Question About to upgrade after 4 Generations - Something to consider?

[durahl]

Greetings!

I'm planning on upgrading my current i9-9900KF & GTX 1080 Ti to an i9-13900KF & RTX 4090 FE one.
As one might guess I've been a bit out of the loop with this 4 Generation Skip when it comes to upgrading such Core Components hence this Post about avoiding any potential Pitfalls I may run into.

The targeted Components would be the following ones ( also in parts due to their aesthetics ):
GPU: nVidia RTX 4090 Founders Edition
CPU: Intel Core i9-13900KF
MB: NZXT N7 Z790
RAM: Corsair DDR5 64GB PC 6400 (4x16GB) VENGEANCE RGB

The most obvious Questions being about the PSU and the Power Requirement...

I do not plan on doing any Overclocking, but I assume anything below a 1'000W one will still not be going to cut it with a Setup also carrying over:
NVMe: 2x Samsung 980 PRO 1TB
SSD: 2x Samsung 870 EVO 2TB
AIO: 1x ASUS Ryujin 360 ( incl. 3x 120mm FANs )
FAN: 4x Corsair 120mm ( additional to the AIO ones )
CNT: 1x AquaComputer Aquaero 5
( at least this PSU Calculator thinks it'll at least require 860W which is above my current 850W PSUs Paygrade )

There's also the question regarding Motherboards requiring the previous Generation of CPUs for installing a BIOS to making it ready for the current Generation of CPUs...
I assume this was a 12th to 13th Gen transition issue that shouldn't be present anymore? 🤨

Thanks in advance!

 

[boju]

Motherboard bios revisions shouldn't be an issue with 7xx series boards.

Might want consider holding out for 14th gen, it's only few months away. 14th gen rumoured having more pcie 5 lanes, 20 as apposed to 16, meaning if were to venture into pcie 5 ssds in future that your graphics card slot bandwidth won't be cut in half.

 

[USAFRet]

The unanswered question...what will this system be used for?

 

[geofelt]

What is the make/model of your intended case?
What is the make/model of your current parts?
Perhaps some parts can be reused.

Some thoughts:

At this price point, it seems foolish to try to save $25 by buying a F suffix processor.
Having integrated graphics is a lifesaver during testing and also if you ever have a gpu issue.

Consider a single 2tb nvme ssd. There is no performance advantage to two 1 tb units

If your current 850w psu is of good quality, I would be inclined to try to reuse it.
But, modern graphics cards can have high power spikes that not all power supplies can handle.

No issue on 13th gen enabling bios; all Z790 based motherboards will have it.

The really interesting thing is how the new gen processors and motherboards operate.
Many motherboards will try to run the processors as strongly as possible, possibly exceeding the Intel specs.
Don't know about NZXT.
The 13900K is designed to run hot.
But, cooling does not have the impact on actual performance that you might imagine.
Here is a nice article that explains how a 13900K runs with less than top cooling:

Core i9-13900K Cooling Guide: Testing Intel's Flagship With Budget Air and Big AIOs

The Core i9-13900K can push even the most capable liquid coolers to their limits, but you don’t lose that much performance if you go with budget-priced air cooling.

www.tomshardware.com

And a video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFgswzTvyc


The question I have for you is:
What would you gain by using a 360 aio vs a top air cooler like the noctua NH-D15s in a good case?

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Greetings!

I'm planning on upgrading my current i9-9900KF & GTX 1080 Ti to an i9-13900KF & RTX 4090 FE one.
As one might guess I've been a bit out of the loop with this 4 Generation Skip when it comes to upgrading such Core Components hence this Post about avoiding any potential Pitfalls I may run into.

The targeted Components would be the following ones ( also in parts due to their aesthetics ):
GPU: nVidia RTX 4090 Founders Edition
CPU: Intel Core i9-13900KF
MB: NZXT N7 Z790
RAM: Corsair DDR5 64GB PC 6400 (4x16GB) VENGEANCE RGB

The most obvious Questions being about the PSU and the Power Requirement...

I do not plan on doing any Overclocking, but I assume anything below a 1'000W one will still not be going to cut it with a Setup also carrying over:
NVMe: 2x Samsung 980 PRO 1TB
SSD: 2x Samsung 870 EVO 2TB
AIO: 1x ASUS Ryujin 360 ( incl. 3x 120mm FANs )
FAN: 4x Corsair 120mm ( additional to the AIO ones )
CNT: 1x AquaComputer Aquaero 5
( at least this PSU Calculator thinks it'll at least require 860W which is above my current 850W PSUs Paygrade )

There's also the question regarding Motherboards requiring the previous Generation of CPUs for installing a BIOS to making it ready for the current Generation of CPUs...
I assume this was a 12th to 13th Gen transition issue that shouldn't be present anymore? 🤨

Thanks in advance!

Get a 7950x3D and a 7900XTX

 

[durahl]

Motherboard bios revisions shouldn't be an issue with 7xx series boards.

Might want consider holding out for 14th gen, it's only few months away. 14th gen rumoured having more pcie 5 lanes, 20 as apposed to 16, meaning if were to venture into pcie 5 ssds in future that your graphics card slot bandwidth won't be cut in half.

I'm already content with the speed of my two M.2 NVMe Drives running in a RAID0 so even just considering an upgrade to PCIe 5.0 ones isn't really a pressing matter to me - I mean... I'm not a 4K+ Content Editor 🤔

The unanswered question...what will this system be used for?

For the most part Competitive Browsing and Industrial Scale Text Editing ( aka. Gaming and CAD 😏 )

What is the make/model of your intended case?
What is the make/model of your current parts?
Perhaps some parts can be reused.

Some thoughts:

At this price point, it seems foolish to try to save $25 by buying a F suffix processor.
Having integrated graphics is a lifesaver during testing and also if you ever have a gpu issue.

Consider a single 2tb nvme ssd. There is no performance advantage to two 1 tb units

If your current 850w psu is of good quality, I would be inclined to try to reuse it.
But, modern graphics cards can have high power spikes that not all power supplies can handle.

No issue on 13th gen enabling bios; all Z790 based motherboards will have it.

The really interesting thing is how the new gen processors and motherboards operate.
Many motherboards will try to run the processors as strongly as possible, possibly exceeding the Intel specs.
Don't know about NZXT.
The 13900K is designed to run hot.
But, cooling does not have the impact on actual performance that you might imagine.
Here is a nice article that explains how a 13900K runs with less than top cooling:

Core i9-13900K Cooling Guide: Testing Intel's Flagship With Budget Air and Big AIOs

The Core i9-13900K can push even the most capable liquid coolers to their limits, but you don’t lose that much performance if you go with budget-priced air cooling.

www.tomshardware.com

And a video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFgswzTvyc


The question I have for you is:
What would you gain by using a 360 aio vs a top air cooler like the noctua NH-D15s in a good case?

The Case will be a Corsair 900D already housing the current Setup with much of its Innards getting carried over if possible, including the Storage Drives, Cooling Systems, FAN Controllers, Dust, Cobwebs, etc...

As for the NZXT Motherboard Question - They're supposedly made by ASRock.
Since I do not plan to do any Overclocking, I'm not expecting much of an issue.

Unless something goes terribly wrong in the compatibility Département then I'll only be replacing the GPU, CPU, RAM, and MB...

Aaand since ASUS repeatedly denied me a the 12VHPWR Cable for my listed PSU Model despite their claim of "Going All In" I'm left with no choice of getting a new one since I'm not in the mood of potentially ruining a close to € 1'800.- GPU just because of a wonky Power Adapter Cable - Besides it most likely not meeting the Power requirement to begin with.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

I'm already content with the speed of my two M.2 NVMe Drives running in a RAID0 so even just considering an upgrade to PCIe 5.0 ones isn't really a pressing matter to me - I mean... I'm not a 4K+ Content Editor 🤔

For the most part Competitive Browsing and Industrial Scale Text Editing ( aka. Gaming and CAD 😏 )

The Case will be a Corsair 900D already housing the current Setup with much of its Innards getting carried over if possible, including the Storage Drives, Cooling Systems, FAN Controllers, Dust, Cobwebs, etc...

As for the NZXT Motherboard Question - They're supposedly made by ASRock.
Since I do not plan to do any Overclocking, I'm not expecting much of an issue.

Unless something goes terribly wrong in the compatibility Département then I'll only be replacing the GPU, CPU, RAM, and MB...

Aaand since ASUS repeatedly denied me a the 12VHPWR Cable for my listed PSU Model despite their claim of "Going All In" I'm left with no choice of getting a new one since I'm not in the mood of potentially ruining a close to € 1'800.- GPU just because of a wonky Power Adapter Cable - Besides it most likely not meeting the Power requirement to begin with.

7900XTX utilizes good old 8 pin pci-express power connectors, no wonky power adapter cables to deal with