A Quick look at the DET 51.75 will this save nV?

Amdmb.com has a <A HREF="http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=257" target="_new">review of he DET 51.75</A>, it's interesting enough. Not really the performance increase most people expected. I would have liked to see benchmarks from Gunmetal2 (and of course HL2), but I think the noticeable (but not incredible) increase in PS 2.0 of 3Dmk03 is telling. How it will affect real-world is another question.

We shall see.

<A HREF="http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=257" target="_new">http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=257</A>


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With the new driver, I expect the 5900 either to closely par the 9600 Pro or barely beat it. I base this off of my comparison between the PS2.0 performance in 3DMARK

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I'd like to see an image comparison between teh Radeon and fx. How much you want to bet Nvidia reduced image quality for frames? Gabe is saying for people not to use the new 50's becuase in one scene, they don't render fog. This would be just one example. What else do they have planned? To override users control of putting AA and AF on? (same thing as the UT 2k3 thing with tri-linear filtering). To me, these drivers seem like they are packed full of cheats.....only time (and maby a good review) will tell though.

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If the "Cheaptimizer 50" Drivers are an orgy-fest of optimizations waiting to defile the IQ immensely on the FX cards then I am really pissed. With each passing day, I am more and more pissed with Nvidia. They have deceived millions of people into buying their inferior FX line taking advantage of the fact that there were only DX8 games to base benchmarks off of. THIS IS VERY SENILE OF THEM. They did this on PURPOSE! How could they?!?! How could they take advantage of their own loyal customers and then line them up in a concentration camp and shoot 'em! This FX line is plane immoral. Immoral I tell you! WHy would they desire to deceive their own customers who so innocently trust them as a reputabl brand, and shove out this CRAP at such ludicrously exorbitant prices meanwhile knowing that their PS2.0 performance is inferior. Nvidia had to know about this, they just had to! Needless to say, I am REAALY pissed at nvidia for their evil scheme!

Sorry for the rant.

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As each day goes by, I hug my 9600Pro just a little tighter.
And I worship my new 9700pro @ 9800pro speeds with the hacked omega drivers. :wink:

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*UFO uses his Ti4200 to wipe his arse, and then cries after the funeral*

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Hey UFO, don't get me wrong the GF4tis are still GREAT cards. Most weren't bought with the expectation of anything to do with DX9 games, and in the long run they seem like the VERY intelligent choice as they outperform even the FX5900U (which has PS1.4 support too). In the end most people with GF4tis in their rigs should be glad with their choice, and their decision not to upgrade too soon (see waiting 'til the actual games arrive/ship pays off, eh Eden? :wink: ).

I would never diparage a GF4ti (except in 2D quality), in gaming they do very well, can usually be found for prety cheap and really they are a GREAT entry level card for people whoe really need to ask us "I'm sorta a gamer... What card?" From there they can learn what to replace it with NEXT year. I still LOVE my R9600P (more and more with each new 'story') but for 50% more in price over the cheaper GF4ti(s) it's not worth it IMO fo people who just don't know what they want yet.

Anywhoo that's my little rant, I'm not defending nV, I'm really just defending GF4ti owners, cause they still pretty smart people; except GW :tongue: Going from an R9500P to GF4ti! :evil:


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i don't think they cheat in their new drivers.

they merely release new info on what the gfFX really is..

16bit floatingpoint support. dx8+ support. nvgl support. gl1.1 support (more is not in technically, but by no vendor, hehe:D). no aa/af support. no trillinear filtering support.

heck, that sounds like good old voodoo cards! :D

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Yeah, it's Nvidia's curse for hiring all those 3dfx engineers after they bought 'em out...

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