gamer.

For kaby lake, it took a good cooler in a well ventilated case to manage overclock temperatures. I expect coffee lake to be similar.
When you oc, it is best to use the simple bios approach. Automated overclock systems may be too aggressive.
Simply raise the multiplier so long as you are comfortable. Voltage will adjust.
The key is to keep vcore reasonable, under 1.4v.
It is the vcore that raises temperature.
Look at the noctua TDP guidelines for their coolers:
http://noctua.at/en/tdp-guide
NH-D15s or NH-U14s seem to be plenty.
Buy a case with sufficient front intake capability for the cooler to do its job.
two 120/140mm front intakes is plenty.

You will have trouble finding a 8600K to buy, making all this discussion possibly moot.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

It comes down to how many threads will be useful to you. 12 for the 8700, 6 for the 8600K.

For games, you will rarely see more than 2-3 threads effectively utilized. Most games respond to faster single core performance.
The 8700 will allow a single thread to turbo up to 4.6, so it is a reasonable gamer.
OTOH, it looks like it is not hard to oc the 8600K to 5.0 on all 6 cores.
My thought is that the 8600k with an overclock will be a very good gamer.

For kaby lake, it took a good cooler in a well ventilated case to manage overclock temperatures. I expect coffee lake to be similar.
When you oc, it is best to use the simple bios approach. Automated overclock systems may be too aggressive.
Simply raise the multiplier so long as you are comfortable. Voltage will adjust.
The key is to keep vcore reasonable, under 1.4v.
It is the vcore that raises temperature.
Look at the noctua TDP guidelines for their coolers:
http://noctua.at/en/tdp-guide
NH-D15s or NH-U14s seem to be plenty.
Buy a case with sufficient front intake capability for the cooler to do its job.
two 120/140mm front intakes is plenty.

You will have trouble finding a 8600K to buy, making all this discussion possibly moot.

yeah, but he can't OC with the 8700. The OP doesn't have the 8600k.

Regarding the CPU usage. You are right, that for the moment 'most' games don't fully utilise more then 2-3 cores/threads. But there are plenty of games that do. an example being BF1. In addition, games like BF1, AOFS, Desinty 2 and all the newer games coming out, will take full advantage of multicore/thread CPU's. It's not as if a core or thread needs to be at 100% load for the thread to be used and helpful to performance, And the core/thread usage will only increase from here out.

The bigger problem for a lot of folk who are buying these chips, is the massive saturation of the market. With so little differentiating between chips, and their relative performance, it's hard for people to choose the right hardware.

Either way, both chips are top performers, and if the OP choose to stick with the 8700 he won't be disappointed at all. If he decides to go with the 8600k for the 1-2% increase in FPS only, then that's his decision too! I don't think the OP would be disappointed either way.

 

[Sochie]

I have to wait 30-60 days to buy a 1080 TI anyways and I could return and pick up 8600k in a few weeks I'm sure... appreciate all the advice... and honestly I'd love to OC and like the idea of all that jazz... but I'm also afraid of not knowing what I'm doing... at the end of the day im sure what he said above applies... throw in a 1080ti and probably wont look back

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

I have to wait 30-60 days to buy a 1080 TI anyways and I could return and pick up 8600k in a few weeks I'm sure... appreciate all the advice... and honestly I'd love to OC and like the idea of all that jazz... but I'm also afraid of not knowing what I'm doing... at the end of the day im sure what he said above applies... throw in a 1080ti and probably wont look back

you won't look back

On the OC'ing thing. It can be fun. It can also be a bit daunting if you've not done it before. They key though is research. Look up you CPU/Mobo combo for overclocking in Google, and watch/read/learn. With some small changes, you can get an extra boost in performance. You won't kill your rig (unless you do something really stupid) as long as you follow decent guides and learn as much as you can before doing the OC'ing.

Good luck and have fun