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Have you ever used a dual? You don't need 2x ram, but you do need "enough"
which for a person that will make most use of the system may mean more.

There is absolutely no point in saying 99%... Each user needs to be
evaluated singularly. Each has their own work habits, there own mix of apps.
Sure many will use the same suites, many will be one finger at a time
typists. But in that 99% there will be a lot of users (I reckon 20% or more)
that will benefit 'cos they are not single finger typists and would use more
than one app at a time if their systems could handle it smoothly enough to
make it worth while. This is not just now, but for the last 10 or more
years. My first dual was a dual P100! It was worth every cent in its day.

There are a lot of "power" users out there. There are a lot of smart people
doing jobs that they shouldn't & working below capacity & 6GHz won't fix
that always.

A 3GHz system is more than enough for many today. This is not the issue at
all. 3GHz work throughput just isn't enough for many - it is not necessarily
the CPU% used over 8hrs at work, it is often the lack of responsiveness when
3 things kick in at the same time. Duals flatten this completely.

A dual 3GHz system != 6GHz single by any means. A dual of n/2 is smoother
than a single @n and will be for a long time. They are not as fast, but that
is not the issue - if you need speed get Itanium.


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> "Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message
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>> In a word, yes, but read below.
>>
>> Here's a waffle that covers many of the issues:
>> <big snip>
>
> Bottom line is that for a given amount of money spent on a CPU, 99% of
> desktop users will see much better performance with a faster CPU (and more
> cache) than a slower multi-core CPU. One should also double the system
> memory if they have a dual core CPU, which factors into the price
> equation.
>
>

 

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"Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Have you ever used a dual? You don't need 2x ram, but you do need "enough"
> which for a person that will make most use of the system may mean more.
>
> There is absolutely no point in saying 99%... Each user needs to be
> evaluated singularly. Each has their own work habits, there own mix of
> apps. Sure many will use the same suites, many will be one finger at a
> time typists. But in that 99% there will be a lot of users (I reckon 20%
> or more) that will benefit 'cos they are not single finger typists and
> would use more than one app at a time if their systems could handle it
> smoothly enough to make it worth while. This is not just now, but for the
> last 10 or more years. My first dual was a dual P100! It was worth every
> cent in its day.
>
> There are a lot of "power" users out there. There are a lot of smart
> people doing jobs that they shouldn't & working below capacity & 6GHz
> won't fix that always.
>
> A 3GHz system is more than enough for many today. This is not the issue at
> all. 3GHz work throughput just isn't enough for many - it is not
> necessarily the CPU% used over 8hrs at work, it is often the lack of
> responsiveness when 3 things kick in at the same time. Duals flatten this
> completely.
>
> A dual 3GHz system != 6GHz single by any means. A dual of n/2 is smoother
> than a single @n and will be for a long time. They are not as fast, but
> that is not the issue - if you need speed get Itanium.
>
>
Why don't you quit this mumbo jumbo and start comparing apples to apples.
Take a fixed amount of money for CPU and memory (combined), and set up two
machines--one with a single processor, and one with a dual core. The single
processor will be much faster because you have a fixed amount of money to
spend (don't forget you will want more memory for the dual core, which needs
to be factored into the price).

Not too many of you geeks are ever going to make it as a financial analyst
when you grow up.

 

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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:19:50 -0600, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>
>Not too many of you geeks are ever going to make it as a financial analyst
>when you grow up.
>

LOL. This geek has a socket 754. it's cheap, runs fast, and I'm
looking forward to socket m2 or whatever it's called in a year or so.

Hope all the 939 gurus are rushing out to buy their dual channel, dual
video, dual cores 😉

 

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duh. currently you are looking at premium pricing for X2. AMD is certainly
right to chage a premium for this new technology.

In a years time X2 will *not* be common place - it will be the norm, and
highly competitive price wise, so will you apply the same formula then and
buy a single on some principle?

In ayears time, those people that have purchased there X2 4400's will have 1
years use out of them. This will equate to > 1 years worth of work
throughput which for an employee that may cost 50, 75, 100, or 200,000 per
annum - an extra few dollars now for a grunty system will *often* be well
worth while.

Please, don't try to lecture on simple things like ROI. Sorry - you didn't
'cos you didn't even consider it. Tch Tch. I do charge by the hour. I slice
and dice large databases, write large s/w packages which take hours to do a
complete image build. The process is highly intensive process wise & disc IO
is heavy to the point of having multiple RAID arrays. Now, I am not alone.
There are very many industry sectors that can make substantial use of such
technology now and at $US616 or so for a chip, that is peanuts.

You do not include enough factors in your consideration "A fixed amount of
money". Thats a horendously dumb way of spec'ing a system. If you want a
CHEAP system, get one. If you want an expensive system, then get an Intel.

If you want to understand better about the factors surrounding who may
benefit, how and why, then read my posts. Until then you are casting an
ill-informed opinion based on wilful ignorance.

May the All Blacks win tonight!



"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:d9gsrv$g9q$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> Have you ever used a dual? You don't need 2x ram, but you do need
>> "enough" which for a person that will make most use of the system may
>> mean more.
>>
>> There is absolutely no point in saying 99%... Each user needs to be
>> evaluated singularly. Each has their own work habits, there own mix of
>> apps. Sure many will use the same suites, many will be one finger at a
>> time typists. But in that 99% there will be a lot of users (I reckon 20%
>> or more) that will benefit 'cos they are not single finger typists and
>> would use more than one app at a time if their systems could handle it
>> smoothly enough to make it worth while. This is not just now, but for the
>> last 10 or more years. My first dual was a dual P100! It was worth every
>> cent in its day.
>>
>> There are a lot of "power" users out there. There are a lot of smart
>> people doing jobs that they shouldn't & working below capacity & 6GHz
>> won't fix that always.
>>
>> A 3GHz system is more than enough for many today. This is not the issue
>> at all. 3GHz work throughput just isn't enough for many - it is not
>> necessarily the CPU% used over 8hrs at work, it is often the lack of
>> responsiveness when 3 things kick in at the same time. Duals flatten this
>> completely.
>>
>> A dual 3GHz system != 6GHz single by any means. A dual of n/2 is smoother
>> than a single @n and will be for a long time. They are not as fast, but
>> that is not the issue - if you need speed get Itanium.
>>
>>
> Why don't you quit this mumbo jumbo and start comparing apples to apples.
> Take a fixed amount of money for CPU and memory (combined), and set up two
> machines--one with a single processor, and one with a dual core. The
> single processor will be much faster because you have a fixed amount of
> money to spend (don't forget you will want more memory for the dual core,
> which needs to be factored into the price).
>
> Not too many of you geeks are ever going to make it as a financial analyst
> when you grow up.
>

 

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"Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message
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> You do not include enough factors in your consideration "A fixed amount of
> money". Thats a horendously dumb way of spec'ing a system. If you want a
> CHEAP system, get one. If you want an expensive system, then get an Intel.
>
> If you want to understand better about the factors surrounding who may
> benefit, how and why, then read my posts. Until then you are casting an
> ill-informed opinion based on wilful ignorance.
>
> May the All Blacks win tonight!
>
If you want to spend $616 for a dual core CPU that runs at 2.2GHz with 512
GB L2 cache (each) , that is OK with me. But actually you will need to spend
about $800 because you will need more memory for the dual core processors.
If you don't believe me, ask anyone who uses a dual CPU PC with Windows.

So for about $800 you can get a AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 Processor (San Diego)
running at 2.6GHz with 1GB L2 cache. This will also run cooler (and
therefore quieter) than the dual core.

My point is simple. The vast majority of desktop users will see noticeably
better performance overall with the AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 (or even 53) over
the dual core AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+. Obviously there are exceptions, but
not as many exceptions as people would like to believe.

Even the $475 AMD Athlon 64 4000+ Processor (San Diego) will probably seem
faster than the dual core 4200+ most of the time.

Don't confuse the issue. I have nothing against spending money on a PC, but
I like to be able to figure out which option is the best bang for the money
(this is called financial analysis).

I also have nothing against multiple CPU's, especially in servers, since I
use 4-way and 8-way servers at work all the time.

 

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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:58:13 -0600, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>"Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message
>news:d9iu67$mo5$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> You do not include enough factors in your consideration "A fixed amount of
>> money". Thats a horendously dumb way of spec'ing a system. If you want a
>> CHEAP system, get one. If you want an expensive system, then get an Intel.
>>
>> If you want to understand better about the factors surrounding who may
>> benefit, how and why, then read my posts. Until then you are casting an
>> ill-informed opinion based on wilful ignorance.
>>
>> May the All Blacks win tonight!
>>
>If you want to spend $616 for a dual core CPU that runs at 2.2GHz with 512
>GB L2 cache (each) , that is OK with me. But actually you will need to spend
>about $800 because you will need more memory for the dual core processors.
>If you don't believe me, ask anyone who uses a dual CPU PC with Windows.
>
>So for about $800 you can get a AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 Processor (San Diego)
>running at 2.6GHz with 1GB L2 cache. This will also run cooler (and
>therefore quieter) than the dual core.
>
>My point is simple. The vast majority of desktop users will see noticeably
>better performance overall with the AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 (or even 53) over
>the dual core AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+. Obviously there are exceptions, but
>not as many exceptions as people would like to believe.
>
>Even the $475 AMD Athlon 64 4000+ Processor (San Diego) will probably seem
>faster than the dual core 4200+ most of the time.
>
>Don't confuse the issue. I have nothing against spending money on a PC, but
>I like to be able to figure out which option is the best bang for the money
>(this is called financial analysis).
>
>I also have nothing against multiple CPU's, especially in servers, since I
>use 4-way and 8-way servers at work all the time.

Hey, Mark,
I followed the thread with interest. There are very valid points on
both sides of the issue, but in general I agree with you.
Your arguments are analogous to the battles I've waged in Usenet for a
few years trying to talk the average user out of spending a lot of
money on RAID-0 setups. I still think they're abject folly, even for
enthusiasts, unless they use their computer for one of the few
purposes that actually benefit from RAID 0.

I mention this because I ultimately lost that fight, and I think
you're bound to lose this one, too. These issues in most cases end up
being decided at a hormonal level rather than a logical one. I'm
almost positive that when dual-cores get down to less than $250, I'm
going to "need" one, too.

Rhetorically yours,
Ron


Ron

 

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"milleron" <millerdot90@SPAMlessosu.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Hey, Mark,
> I followed the thread with interest. There are very valid points on
> both sides of the issue, but in general I agree with you.
> Your arguments are analogous to the battles I've waged in Usenet for a
> few years trying to talk the average user out of spending a lot of
> money on RAID-0 setups. I still think they're abject folly, even for
> enthusiasts, unless they use their computer for one of the few
> purposes that actually benefit from RAID 0.
>
> I mention this because I ultimately lost that fight, and I think
> you're bound to lose this one, too. These issues in most cases end up
> being decided at a hormonal level rather than a logical one. I'm
> almost positive that when dual-cores get down to less than $250, I'm
> going to "need" one, too.
>
> Rhetorically yours,
> Ron
>
I am not going to loose any argument. I offered advise to the person who
asked, and it is up to them to do whatever they want with that advise. I
have no ego in this whatsoever. It's their money and their PC, and this is
still a free country.

The worst thing anyone can do is make decisions on the basis of invalid
information, and I don't think everyone knows that most current desktop
applications will do better with a slightly faster single CPU, rather than 2
slightly slower CPU's.

By the time the dual cores 4200+ is down to $250, maybe there will be more
applications that can exploit dual cores. Buy that time, it might actually
require 2 CPU's to run Windows with all the anti-virus, firewall, and
anti-spam software.

 

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There's a slight difference in the analogy your draw.
RAID 0 will result in loss of data.
A dual core CPU will not damage anything.

One of the key points that people are not addressing is that CPU's will not
continue to increase in performance as they have done in the past. The
*great folly* at the moment is that CPU manufacturers are jumping on dual
core to continue this net effect.

It won't work 'cos a dual core or cpu has never been and never will be equal
to a single of 2x (or near) the performance.

For those of us that will benefit from dual core there is no folly - just
bees knees systems. The next challenge is for programmers and program
langage designers to come up with methods that will enable easily more
effective dual core usage. Intel has been very very busy on the HT side of
this, both AMD and Intel need to put a lot of effort in to it as otherwise
the market will come to a shuddering slowdown in about 2 years.

"milleron" <millerdot90@SPAMlessosu.edu> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:58:13 -0600, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message
>>news:d9iu67$mo5$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>> You do not include enough factors in your consideration "A fixed amount
>>> of
>>> money". Thats a horendously dumb way of spec'ing a system. If you want a
>>> CHEAP system, get one. If you want an expensive system, then get an
>>> Intel.
>>>
>>> If you want to understand better about the factors surrounding who may
>>> benefit, how and why, then read my posts. Until then you are casting an
>>> ill-informed opinion based on wilful ignorance.
>>>
>>> May the All Blacks win tonight!
>>>
>>If you want to spend $616 for a dual core CPU that runs at 2.2GHz with 512
>>GB L2 cache (each) , that is OK with me. But actually you will need to
>>spend
>>about $800 because you will need more memory for the dual core processors.
>>If you don't believe me, ask anyone who uses a dual CPU PC with Windows.
>>
>>So for about $800 you can get a AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 Processor (San Diego)
>>running at 2.6GHz with 1GB L2 cache. This will also run cooler (and
>>therefore quieter) than the dual core.
>>
>>My point is simple. The vast majority of desktop users will see noticeably
>>better performance overall with the AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 (or even 53) over
>>the dual core AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+. Obviously there are exceptions, but
>>not as many exceptions as people would like to believe.
>>
>>Even the $475 AMD Athlon 64 4000+ Processor (San Diego) will probably seem
>>faster than the dual core 4200+ most of the time.
>>
>>Don't confuse the issue. I have nothing against spending money on a PC,
>>but
>>I like to be able to figure out which option is the best bang for the
>>money
>>(this is called financial analysis).
>>
>>I also have nothing against multiple CPU's, especially in servers, since I
>>use 4-way and 8-way servers at work all the time.
>
> Hey, Mark,
> I followed the thread with interest. There are very valid points on
> both sides of the issue, but in general I agree with you.
> Your arguments are analogous to the battles I've waged in Usenet for a
> few years trying to talk the average user out of spending a lot of
> money on RAID-0 setups. I still think they're abject folly, even for
> enthusiasts, unless they use their computer for one of the few
> purposes that actually benefit from RAID 0.
>
> I mention this because I ultimately lost that fight, and I think
> you're bound to lose this one, too. These issues in most cases end up
> being decided at a hormonal level rather than a logical one. I'm
> almost positive that when dual-cores get down to less than $250, I'm
> going to "need" one, too.
>
> Rhetorically yours,
> Ron
>
>
> Ron

 

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> There's a slight difference in the analogy your draw.
> RAID 0 will result in loss of data.
> A dual core CPU will not damage anything.
>

For some of us, it is not that simple. A dual core machine will draw more
power and disapate more heat, and will require a noiser system to keep the
processor cool. Some people don't care about these things, but many people,
including myself, do care.
http://www.silentpcreview.com

 

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Hey, I'm in the same boat. Around here the noisiest things are birds
chirping and the sound of the wind. Most peoples definition of quiet are
noisy here.

I haven't finished my shopping list for the new system yet, but X2, Asus
A8N-E, replace the northbridge fan, XP120 heatsink with a very quiet fan,
Cool n Quiet, fanless graphics (if there is such a thing for PCI-e), fanless
high efficiency PSU, but I am stuck deciding on the case as I want 12cm fans
front and rear that can be throttled right back - something like a Lian-Li
6070 but a little bigger, quiet mountings for the HDD's. Well you get the
idea / know whats involved.

Any recommendations on a case?

"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:d9kmpr$car$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> There's a slight difference in the analogy your draw.
>> RAID 0 will result in loss of data.
>> A dual core CPU will not damage anything.
>>
>
> For some of us, it is not that simple. A dual core machine will draw more
> power and disapate more heat, and will require a noiser system to keep the
> processor cool. Some people don't care about these things, but many
> people, including myself, do care.
> http://www.silentpcreview.com
>

 

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"Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message news:d9l0gs$hr$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> Hey, I'm in the same boat. Around here the noisiest things are birds
> chirping and the sound of the wind. Most peoples definition of quiet are
> noisy here.
>
> I haven't finished my shopping list for the new system yet, but X2, Asus
> A8N-E, replace the northbridge fan, XP120 heatsink with a very quiet fan,
> Cool n Quiet, fanless graphics (if there is such a thing for PCI-e),
> fanless high efficiency PSU, but I am stuck deciding on the case as I want
> 12cm fans front and rear that can be throttled right back - something like
> a Lian-Li 6070 but a little bigger, quiet mountings for the HDD's. Well
> you get the idea / know whats involved.
>
> Any recommendations on a case?
>
Here is my system:

Antec 3700-BQE w/Nexus 120 @12V, Seasonic S12-380, Asus A8N-E w/ ZM-NB47J
chip cooler, AMD64 3500+ .90 w/XP-120 & Nexus 120 @12V, 1GB (2 x 512)
Corsair 3200C2PT, 2 x WD 160 GB SATA, Plextor PX-716A, Leadtek 6600GT
w/Zalman VF700 AlCu @5V, Audigy2 ZS, AcoustiPack Std.

I sold the stock Antec 3700-BQE PSU on ebay for about $25 and bought the
much quieter Seasonic S12.

Here is my drive mounting system:
http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?t=10450

Many people on Slent PC Review forums are getting the brand new Antec P180
case.

 

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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:40:13 +1200, "Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote:

>Hey, I'm in the same boat. Around here the noisiest things are birds
>chirping and the sound of the wind. Most peoples definition of quiet are
>noisy here.
>
>I haven't finished my shopping list for the new system yet, but X2, Asus
>A8N-E, replace the northbridge fan, XP120 heatsink with a very quiet fan,
>Cool n Quiet, fanless graphics (if there is such a thing for PCI-e), fanless
>high efficiency PSU, but I am stuck deciding on the case as I want 12cm fans
>front and rear that can be throttled right back - something like a Lian-Li
>6070 but a little bigger, quiet mountings for the HDD's. Well you get the
>idea / know whats involved.
>
>Any recommendations on a case?

Absolutely -- I just finished building my new system today. I used a
just-released Antec P180. It uses only 120mm fans, and the thing is
whisper quiet to my ear. It confines all the heat from the HDs and
the PSU in a lower compartment thermally isolated from the motherboard
compartment.
And there IS a fanless graphic card if you don't want SLI. I
installed a Giga-byte Radeon X800XL ($283 @ newegg) that comes with a
heat-pipe cooler and no fan. It works marvelously well. My system
has but one fan aside from the case fans, and that's the 120mm one on
the XP120. My exhaust temps are just 2°C warmer than the intake. On
Asus Probe and nVidia Monitor, the CPU runs 25-30°C
>
>"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> "Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:d9kmpr$car$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>> There's a slight difference in the analogy your draw.
>>> RAID 0 will result in loss of data.
>>> A dual core CPU will not damage anything.
>>>
>>
>> For some of us, it is not that simple. A dual core machine will draw more
>> power and disapate more heat, and will require a noiser system to keep the
>> processor cool. Some people don't care about these things, but many
>> people, including myself, do care.
>> http://www.silentpcreview.com
>>
>

Ron

 

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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:36:33 -0600, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>"Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message news:d9l0gs$hr$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> Hey, I'm in the same boat. Around here the noisiest things are birds
>> chirping and the sound of the wind. Most peoples definition of quiet are
>> noisy here.
>>
>> I haven't finished my shopping list for the new system yet, but X2, Asus
>> A8N-E, replace the northbridge fan, XP120 heatsink with a very quiet fan,
>> Cool n Quiet, fanless graphics (if there is such a thing for PCI-e),
>> fanless high efficiency PSU, but I am stuck deciding on the case as I want
>> 12cm fans front and rear that can be throttled right back - something like
>> a Lian-Li 6070 but a little bigger, quiet mountings for the HDD's. Well
>> you get the idea / know whats involved.
>>
>> Any recommendations on a case?
>>
>Here is my system:
>
>Antec 3700-BQE w/Nexus 120 @12V, Seasonic S12-380, Asus A8N-E w/ ZM-NB47J
>chip cooler, AMD64 3500+ .90 w/XP-120 & Nexus 120 @12V, 1GB (2 x 512)
>Corsair 3200C2PT, 2 x WD 160 GB SATA, Plextor PX-716A, Leadtek 6600GT
>w/Zalman VF700 AlCu @5V, Audigy2 ZS, AcoustiPack Std.
>
>I sold the stock Antec 3700-BQE PSU on ebay for about $25 and bought the
>much quieter Seasonic S12.
>
>Here is my drive mounting system:
>http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?t=10450
>
>Many people on Slent PC Review forums are getting the brand new Antec P180
>case.

That mounting system is pretty slick, but the thick silicon-rubber
grommets and special screws that come with the P180 will do the job
just as well with no effort.
I can't recommend the P180 highly enough. Antec seems to have thought
of everything but using all-aluminum construction. The front is
plastic, the front door and top are aluminum and the side panels are a
layer of plastic sandwiched between two layers of aluminum. The inner
construction of the case, though is 0,8mm steel, so it weighs about 5
Kg more than it needs to. However, that's the ONLY con among dozens
of pros.
Ron

 

[mercury]

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

Mark, Ron.
Thanks for the comments.

Now another wait for the case to come in stock...

Lets hope there is a price drop in the mean time, but I doubt it.

Thanks again.


"milleron" <millerdot90@SPAMlessosu.edu> wrote in message
news:leksb11dsvvtc5qk1jq53c6blb4j07u605@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:40:13 +1200, "Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey, I'm in the same boat. Around here the noisiest things are birds
>>chirping and the sound of the wind. Most peoples definition of quiet are
>>noisy here.
>>
>>I haven't finished my shopping list for the new system yet, but X2, Asus
>>A8N-E, replace the northbridge fan, XP120 heatsink with a very quiet fan,
>>Cool n Quiet, fanless graphics (if there is such a thing for PCI-e),
>>fanless
>>high efficiency PSU, but I am stuck deciding on the case as I want 12cm
>>fans
>>front and rear that can be throttled right back - something like a Lian-Li
>>6070 but a little bigger, quiet mountings for the HDD's. Well you get the
>>idea / know whats involved.
>>
>>Any recommendations on a case?
>
> Absolutely -- I just finished building my new system today. I used a
> just-released Antec P180. It uses only 120mm fans, and the thing is
> whisper quiet to my ear. It confines all the heat from the HDs and
> the PSU in a lower compartment thermally isolated from the motherboard
> compartment.
> And there IS a fanless graphic card if you don't want SLI. I
> installed a Giga-byte Radeon X800XL ($283 @ newegg) that comes with a
> heat-pipe cooler and no fan. It works marvelously well. My system
> has but one fan aside from the case fans, and that's the 120mm one on
> the XP120. My exhaust temps are just 2°C warmer than the intake. On
> Asus Probe and nVidia Monitor, the CPU runs 25-30°C
>>
>>"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>news:RtydnakYUZ4aciDfRVn-tA@comcast.com...
>>> "Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d9kmpr$car$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>> There's a slight difference in the analogy your draw.
>>>> RAID 0 will result in loss of data.
>>>> A dual core CPU will not damage anything.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For some of us, it is not that simple. A dual core machine will draw
>>> more
>>> power and disapate more heat, and will require a noiser system to keep
>>> the
>>> processor cool. Some people don't care about these things, but many
>>> people, including myself, do care.
>>> http://www.silentpcreview.com
>>>
>>
>
> Ron

 

[milleron]

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (More info?)

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:25:31 +1200, "Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote:

>Mark, Ron.
>Thanks for the comments.
>
>Now another wait for the case to come in stock...

Look at shopBLT.com. Mine was $128 -- less expensive than the P160 at
Newegg. I had to wait about ten days for them to get P180s in stock,
but they received about 65 of them about ten days ago. They may have
some left, and the price is sure right.
>
>Lets hope there is a price drop in the mean time, but I doubt it.
>
>Thanks again.
>
>
>"milleron" <millerdot90@SPAMlessosu.edu> wrote in message
>news:leksb11dsvvtc5qk1jq53c6blb4j07u605@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:40:13 +1200, "Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey, I'm in the same boat. Around here the noisiest things are birds
>>>chirping and the sound of the wind. Most peoples definition of quiet are
>>>noisy here.
>>>
>>>I haven't finished my shopping list for the new system yet, but X2, Asus
>>>A8N-E, replace the northbridge fan, XP120 heatsink with a very quiet fan,
>>>Cool n Quiet, fanless graphics (if there is such a thing for PCI-e),
>>>fanless
>>>high efficiency PSU, but I am stuck deciding on the case as I want 12cm
>>>fans
>>>front and rear that can be throttled right back - something like a Lian-Li
>>>6070 but a little bigger, quiet mountings for the HDD's. Well you get the
>>>idea / know whats involved.
>>>
>>>Any recommendations on a case?
>>
>> Absolutely -- I just finished building my new system today. I used a
>> just-released Antec P180. It uses only 120mm fans, and the thing is
>> whisper quiet to my ear. It confines all the heat from the HDs and
>> the PSU in a lower compartment thermally isolated from the motherboard
>> compartment.
>> And there IS a fanless graphic card if you don't want SLI. I
>> installed a Giga-byte Radeon X800XL ($283 @ newegg) that comes with a
>> heat-pipe cooler and no fan. It works marvelously well. My system
>> has but one fan aside from the case fans, and that's the 120mm one on
>> the XP120. My exhaust temps are just 2°C warmer than the intake. On
>> Asus Probe and nVidia Monitor, the CPU runs 25-30°C
>>>
>>>"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>news:RtydnakYUZ4aciDfRVn-tA@comcast.com...
>>>> "Mercury" <me@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:d9kmpr$car$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>> There's a slight difference in the analogy your draw.
>>>>> RAID 0 will result in loss of data.
>>>>> A dual core CPU will not damage anything.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For some of us, it is not that simple. A dual core machine will draw
>>>> more
>>>> power and disapate more heat, and will require a noiser system to keep
>>>> the
>>>> processor cool. Some people don't care about these things, but many
>>>> people, including myself, do care.
>>>> http://www.silentpcreview.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> Ron
>

Ron