A new reason to debate over MAC vs PC

[FUGGER]

Upgrade path for existing devices is very simple, all manufacturers need to do is change from PHY400 to the new PHY800, it will be backwards compatable.

Apple uses passive cooling, if you would like to see the heatpipe technology on the new duals I will upload them. They will continue to mount the 120mm fan in the case to cool the large passive heat sink.

I dont think you guys know how huge the newest heat sinks are. They are fricken huge and made of copper.

No reason to switch if you use PC, service beauro's and graphic houses will surely welcome them with open arms. Animation may get the biggest boost and this is where the G5 will shine the most IMO.

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>

 

[juin]

are you sure of this claim that G5 2GHZ dont have fan on it that really hard to believe.In any case IBM/Motorola/Apple have fail in the past and will fail again.They go again X87 again Microsoft.Personaly i think IBm dont care they just want mass producting from any thing

[-peep-] french

 

[markgun]

It has two fans for blowing air over the encased heatsinks and two exhaust fans right behind encased heatsinks. <A HREF="http://www.applelinks.com/news/gifs/G5openbig.jpg" target="_new"> Picture</A>. I don't consider having 4 fans specifically for the processors passive cooling. Each to their own I guess. I guess he's considering it passive because there are no fans mounted directly on the heatsinks.

 

[FUGGER]

I have new G4 1.4 duals (fastest shipping PPC's) that do use a passive heatsink and heat pipe technology. Like I said I can upload pictures for you if you have not seen them yet.

Like in the G5 picture linked is a passive heat sink with fans mounted elsewhere on the case.

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>

 

[reever2]

Gotta wait till august, Apple has set the bar for 64bit performance on the desktop.

rrrrrrrright..... you mean apple *may* set the bar for 64 bit performancxe on the desktop

 

[juin]

Does your Dual G4 1.25 GHz is faster that your P4 on canterwood my guess no all benchmark show that you will need in theory 3 G4 to equal a single P4 3.0C let alone presscott or Dual opteron or dual Xeon 1MB.

[-peep-] french<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by juin on 06/29/03 11:09 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[BigRat]

IMO the external styling of the casing doesn't look as good as the g4.

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[eden]

Gotta stick with Juin on this one. Let's face it, the Pentium 4s, including the future Prescott will make sure Apple can't make a dent. SSE2 (SSE3) on Prescott machines in animation or rendering will make sure there is little reason to own a Mac.

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If I could see the Matrix, I'd tell you I am only seeing 0s inside your head! :tongue: <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Eden on 06/29/03 11:46 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[eden]

SPEC results show very weak FPU compared to the highest end 3GHZ CPU. Assuming Dual Xeon 2.8GHZ can really pack a wallop, I fail to see where the G5 can hurt.
Especially in almost any rendering application which by now has at least one optimization for the Pentium 4's SSE2 or architecture.
We are now with competition of 2*2GHZ G5s, to think that past Macs were renowned for per-clock performance, now it needs 4 billion ticks to possibly perform, and even then a machine that runs at 3GHZ will destroy it. Assuming it has good scalability in Dual mode, it could prolly perform at what a 3GHZ G5 would do. That in other words shows that the P4 has higher IPC in fact than a damn G5. Dunno if I should believe my extrapolation but it just seems to be that.
It's sad Fugger, it just is. Prove us it will kick ass in animation, PROVE US. I am inclined to think a damn 2000$ P4 machine could finish the job faster and won't need half the RAM.
And that 3000$, that doesn't even include the extremely lovely 17" LCD from Apple does it?

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