9600K? 2700X or no X? 2080 or 2070

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Do I sound confused? I shouldn't be. I've been building PCs for years, and done plenty of posting here. But I'm a little torn... I've read lots of threads, benchies, etc. I think I know my answer. Smart money probably goes to 9600k and a 2070. Its just hard to resist the 2080 at $200 more.

PC is mainly for gaming. I have 2 monitors, one 28" 4k I bought to use with my current R9 390X, and an LG 32" ultrawide, 2560X1080. Billed at 75hz, but I can never get it to work right on anything other than 60. Gaming at 4k sounds great, but I really like the ultrawide. Only reason I'm thinking the 2080 may not be overkill is my kid's Rift. It currently runs fine on the rig in my sig. He will be getting my current rig, 390X with 6600k, 16GB Ram. As VR gets more demanding, we can move it to my PC. But I'm guessing by the time that happens, I'll have probably upgraded again.

If I'm being honest, my current rig runs everything I want it to flawlessly. CS:GO, Battlefront II, Battlefield series, The Division, etc. I play lots of stuff. But its been 3 years and I'm ready for a new one.

The 2700 with B450 board is only $30 less than the 9600k with Z390. I do use my PC for work sometimes, but no streaming, video encoding, etc. I have a build in my cart on newegg for just shy of $1800 with 9600K, 2080 2TB M.2 SSD, 16GB Ram. Thought about flipping it to 9700k and 2070, but I'm thinking the 9700 just isn't worth the price premium for me.

Any thoughts, opinions or real world experience?

Thanks in advance.
 
Buy your cart.
9600K is a considerable upgrade over your 4690K.
6 threads vs. 4(you are doing ok with 4 now) and a likely clock rate around 5.0.
Since budget is a bit of a concern, 9700K should probably be a pass.

What ssd exactly?
I like Samsung evo. There is a recent announcement of a Samsung 970 evo plus.
Actually, from a value point of view a sata based ssd gets you lots more capacity per dollar.

I like the rtx2080 in your cart It is a considerable jump over your r9-390x.
If you buy anything less, you will always be second guessing yourself.

As to real world experience, I wanted a 4k monitor and knew I would also need a gpu upgrade.
I bought the monitor first Philips 40" 4K with a 60hz refresh rate.
It worked reasonably well and so I better knew what graphics upgrade I needed. (GTX1080ti)
In your case, you now know that the R9390x is not good enough so you can feel confident the your cpu and gpu upgrades are going to do the job.
 

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Some clarification. My current setup is 6600K with 390X. The 4690K with 970 is my son's PC. I never updated my sig. He always gets the hand me down.

Current selected SSD is M.2 Intel 660p. Hard to argue with that one at $270. Unless someone give me a solid reason not to. Love to have the 970 Evo, but it's almost twice the price. I can get the 860 Evo sata for $318 currently, but is it really worth spending the extra? I've done a bit of research on SSDs, but I've not dived head first into them.
 

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I'll be using liquid cooling regardless. I've OC'd in the past, and probably will again.
Decent liquid cooler? Cooler Master

I've always had to skimp in the past. I am by no means rich, but don't have to skimp as much as I once did. Don't want to be stupid with my money either. So I'm looking for a good medium.

So one vote for 2700, one for 9600k. This is probably the most in depth benchmark I've seen: https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3407-intel-i5-9600k-cpu-review-vs-2700-2600-8700k 9600K at stock leads by a fair amount.
 
If you expect longevity out of this system with the ability to play triple A titles, do yourself a favor and go with the 2700. These demanding games will fully utilize the ten extra threads and the single core performance of the i5 won't mean squat when it's constantly pegged at 100% load in the near future.
 

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Lol, their conclusion is why I was looking for some real world experience if it existed. Consider my mind boggled. I understand newer doesn't always mean better, but was leaning toward 9th Gen. I'm not against an 8700K by any means, but for $50, may as well bump up to the 9700K. Let's be honest, on a 60hz monitor, any extra frames over 60 is for show. Things change. I may opt to use my 4k monitor (I forget the refresh rate). The old fart in me will probably never stream, but my kid wants to. Options, options, options... but without breaking the bank.

We're talking an $80 swing between 2700 with B450 board and a 9700K with Z390. If one gives me 100FPS and the other 105, $80 for 5 frames is silly. I do want to max any current title on my 2560X1080.
 
Go with the Ryzen higher core count like a 2700x then. You have a low refresh rate monitor now, so intel's high IPC won't matter and when you upgrade your monitor to 4k, it will matter even less because the only factor limiting you at that point is the graphics card. Extra frames at 60hz isn't for show. It just won't be shown. If you want system longevity at 4k via triple A titles, i'd go with the higher core count because at 4k the only thing that is going to matter is if you have a strong gpu and your processor meets the recommended system requirements.
 

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I tend to do a new build every 3 - 4 years. I'm at 3 for my current rig. Any reason to look at the X370 or 470 boards over the B450? Sorry, I haven't brushed up on my AMD chipsets recently.
 

Better power delivery. Going with an eight core Ryzen chip, and investing in 4k gaming. You can swing an x470.

 
Personally it’s I7 or Ryzen. The current and last gen i5 can already be maxed out in a few games, ok maybe not an issue at 4K FPS but the i5 is already showing its limitations in some scenarios and lack of headroom for the future.
 

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I guess I need to brush up on all my parts again. I just don't have time to post like I used to, so I don't keep up. Why would that be? I've been reading some of Redneck5439's replies in CPUs. He was pretty adamant about the 2600X from a value play. Of course prices have come down a bit, so the value piece isn't quite as strong.

I guess I could get crazy and go for the 9900K, but I'm pretty sure I'll be right back here in 3 years wanting to upgrade again. I don't believe in future proof. Things change way too fast in tech.
 

You can do it, but i'd rather go 2700 with x470. Pairing a x470 with a 2600x will work, but that chip isn't high end and doesn't draw as much power, so power deliver isn't as demanding.
 

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OK, so actually strongly leaning toward the 2700 with X470. Do you recommend a different cooler that won't break the bank? I'm not sold on liquid. I've almost always used the 212 Evo, but liked the liquid cooling option on my current 390X. And it looks cleaner. Would be my 1st foray into liquid cooling a CPU.

Do the dual fans here help? Or something else altogether? I'm saving $60 with the 2700 over the X version, but let's not go nuts.
 

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Yes, a 240mm is going to be better than a 120mm. More rad surface area, to dissipate heat. If you want the look, then that CM is your cheaper option.


If your system is capable of handling it, these air coolers are good ones, at their respective price points. I would look up some reviews for them. I believe tweaktown has covered them all.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/YwGkcf,cwPzK8,F3gzK8,FRYLrH/
 

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This is where I think I've ended up. Prices a little off below. $1740-50 if I grab the CPU/Mobo combo at Microcenter.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RcpXtg
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RcpXtg/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($259.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i PRO 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($161.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Intel - 660p Series 2 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($269.99)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB VENTUS Video Card ($719.00)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox MB511 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Thermaltake - Toughpower Grand RGB 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1736.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-25 22:27 EST-0500
 
Save $100 and use the stock cooler. Ryzen is a 65w chip and doesn't run as hot as Intel. This build has better memory, motherboard and power supply.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($259.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG Crosshair VII Hero ATX AM4 Motherboard ($254.91 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel - 660p Series 2 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($269.99)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB VENTUS Video Card ($719.00)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox MB511 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1799.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-25 22:55 EST-0500

 

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Seems I read somewhere the stock cooler isn't enough for much of an OC, and I will play around with it to see what I can get. But if I don't need much, may as well flip back to the CoolerMaster ones I linked above. I see absolutely ZERO point in spending $250+ on a motherboard. It is possible to get quality without spending $200. I do read reviews/opinion pieces etc. Just no reason to spend that much. I was thinking the 750 Gold may be a bit much. $60 is a good price for the 650 EVGA. I've never used anything but G.Skill Ripjaws in the past, but the mem I linked actually got good reviews. I don't have to go that cheap, but I'd like to be a bit more frugal than $180. I've done some reading on the Ryzen memory. If 2933 is the cap, why wouldn't 300 work as well?
 
The Crosshair VII will overclock better. The infinity fabric of Ryzen processors make use of fast samsung b-die memory. The kit I recommended not only has higher bandwidth, but tighter timings at 14ms latency. 2933mhz isn't the cap. I have a b350m 1st gen motherboard and it runs at 3200mhz. Higher end b450/x470 can run even higher.
 

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So you're recommending a very high end motherboard to overclock better, but a stock cooler which won't allow me the best overclocks? There is nothing wrong with the board I picked. I do appreciate the feedback, I just think you're off on this one. I started out asking about CPU and GPU. I think that's mostly been settled. As I mentioned, I do research on my own, and ask questions when and where I need. I may take your advice on the memory. I did notice the tighter timings. Necessary for what I'm looking for? Meh, maybe.

And while I'm at it, if I'm going to spend $250+ on a motherboard to OC to 2700X levels, better play is to go with the 2700X and the board I picked. I'll still go with liquid cooling just because it looks cleaner to me. Hopefully less clearance issues with RAM heat sinks as well.
 
That's fine you'll definitely get what you pay for. An AIO for a 2700x is overkill and if i'm limited on a budget it wouldn't be my option. You can get away with an air cooler for a fraction of the price and still hit the same overclocks. However if you want it and budget can be flexible then good luck with your new build.
 

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