Question A novice CPU bottleneck question

[Dynamism]

Hello,

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
GPU: Gainward RTX 2060 Super

My question might be in the realm of "stupid questions", but hopefully that is of no concern. I'm planning on upgrading to a 4060ti since they're now being sold at a reasonable discount in where I live. I play at 1080p and 99% of the time on the lowest available settings to boost my FPS (240hz display). Naturally, the 3600 & 4060ti pairing will present a CPU bottleneck, about which I'm a bit concerned.

My current issue is that the newer titles I play run fairly well at around 150 - 200 FPS, however, when the FPS occasionally drops to around 100 - 119 (a lot of objects/textures on screen), the subsequent choppiness is a bit too bothersome. The main purpose of me getting a new GPU would be to combat those FPS drops. I'm not looking to necessarily increase the max FPS, instead I'm just after some more "stability".

So, the CPU bottleneck would definitely prohibit me from reaching the GPU's potential in certain scenarios, limiting the max FPS otherwise reachable, but what about just stabilizing the average FPS? To my knowledge a CPU bottleneck shouldn't significantly affect this, or?

Thanks in advance.

 

[NanoSuit3]

So here's the scoop; CPU or GPU bottlenecking isn't a myth it's real & it don't lie these dayz. With that said a 2060 Super is already bottlenecking your 3600 by a huge majority of 19.1% of your general tasking throughputs including gaming wise which would sky rocket no matter what game it is. SO if you were to be getting a 4060 Ti 16Gb which I'm not saying you shouldn't cuz it's a CRAZY awesome GPU with a 4080 VRAM size amount would kind of fracture the 3600 in half alone doing general tasks. Best alternatives to this matter would be to simply same socket upgrade your CPU instead to say a 3900X as it's crazy good with the 2060 Super otherwise & I'll give you the numbers here for bottlenecking if you were to upgrade only to the 16Gb ED would bottleneck at 44.3% alone general tasking so yeah..............................This wasn't a "stupid question" if you were worried about it & ain't gonna judge cuz................I did it too................Went from a 9900KS to a 12900K because of it bottlenecking at 33% with a 4060Ti 16Gb ED over my previous 2080Ti OC ED. BUT.................If you were to actually commit to solving fully about this stuttering bottlenecking issue; consider getting a Ryzen 9 5950X as it's the best & highest same socket CPU to diminish bottlenecking to under 10% General tasking with the 4060Ti 16Gb ED.................................food for thought..............................But unlike some stupid NGR idiots who think they know better than someone of 18 years than by all means doubt my claims...................................Fracking Repub Nutcrckr

 

[Zerk2012]

With that said a 2060 Super is already bottlenecking your 3600 by a huge majority of 19.1%

Where did you get the 19.1% number from?

 

[Zerk2012]

Hello,

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
GPU: Gainward RTX 2060 Super

My question might be in the realm of "stupid questions", but hopefully that is of no concern. I'm planning on upgrading to a 4060ti since they're now being sold at a reasonable discount in where I live. I play at 1080p and 99% of the time on the lowest available settings to boost my FPS (240hz display). Naturally, the 3600 & 4060ti pairing will present a CPU bottleneck, about which I'm a bit concerned.

My current issue is that the newer titles I play run fairly well at around 150 - 200 FPS, however, when the FPS occasionally drops to around 100 - 119 (a lot of objects/textures on screen), the subsequent choppiness is a bit too bothersome. The main purpose of me getting a new GPU would be to combat those FPS drops. I'm not looking to necessarily increase the max FPS, instead I'm just after some more "stability".

So, the CPU bottleneck would definitely prohibit me from reaching the GPU's potential in certain scenarios, limiting the max FPS otherwise reachable, but what about just stabilizing the average FPS? To my knowledge a CPU bottleneck shouldn't significantly affect this, or?

Thanks in advance.

Buy it and enjoy.

 

[NanoSuit3]

Where did you get the 19.1% number from?

Ryzen 5 3600 and GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER build in General Tasks | Bottleneck Calculation | PC Builds

Bottleneck calculation for AMD Ryzen 5 3600 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER for General Tasks. Containing solutions how to resolve bottleneck.

pc-builds.com

 

[Rogue Leader]

Hello,

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
GPU: Gainward RTX 2060 Super

My question might be in the realm of "stupid questions", but hopefully that is of no concern. I'm planning on upgrading to a 4060ti since they're now being sold at a reasonable discount in where I live. I play at 1080p and 99% of the time on the lowest available settings to boost my FPS (240hz display). Naturally, the 3600 & 4060ti pairing will present a CPU bottleneck, about which I'm a bit concerned.

My current issue is that the newer titles I play run fairly well at around 150 - 200 FPS, however, when the FPS occasionally drops to around 100 - 119 (a lot of objects/textures on screen), the subsequent choppiness is a bit too bothersome. The main purpose of me getting a new GPU would be to combat those FPS drops. I'm not looking to necessarily increase the max FPS, instead I'm just after some more "stability".

So, the CPU bottleneck would definitely prohibit me from reaching the GPU's potential in certain scenarios, limiting the max FPS otherwise reachable, but what about just stabilizing the average FPS? To my knowledge a CPU bottleneck shouldn't significantly affect this, or?

Thanks in advance.

Instead of buying a newer GPU, have you tried using Gsync? Unless you're playing a competitive game, having your monitor refresh lock down your FPS will result in a very smooth experience. There is no need whatsoever to run at 200fps.

Since you're after stability, this will likely fix your problem.

 

[Zerk2012]

Ryzen 5 3600 and GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER build in General Tasks | Bottleneck Calculation | PC Builds

Bottleneck calculation for AMD Ryzen 5 3600 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER for General Tasks. Containing solutions how to resolve bottleneck.

pc-builds.com

That is complete garbage never ever use a site like that.

 

[Dynamism]

Instead of buying a newer GPU, have you tried using Gsync? Unless you're playing a competitive game, having your monitor refresh lock down your FPS will result in a very smooth experience. There is no need whatsoever to run at 200fps.

Since you're after stability, this will likely fix your problem.

Hello,

Thanks a lot for your answer! I'm using G-Sync, which is seemingly working as intended (indicator ON & my monitor's refresh rate is intertwined with my FPS). Without G-Sync sailing around the 100fps range is unbearable, with G-Sync its manageable. I play at a fairly competitive level, but I don't really notice the input lag concomitant of G-Sync.

 

[Dynamism]

Buy it and enjoy.

Hey,

Thanks for your messages in this thread. I think this'll be the advice I'm going to follow. I can always return the GPU (within 30 days in immaculate condition) if the difference would be minute due to some unforeseen reasons. Plan B is then to wait for the prices to come down even more and grab a 4070, perhaps a ti as well as a new CPU.

 

[Zerk2012]

Hey,

Thanks for your messages in this thread. I think this'll be the advice I'm going to follow. I can always return the GPU (within 30 days in immaculate condition) if the difference would be minute due to some unforeseen reasons. Plan B is then to wait for the prices to come down even more and grab a 4070 as well as a new CPU.

Some FPS drops in games are normal. When you go from not much to a lot on the screen.
I would really agree with above limit your FPS to around the number it falls to and try that, nothing to loose.

 

[Dynamism]

Some FPS drops in games are normal. When you go from not much to a lot on the screen.
I would really agree with above limit your FPS to around the number it falls to and try that, nothing to loose.

Yup, they definitely are. In MW2019 I kept the cap at around 160-170 to mitigate the fluctuations. This might be down to my extreme sensitivity to any kind of jitters and what not, but as long as everything is at least around the 140 fps range in the current titles I play, everything is well. I'm not sure about the fundamentals of things, but if the 4060ti can reduce the current "severity" of fps drops in intensive areas, I'll be fine and my quest is complete.

 

[Rogue Leader]

Yup, they definitely are. In MW2019 I kept the cap at around 160-170 to mitigate the fluctuations. This might be down to my extreme sensitivity to any kind of jitters and what not, but as long as everything is at least around the 140 fps range in the current titles I play, everything is well. I'm not sure about the fundamentals of things, but if the 4060ti can reduce the current "severity" of fps drops in intensive areas, I'll be fine and my quest is complete.

Even with the new 4060ti I would use Gsync. with a 240hz monitor you'll end up right stable at a high FPS.

That is complete garbage never ever use a site like that.

Agree that site is trash and measuring "bottleneck" at a percentage like that is a useless number.

 

[Dynamism]

Even with the new 4060ti I would use Gsync. with a 240hz monitor you'll end up right stable at a high FPS.



Agree that site is trash and measuring "bottleneck" at a percentage like that is a useless number.

I'll definitely do that. Additionally, thanks to you and @Zerk2012 on your comments regarding the pcpartpicker "bottleneck tester". I had my suspicions which seemed to be very valid indeed .

 

[John Chesterfield]

Ryzen 5 3600 and GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER build in General Tasks | Bottleneck Calculation | PC Builds

Bottleneck calculation for AMD Ryzen 5 3600 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER for General Tasks. Containing solutions how to resolve bottleneck.

pc-builds.com

You've pretty much killed your credibility to advise the OP with this one post, complete misleading rubbish. Please do not advise people if you have no idea what you are talking about, it's not your money they'd waste were they to follow your advice. Everything in your post that starts with "so here's the scoop" is also misleading rubbish. Seriously, quit posting garbage that may make others needlessly go out and spend money. Because you WILL be called out on it here.

OP, capping your framerate as you have done in some instances is a good way to avoid harsh drops in FPS, the drops are less dramatic which in turn makes things feel smoother. Do the upgrade and enjoy it as Zerk said, and ignore anyone who tells you it's not worth it. If it's a good price, even better as you can earn a bit back by selling the 2060. That's still quite a decent card on the second hand market.

 

[Dynamism]

You've pretty much killed your credibility to advise the OP with this one post, complete misleading rubbish. Please do not advise people if you have no idea what you are talking about, it's not your money they'd waste were they to follow your advice. Everything in your post that starts with "so here's the scoop" is also misleading rubbish. Seriously, quit posting garbage that may make others needlessly go out and spend money. Because you WILL be called out on it here.

OP, capping your framerate as you have done in some instances is a good way to avoid harsh drops in FPS, the drops are less dramatic which in turn makes things feel smoother. Do the upgrade and enjoy it as Zerk said, and ignore anyone who tells you it's not worth it. If it's a good price, even better as you can earn a bit back by selling the 2060. That's still quite a decent card on the second hand market.

Thank you for your reply . Yeah, completely agree. There's still some additional annoyance to the specific 100ish range, which is augmented by my extreme sensitivity to any kind of "hiccups". I'm able to get a new 4060ti (Asus Dual OC) for around 400€ ($430). I'll be fine with the 8GB variant now and in the future as well since I'll never play anything that necessarily demands VRAM. There definitely should not even be a 8GB variant though, but 550€ for the 16GB one is just ludicrous.

However, a more idealistic scenario would be to grab a 7700XT & a Ryzen 7 5800X. For now the 5800x sells at 200€ in here and the 7700XT at just a bit over 500€, offering a significant performance increase over the 4060ti. Yeah, the 7700XT wasn't necessarily made for gaming at 1080p, but I'll take the frames! The highly tempting and excellent 5800x3d is closer to 400€, so that's not an option for now. I bought an X570 board on release before any reviews were out and I'm not really planning to keep my MB long term. The VRM's are not an issue in my light use scenarios, but the overall quality is a bit shoddy if I'm being honest.

AMD's GPUs do worry me though. The 7700XT seems to offer superior value, but my experience with the RX 5700 was quite abysmal. The NAVI-cards had a disastrous habit of downclocking in scenarios where the GPU wasn't fully pushed to its limits which couldn't be averted. I bought the 5700 on release and I sold the card before a full year of ownership. Not to enforce the meme, but I never experienced a stable driver either.

So yeah, I'll grab the 4060ti (8GB) and check whether there are worthy improvements. Regarding the future of my 2060S, second hand 2060S's retail close to 200€ in here, so I'll likely be able to make back around 50%ish of my initial 399€ investment in 06/2020!

 

[ohio_buckeye]

So here's the scoop; CPU or GPU bottlenecking isn't a myth it's real & it don't lie these dayz. With that said a 2060 Super is already bottlenecking your 3600 by a huge majority of 19.1% of your general tasking throughputs including gaming wise which would sky rocket no matter what game it is. SO if you were to be getting a 4060 Ti 16Gb which I'm not saying you shouldn't cuz it's a CRAZY awesome GPU with a 4080 VRAM size amount would kind of fracture the 3600 in half alone doing general tasks. Best alternatives to this matter would be to simply same socket upgrade your CPU instead to say a 3900X as it's crazy good with the 2060 Super otherwise & I'll give you the numbers here for bottlenecking if you were to upgrade only to the 16Gb ED would bottleneck at 44.3% alone general tasking so yeah..............................This wasn't a "stupid question" if you were worried about it & ain't gonna judge cuz................I did it too................Went from a 9900KS to a 12900K because of it bottlenecking at 33% with a 4060Ti 16Gb ED over my previous 2080Ti OC ED. BUT.................If you were to actually commit to solving fully about this stuttering bottlenecking issue; consider getting a Ryzen 9 5950X as it's the best & highest same socket CPU to diminish bottlenecking to under 10% General tasking with the 4060Ti 16Gb ED.................................food for thought..............................But unlike some stupid NGR idiots who think they know better than someone of 18 years than by all means doubt my claims...................................Fracking Repub Nutcrckr

Even if there were a bottleneck that site shows 1080p. If the op were at higher resolution that would be less. But to give an idea, the same site shows an i7 8700 is a 27% bottleneck to that gpu. If I recall the 3600 and i7 8700 performance wise are pretty much the same.

But if a bottleneck did exist, increasing resolution would help to mitigate that by placing more load on the gpu.

 

[NanoSuit3]

With that said you're quite right...............I did recently have an 8700/2070 build before and ran without any bottleneck at 4K..........................But I totally took Rez out of the equation............................yes best solution now is just get the 4060 Ti and enjoy it at 4K upscaled then..........................