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Hi gamers :)

In alt.comp.freeware I've asked to let include also games among the freeware
eligible for the nominations we'll have in October.

Susan Buger answered to me:

<q>
ACF.games was created by ACF participants. *When* it was created there
was a consensus in ACF that games should no longer be discussed in this
group - that was some years back.

ACF.games participants have created one list of best games. They may be
interested in creating another - perhaps as a joint project with ACF.

IMO we should explore other possibilities in a joint discussion with
ACF.games participants *before* discussing the addition of games to the
Pricelessware List.
</q>

What do you think? Would you like to buid again yourself a list of the best
games? Or what about joining this job with the nominations/votes we'll have
in a.c.f?

Whichever solution is good for me, I think only that it would be fine to
have also the games in the Pricelessware List.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.
--
Maria Luisa C - 22/08/2004 22.50.47
 
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_MLC_, domenica 22/ago/2004:

> Susan Buger answered to me:

Sorry, I meant Susan Bugher :)
--
Maria Luisa C - 22/08/2004 23.17.36
 
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In article <1rwzqxt9kdu3b.dlg@ID-187316.user.uni-berlin.de>,
MLC <maluc52@yahoo.it> wrote:

> Hi gamers :)
>
> In alt.comp.freeware I've asked to let include also games among the freeware
> eligible for the nominations we'll have in October.
>
> Susan Buger answered to me:
>
> <q>
> ACF.games was created by ACF participants. *When* it was created there
> was a consensus in ACF that games should no longer be discussed in this
> group - that was some years back.
>
> ACF.games participants have created one list of best games. They may be
> interested in creating another - perhaps as a joint project with ACF.
>
> IMO we should explore other possibilities in a joint discussion with
> ACF.games participants *before* discussing the addition of games to the
> Pricelessware List.
> </q>
>
> What do you think? Would you like to buid again yourself a list of the best
> games? Or what about joining this job with the nominations/votes we'll have
> in a.c.f?
>
> Whichever solution is good for me, I think only that it would be fine to
> have also the games in the Pricelessware List.
>
> Thanks in advance for your feedback.

Adding freeware games to the Pricelessware list...

I don't feel that it is necessary primarily because it is a duplicaton
of efforts which have already been done by others. My favorite games
website which is ...
http://www.caiman.us/
which has "1279 unique" games has a link called "Top Ranking" which is
an excellent indication of how good a game is. The webmaster: Rudy has
done it for us! Since there are literally thousands of freeware games,
it is best left as a category by itself and not included in the
Pricelessware list. If someone wanted to take it upon him/herself and
create such a list for ACFGames, I would see no problems with that, but
I would still call it a duplication of efforts. Screenshots are also a
very good indication of how well somone will like a game. In a non
binaries group such as this one (ACFG) it is not likely to see screen
shots. And again, Rudy has done that for us also at...
http://www.caiman.us/
The programs on the Pricelessware list are broken down into categories.
Likewise the games would need to be broken down into categories also.
And again Rudy comes through again; with flying colors with over 40
categories of games at...
http://www.caiman.us/
There are lots of excellent freeware games available on internet but so
far there are no 'official' Pricelessware games.

Mark S.
 
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Mark S. wrote:

> In article <1rwzqxt9kdu3b.dlg@ID-187316.user.uni-berlin.de>,
> MLC <maluc52@yahoo.it> wrote:
>
>>Hi gamers :)

>>What do you think? Would you like to buid again yourself a list of the best
>>games? Or what about joining this job with the nominations/votes we'll have
>>in a.c.f?

> I don't feel that it is necessary primarily because it is a duplicaton
> of efforts which have already been done by others.

Hi Mark,

IMO a "best games list" would be a useful addtion to the Pricelessware
site(s). Most often questions/discussion that is *only* in ACF is about
"classic" games - Bridge, Poker, Scrabble clones etc. (There's been a
fair amount of cross-posting lately.)

If there is any interest here in a joint "best games list" project I'd
like to see ACF.games take the lead on it.

ACF.games has done a games list in the past. URLs (google: newsgroup is
alt.comp.freeware.games, subject contains ACFGR):

http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&as_ugroup=alt.comp.freeware.games&as_usubject=ACFGR&lr=&num=100&hl=en

There's a 2002 list here (I don't know if there is a more recent one.):

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze25yrg/ACFGR/ACFGR.html

> The programs on the Pricelessware list are broken down into categories.
> Likewise the games would need to be broken down into categories also.

It seems to me that a single category list - just classic games - might
make more sense than a more ambitious project. . .

Susan
--
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alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org
 
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Susan Bugher wrote:
> Mark S. wrote:
>>> What do you think? Would you like to buid again yourself a list of
>>> the best games? Or what about joining this job with the nominations/
>>> votes we'll have
>>> in a.c.f?
>>
>> I don't feel that it is necessary primarily because it is a duplicaton
>> of efforts which have already been done by others.
>
> IMO a "best games list" would be a useful addtion to the Pricelessware
> site(s). Most often questions/discussion that is *only* in ACF is about
> "classic" games - Bridge, Poker, Scrabble clones etc. (There's been a
> fair amount of cross-posting lately.)
>
> If there is any interest here in a joint "best games list" project I'd
> like to see ACF.games take the lead on it.
>
> ACF.games has done a games list in the past.
> There's a 2002 list here (I don't know if there is a more recent one.):
> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze25yrg/ACFGR/ACFGR.html
>
> > The programs on the Pricelessware list are broken down into categories.
> > Likewise the games would need to be broken down into categories also.
>
> It seems to me that a single category list - just classic games - might
> make more sense than a more ambitious project. . .
>
> Susan


For once I disagree with you Susan. As one of the all to few regulars in
acfg I do not see the need to include games in the Pricelessware List.

Genna Reeny once said:
> Games being such a revolving-door category, a Pricelessware-type list
> is obsolete very fast.

But is a new champion steps forward and does the job, I will sure vote! 🙂

The site mentioned above have not been updated since 2002 and is not
maintained by anyone anymore. (thanks to 'Aguydude' who made it in the
first place).

When someone ask for a spesific game or a good game in a genre, they
always get good advice from the regulars here. And as mentioned by
others, there are several good freeware games sites with the games we
normally recommend (hi, Rudy ;-) ).

On another note: I would have liked it a lot if some of the regular
"flooders" 🙂-)) in acf remembered to post in acfg in addition when they
had links to games....

kind regards from

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Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
> Susan Bugher wrote:

> For once I disagree with you Susan. As one of the all to few regulars in
> acfg I do not see the need to include games in the Pricelessware List.

*Maria* proposed games be included in the Pricelessware List - another
person thought that was a good idea. That would require a change in the
PL rules (it's a rule that I forgot to write down - but still a rule
until it's changed by the group).

I suggested a visit to ACF.games *before* she proposed a change in the
PL rules - to see if people here want to create a *separate* best games
list. IMO there *would* be opposition to including them in the PL - why
not look for an *alternate* solution before opening that can of worms.

> The site mentioned above have not been updated since 2002 and is not
> maintained by anyone anymore. (thanks to 'Aguydude' who made it in the
> first place).

I think it *would* be nice to have a "Best Games List" hosted on the
Pricelessware site(s) - as an ACFG project or joint project with ACF.
More people would see it, more people might turn up in ACFG. . .

> When someone ask for a spesific game or a good game in a genre, they
> always get good advice from the regulars here. And as mentioned by
> others, there are several good freeware games sites with the games we
> normally recommend (hi, Rudy ;-) ).

Yah but - they do keep asking in ACF instead of coming over here. . .

> On another note: I would have liked it a lot if some of the regular
> "flooders" 🙂-)) in acf remembered to post in acfg in addition when they
> had links to games....

Yup - better yet - remembered to post games *only* in ACFG. :)

to sum up my *personal* position:

I favor a best games list - one that is *not* part of the PL
I favor hosting it on the PL sites
I favor ACFG taking the lead in this

Susan
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Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org
 
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Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote in
news:10ikqh53p0eap4c@corp.supernews.com:

> Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
>> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> For once I disagree with you Susan. As one of the all to few
>> regulars in acfg I do not see the need to include games in the
>> Pricelessware List.
>
> *Maria* proposed games be included in the Pricelessware List -
> another person thought that was a good idea. That would require
> a change in the PL rules (it's a rule that I forgot to write
> down - but still a rule until it's changed by the group).
>
> I suggested a visit to ACF.games *before* she proposed a change
> in the PL rules - to see if people here want to create a
> *separate* best games list. IMO there *would* be opposition to
> including them in the PL - why not look for an *alternate*
> solution before opening that can of worms.
>
>> The site mentioned above have not been updated since 2002 and
>> is not maintained by anyone anymore. (thanks to 'Aguydude' who
>> made it in the first place).
>
> I think it *would* be nice to have a "Best Games List" hosted on
> the Pricelessware site(s) - as an ACFG project or joint project
> with ACF. More people would see it, more people might turn up in
> ACFG. . .
>
>> When someone ask for a spesific game or a good game in a genre,
>> they always get good advice from the regulars here. And as
>> mentioned by others, there are several good freeware games
>> sites with the games we normally recommend (hi, Rudy ;-) ).
>
> Yah but - they do keep asking in ACF instead of coming over
> here. . .

Does anyone point them in this direction?

There are many questions there and MANY OTHER good groups people
could be pointed to.

>> On another note: I would have liked it a lot if some of the
>> regular "flooders" 🙂-)) in acf remembered to post in acfg in
>> addition when they had links to games....
>
> Yup - better yet - remembered to post games *only* in ACFG. :)
>
> to sum up my *personal* position:
>
> I favor a best games list - one that is *not* part of the PL
> I favor hosting it on the PL sites
> I favor ACFG taking the lead in this
>
> Susan

I agree with Mark S. and Vegard Krog Petersen.

Yes, ACFG should take the lead *if* the ACFG posters wish this.
 
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In article <10ikqh53p0eap4c@corp.supernews.com>,
Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote:
>
> I think it *would* be nice to have a "Best Games List" hosted on the
> Pricelessware site(s) - as an ACFG project or joint project with ACF.
> More people would see it, more people might turn up in ACFG. . .
>
A point that I had not thought of... more exposure to ACFG. It has been
a 'bit' dead here all summer long!


> to sum up my *personal* position:
>
> I favor a best games list - one that is *not* part of the PL
> I favor hosting it on the PL sites
> I favor ACFG taking the lead in this
>
> Susan

As busy as you are Susan, are you volunteering?

This discussion made me to think about 'more exposure'...
Many people have absolutely no idea what a newsgroup is. Is it likely
that on the website for whatever group (ACF or ACFG) a link to search
google groups for the most recent posting to the group speciofied
ACF/ACFG? I hope you understand my question, if not I will try to
rephrase it.

Mark S.
 
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"Mark S." <mark@caiman.us> wrote in
news:mark-782E86.18412923082004@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com:

> In article <10ikqh53p0eap4c@corp.supernews.com>,
> Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote:
>>
>> I think it *would* be nice to have a "Best Games List" hosted
>> on the Pricelessware site(s) - as an ACFG project or joint
>> project with ACF. More people would see it, more people might
>> turn up in ACFG. . .
>>
> A point that I had not thought of... more exposure to ACFG. It
> has been a 'bit' dead here all summer long!
>
>
>> to sum up my *personal* position:
>>
>> I favor a best games list - one that is *not* part of the PL
>> I favor hosting it on the PL sites
>> I favor ACFG taking the lead in this
>>
>> Susan
>
> As busy as you are Susan, are you volunteering?
>
> This discussion made me to think about 'more exposure'...
> Many people have absolutely no idea what a newsgroup is. Is it
> likely that on the website for whatever group (ACF or ACFG) a
> link to search google groups for the most recent posting to the
> group speciofied ACF/ACFG? I hope you understand my question,
> if not I will try to rephrase it.
>
> Mark S.

How can groups grow without more activity and others pointing
specific groups out to others?

How many people have been pointed to this group? Word of 'mouth'..
so to speak. Exposure.

ACF seems so *self* contained that they do not send others to IE, OE,
spyware, virus, mp3 groups, bogs, forums. They are a advice group
more than a freeware group, as I have seen.

Just my opinion.

Para bien
 
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Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote in
<news:10ikqh53p0eap4c@corp.supernews.com>:

>> On another note: I would have liked it a lot if some of the
>> regular "flooders" 🙂-)) in acf remembered to post in acfg in
>> addition when they had links to games....
>
> Yup - better yet - remembered to post games *only* in ACFG. :)

I've been posting games only here, but maybe it would be better to
crosspost to a.c.f and set followup-to here.

--
»Q«
 
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"Åntony" <Åntony@dodgeit.com> wrote in
<news:2ovqitFf8453U1@uni-berlin.de>:

> How can groups grow without more activity and others pointing
> specific groups out to others?
>
> How many people have been pointed to this group? Word of
> 'mouth'.. so to speak. Exposure.

Traffic is high enough there that I overlook game requests. I'll try
to be better about pointing them here, but I guess we should all be on
the lookout.

> ACF seems so *self* contained that they do not send others to IE,
> OE, spyware, virus, mp3 groups, bogs, forums. They are a advice
> group more than a freeware group, as I have seen.
>
> Just my opinion.

I agree, and I'm guilty of treating it like a general helpdesk group at
times. Unfortunately, pointing people to more appropriate groups has
gotten many people flamed in the past; I've never really understood
why, but some people find that kind of response very offensive.

--
»Q«
 
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»Q« wrote:

> I've been posting games only here, but maybe it would be better to
> crosspost to a.c.f and set followup-to here.

Good suggestion - that would remind people that ACFG exists and is the
recommended place to discuss games.

Susan
--
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alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org
 
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Mark S. wrote:

> In article <10ikqh53p0eap4c@corp.supernews.com>,
> Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote:
>
>>I think it *would* be nice to have a "Best Games List" hosted on the
>>Pricelessware site(s) - as an ACFG project or joint project with ACF.
>>More people would see it, more people might turn up in ACFG. . .
>
> A point that I had not thought of... more exposure to ACFG. It has been
> a 'bit' dead here all summer long!
>
>>to sum up my *personal* position:
>>
>>I favor a best games list - one that is *not* part of the PL
>>I favor hosting it on the PL sites
>>I favor ACFG taking the lead in this

> As busy as you are Susan, are you volunteering?

NO!

I'd *like* someone else to volunteer. :)

I'll volunteer to create the games web page if that would help.

> This discussion made me to think about 'more exposure'...
> Many people have absolutely no idea what a newsgroup is. Is it likely
> that on the website for whatever group (ACF or ACFG) a link to search
> google groups for the most recent posting to the group speciofied
> ACF/ACFG? I hope you understand my question, if not I will try to
> rephrase it.

Sure - this link?

http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.comp.freeware.games

Susan
--
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_Susan Bugher_, martedì 24/ago/2004:

> to sum up my *personal* position:
>
> I favor a best games list - one that is *not* part of the PL
> I favor hosting it on the PL sites
> I favor ACFG taking the lead in this

This solution would be fine for me too.
Thanks Susan to have expressed it so well.
--
Maria Luisa C - 24/08/2004 9.49.25
 
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Susan Bugher wrote:
> Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
> For once I disagree with you Susan.
>> Susan Bugher wrote:
>> *Maria* proposed games be included in the Pricelessware List

*Sorry* [;-)], not my intention make you stand as the one who proposed
it - 🙂

> to see if people here want to create a *separate* best games list.
> I favor a best games list - one that is *not* part of the PL
> I favor hosting it on the PL sites
> I favor ACFG taking the lead in this
> Susan

As I said:
> But is a new champion steps forward and does the job

That's the problem today...no volunteers in the group yet...
I'm not volunteering (doesn't even have the time to update my sites
regulary). :-(

regards from vegard
 
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> Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
> When someone ask for a spesific game or a good game in a genre, they
> always get good advice from the regulars here. And as mentioned by
> others, there are several good freeware games sites with the games we
> normally recommend (hi, Rudy ;-) ).
>
>> Susan Bugher wrote:
>> Yah but - they do keep asking in ACF instead of coming over here. . .
>>
>>> Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
>>> On another note: I would have liked it a lot if some of the regular
>>> "flooders" 🙂-)) in acf remembered to post in acfg in addition when
>>> they had links to games....
>>>
>>>> Susan Bugher wrote:
>>>> Yup - better yet - remembered to post games *only* in ACFG. :)
>>>>
>>>>Q wrote:
>>>>> I've been posting games only here, but maybe it would be better to
>>>>> crosspost to a.c.f and set followup-to here.

I do it that way.
And after the "flooding" complaints I do it this way in Subject:
Name of game (game) short description : Tetris (game) - tetris clone

I hope non-gamers in acf accepts this way (crossposting, follow-up to
acfg and subject line)

regrads from vegard
 
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Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:

> As I said:
>
>> But is a new champion steps forward and does the job
>
> That's the problem today...no volunteers in the group yet...
> I'm not volunteering (doesn't even have the time to update my sites
> regulary). :-(

No volunteers is often the problem. 🙁

If ACFG thinks a "best games list" is a good idea maybe it could be just
a list of best "classic" games or "small" games or something along those
lines rather than a list of *all* types of games.

The ACFG games page could have links to the ACFG newgroup, recommended
Freeware sites (Hi Rudy) etc. etc.

Susan
--
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acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org
 
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Mark S. wrote:

> In article <10imhnpitd49ib0@corp.supernews.com>,
> Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote:
>
>>Sure - this link?
>>
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.comp.freeware.games
>
> Perfect Susan and one without the .games for the your website if one
> isn't there already, would be helpful to people not aquainted with
> newsgroups.

Hi Mark,

links to all 3 ACF newsgroups are shown here:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Links.php

There's more info for NG newbies on the site - needs some
re-organization to make it easier for visitors to find (that's on my
todo list).

An ACFG web page on the site would be a good ad for this NG - hint,
hint. . . 😉

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org
 
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"Mark S." wrote:

> In article <10imhnpitd49ib0@corp.supernews.com>,
> Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote:
>
> > Sure - this link?
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.comp.freeware.games
>
> Perfect Susan and one without the .games for the your website if one
> isn't there already, would be helpful to people not aquainted with
> newsgroups.
>
> Mark S.

I will put a banner for that link
http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.comp.freeware.games to the
main page of caiman.us too 🙂
It will be friday online. Let us hope that it will be helpful...

Rudy
 
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