[SOLVED] Adequate build for gaming CoD? Suggested / necessary upgrades?

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Hi all,



I built a gaming PC last year, after lots of solid advice on here (thanks guys!)

I have attached a picture of my build components.

Stupidly , I haven't really used it.. and I have been playing CoD on my PS4. However, I'm thinking about switching to PC.

My questions :

  • Is this build adequate for CoD Warzone?
  • Should I upgrade / add anything else?
  • What performance can I expect?
Any other advice? Really really do appreciate all help, as I am a total tech noob.

Thanks in advance,
Tom
 
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Darkbreeze

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Honestly, it's kind of overkill, and besides which, those CPUs tend to have some thermal concerns that you probably won't encounter with the 3700x. If you get the 3900x or 3950x, then you'd better plan for a top shelf, twin finstack, flagship cooler like the Noctua NH-D15, Cryorig R1 Ultimate, Deepcool Assassin III, Thermalright Silver arrow ibe extreme or some form of 280mm or higher AIO liquid cooling, or a custom loop. They get hot and don't maintain their boost profiles very well without top shelf cooling.

The 3700x is very capable, and a lot more forgiving. The 3700x is also going to give you a LOT more performance than you were going to get with the Ryzen 7 1700.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1700-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/2970vs3485
 

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What resolution is your monitor/display?

That build looks more than capable enough for any game at 1080p, but if you're gaming at a higher resolution then you might need a higher tiered graphics card.

WHICH Ryzen 7 CPU model is that?
 

tommyarra

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Hi all,

I built a gaming PC last year, after lots of solid advice on here (thanks guys!)

I have attached a picture of my build components Here

Stupidly , I haven't really used it.. and I have been playing CoD on my PS4. However, I'm thinking about switching to PC.

My questions :

  • Is this build adequate for CoD Warzone?
  • Should I upgrade / add anything else?
  • What performance can I expect?
  • Suggested monitor to purchase to maximise my gaming experience with this build?
Any other advice? Really really do appreciate all help, as I am a total tech noob.

Thanks in advance,
Tom
 

tommyarra

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It's the Ryzen 7 1700 8 core I think (at work right now, can check when I'm home in the morning)

My monitor is only a 1080p monitor. But I'm also thinking about upgrading this... More concerned about achieving a high FPS than any better than 1080 res? Am I right in thinking this way? Any suggestions on a monitor?! Budget maybe £400 max
 

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Ok, so here's my advice.

Sell the Ryzen 7 1700 to somebody to recoup some of your money. It does not have very good performance anymore. Granted, it has 8 cores and 16 threads, but it has LOUSY single core performance, it's a three year old part already, and it's just not competitive or all that capable anymore. Actually, it really never was. It has single core performance that is about equal to an 8 year old i5-3570k.

I'd sell it. Certainly there should be some buyers out there. Before you sell it though, use it to update the BIOS on your motherboard to the latest one so that it supports the newer CPU models and then get a 3700x which brings you up to date with just about all of what's out there right now in terms of single core performance, nearly on par with the latest Intel CPUs, and still has the 8 cores with 16 threads. It's tremendously better than your 1700, as seen here:

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1700-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/2970vs3485

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($279.30 @ Amazon)
Total: $279.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-19 21:04 EDT-0400



Even getting a 3600x would be an improvement over your current CPU by a fair margin.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($217.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $217.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-19 21:05 EDT-0400


And that would basically bring the system up to speed and be a very capable gaming machine for 1080p. Obviously, there are some higher end graphics cards out there but you'd be looking at probably another 400-ish investment, at least, if you wanted to get ultra everything 1080p 144hz gaming, or high 1440p.

With the Nvidia Ampere cards looking like they might be right around the corner, any graphics card purchase considerations should be put on hold for the time being AND of course, that can be done at ANY time it is convenient. There is no imperative to do it right now.

You could actually get into an EVGA SC Ultra gaming RTX 2060, which would pretty well give you ultra everything at 1080p, for around 370 bucks. But your RX 580 should be very capable at 1080p as it stands and I'd recommend trying that out first before doing anything else graphics-wise so you can see for yourself where you feel you are at in terms of being happy or lacking with performance.
 
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Darkbreeze - thanks A LOT!

Really appreciate your advice and honest opinion. Sounds like I definitely need a CPU upgrade.

I'll go with that advice, in fact, I'll get the 3700x ordered right now.. and put the monitor upgrade on hold until I recoupe at least a few pound from the sale of my 1700.

Again, thanks a lot!
 

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One thing I would DEFINITELY suggest as well, is that you also get a good aftermarket cooler to go with that CPU. Regardless that you "hear" from a lot of people how the wraith coolers are "really good", they are not. They suck. Yes, they are better than the stock coolers from yesteryear, but that's not saying much and for me and a lot of other people around here, they leave VERY MUCH to be desired. They have poor harmonics with a really annoying hum, they ramp up and down, up and down, they don't offer enough performance to take full advantage of the Precision boost overdrive or XFR2 stock boost profiles fully and are just plain not good enough for any of the Ryzen 5 or 7 CPUs in my opinion.

What you get is up to you, but I'd suggest something like the Thermalright Macho Rev.C or Rev.B, or Thermalright True spirit direct 140, Noctua NH-U14S or of course the options for an All in one liquid cooler are there as well. If you do that, I'd opt for something in a good 280mm model.

Here is my list of preferred CPU coolers, truncated to show only the models I feel are suitable for this CPU.

Below is my list of preferred CPU AIR coolers, also known as Heatsink fans (HSF).

Do not look here for recommendations on water/liquid cooling solutions. There are none to be found.

A good air cooler works just as well for most applications. There are very few instances I can think of where an AIO will work better than a good air cooler, and even fewer where an AIO will outperform an air cooler if you are willing to buy the right air cooler and then level up by adding some even higher end fans to it.

Loops leak. Heatsinks don't. Pumps fail, FAR more often and usually with far worse consequences, than fans do.

And unlike a heatsink fan assembly, when your pump fails for 99% of AIO coolers, you will be replacing the whole thing, for another 100+ dollars, rather than just a 25 dollar investment for the failure of a fan. Especially since I've rarely seen dual fan coolers have both fans fail at the same time, but even if you factor in two fan failures that's still only about fifty bucks compared to the 100+ it will cost to replace an AIO with a failed pump. And you WILL have a failed pump on most AIO coolers within three years of purchase. Seeing one last longer than five years is possible, but it is not particularly common and we often, very often, see them fail at around the 3 year mark. Sometimes much sooner.

Pump quality and longevity is an area that needs GREAT improvement before AIO coolers will become a primary recommendation for me.

I see a lot of AIO coolers leak and damage hardware as well.

Certainly there are situations where an AIO is called for, or even preferred, but those are MOSTLY aesthetic considerations, because let's face it, a build with an AIO or custom loop generally "looks" a lot cleaner than one that has a big heatsink taking up half the real estate inside your case. When that is the case, I have recommendations for those as well, but I don't offer them unless somebody is specifically asking to go that route.[/B]

They are basically listed in order of preference, from top to bottom. To some degree that preference is based on known performance on similarly overclocked configurations, but not entirely. There are likely a couple of units that are placed closer to the top not because they offer purely better performance than another cooler which is below it, but potentially due to a variety of reasons.

One model might be placed higher than another with the same or similar performance, but has quieter or higher quality fans. It may have the same performance but a better warranty. Long term quality may be higher. It may be less expensive in some cases. Maybe it performs slightly worse, but has quieter fans and a better "fan pitch". Some fans with equal decibel levels do not "sound" like they are the same as the specific pitch heard from one fan might be less annoying than another.

In any case, these are not "tiered" and are not a 100% be all, end all ranking. They are simply MY preference when looking at coolers for a build or when making recommendations. Often, which HSF gets chosen depends on what is on this list and fits the budget or is priced right at the time due to a sale or rebate. Hopefully it will help you and you can rest assured that every cooler listed here is a model that to some degree or other is generally a quality unit which is a lot more likely to be worth the money spent on it than on many other models out there that might look to be a similarly worthwhile investment.

Certainly there are a great many other very good coolers out there, but these are models which are usually available to most anybody building a system or looking for a cooler, regardless of what part of the world they might live in. As always, professional reviews are usually an absolutely essential part of the process of finding a cooler so if you are looking at a model not listed here, I would highly recommend looking at at least two or three professional reviews first.

If you cannot find two reviews of any given cooler, it is likely either too new to have been reviewed yet or it sucked, and nobody wanted to buy one in order to review it plus the manufacturer refused to send samples out to the sites that perform reviews because they knew it would likely get bad publicity.

IMO, nobody out there is making better fans, overall, than Noctua, followed pretty closely by Thermalright. So if you intend to match case fans to the same brand on your HSF, those are pretty hard to beat. Of course, Corsair has it's Maglev fans, and those are pretty damn good too, but they tend to be more expensive than what are in my opinion better fans by these other two, so while they are good products they don't have the same noise characteristics and are probably better suited for configurations where sheer brute force is preferred over low noise that still gives good performance. Also, as with most fan models out there, don't look at the specifications for the non-RGB Maglev fan models and think that you'll be getting the same specs on any RGB versions, because you won't. Fans with RGB tend to sacrifice both maximum CFM and static pressure for the right to stuff the RGB electronics under the hood.


Noctua NH-D14 (Replace stock fans with NF-A14 industrialPPC 2000rpm)
Noctua NH-D15/D15 SE-AM4
Noctua NH-D14 (With original fans)
Thermalright Silver arrow IB-E Extreme
Phanteks PH-TC14PE (BK,BL, OR or RD)
Cryorig R1 Ultimate or Universal
Thermalright Legrand Macho RT
Thermalright Macho X2
Deepcool Assassin III
Thermalright Macho rev. C
Thermalright Macho rev.B
Thermalright ARO-M14G (Ryzen only)
Thermalright Macho direct
SilentiumPC Fortis 3 HE1425
Deepcool Assassin II
Be Quiet Dark rock Pro 4
Noctua NH-U14S
Thermalright true spirit 140 Direct



It may not be obvious, but is probably worth mentioning, that not all cooler models will fit all CPU sockets as aftermarket coolers generally require an adapter intended for use with that socket. Some coolers that fit an AMD platform might not fit a later AMD platform, or an Intel platform. Often these coolers come with adapters for multiple types of platforms but be sure to verify that a specific cooler WILL work with your platform before purchasing one and finding out later that it will not.
 

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Great, thank you. I'll definitely get one of the decent CPU coolers, that you have suggested, ordered too!

I'll see how we go with that, and look to upgrade my monitor and graphics card over the coming months / year. Thanks again
 

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Now I'm actually coming to order. I am thinking, do I splash an extra £100-150 and get the Ryzen 7 3900x or The Ryzen 9 3900x 🙈

Or is this overkill and pointless for my other components?
 

Darkbreeze

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Honestly, it's kind of overkill, and besides which, those CPUs tend to have some thermal concerns that you probably won't encounter with the 3700x. If you get the 3900x or 3950x, then you'd better plan for a top shelf, twin finstack, flagship cooler like the Noctua NH-D15, Cryorig R1 Ultimate, Deepcool Assassin III, Thermalright Silver arrow ibe extreme or some form of 280mm or higher AIO liquid cooling, or a custom loop. They get hot and don't maintain their boost profiles very well without top shelf cooling.

The 3700x is very capable, and a lot more forgiving. The 3700x is also going to give you a LOT more performance than you were going to get with the Ryzen 7 1700.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1700-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/2970vs3485
 

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Sold ! Thanks for persuading me to stick with the original plan, and saving me a few £££ while doing so.

Looking forward to getting it installed now and seeing the difference in gaming CoD - comparing it to my bog standard PS4
 

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I am stupid.

After ordering (of course), I decided to watch a review video on the Rock Pro 4 cooler... Its HUGE !

And I'm 99% sure it's not going to fit in my little case. Why am I such a donut?!
 

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So, that is going to be a problem. You willing to change cases? Because that case ONLY supports CPU coolers up to 90mm and there really are not any coolers less than 90mm that are both reasonable in price AND have good enough performance for the 3700x. Maybe an AIO but even then it's awfully cramped.

As much as you might like that case, I really think you're going to to want to expand. Could always keep that case and build an HTPC in it using your Ryzen 7 1700, or find a buyer for it too. I'm sure it's not what you wanted to hear, but this is always a problem with trying to use SFF and mini ITX cases for high end gaming systems.
 

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Oh feck.. this is going from bad to worse 🙈 why am I s naive and daft hahaha...

This then becomes a big and costly job

A new case, and paying someone to rebuild it for me. I don't trust myself to do a proper clean job without breaking something !

There's nothing at all that can adequately cool the 3700x and will fit?! Absolute disaster !!
 

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Maybe. Are you against installing an AIO liquid cooler, because there are some pretty good 240mm all in one coolers that should work and will fit both the CPU and the case. They are also fairly easy to install.

Honestly, I think you could probably handle a case swap as well, but I'll leave that up to you. You would know better than I about that aspect.
 

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Right - sod it. Case swap it is!

Recommendations that suit my needs?

I really like the current case I have comes with magnetic dust filter / cover things on top and bottom. Something similar with the new case would be great.

Obviously I need something a lot bigger to fit the new cooler in.. which will also give me room for expansion in the future.

Will my MoBo fit all cases? Aorus B450 I Pro WiFi

Thanks again, in advance.

This is turning in to an expensive and time consuming job 🙈 hopefully I can manage the rebuild myself for the first time!
 

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I think you CAN manage it. Honestly, if you can assemble a piece of furniture like a bookshelf or childs crib or playpen, from instructions, then you can assemble a PC. It's really NOT rocket science. It simply takes a modicum of intelligence (Obviously, you have that) and patience. Most problems happen because people get or are, impatient. They want it done NOW, and are not willing to take their time and do the research (If you get stumped on something) and work required to make sure everything has been done correctly.

It WOULD be much easier to simply shove an AIO liquid cooler in your current case. Save probably a lot of time and money, but I have no idea how well your case does with an AIO installed, thermal performance efficiency, etc.

This is probably your simplest and least expensive solution, but will involve sending back the cooler you already ordered. This is a very good cooler. Reviews show it to be both inexpensive AND probably the very best 240mm AIO cooler out there at the moment.

https://www.awd-it.co.uk/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-240mm-multi-compatible-all-in-one-cpu-water-cooler.html?wgu=13527_206719_15953541980878_960b7bcdcb&wgexpiry=1603130198&source=webgains&siteid=206719


But if you are down for the case swap, then my knee jerk recommendation would be for one of the Fractal Design cases like the Define R6, Define R7, Define C meshify, Define S2 meshify, etc. On the cheaper end of the scale they also have a budget case, the Focus G, which is pretty good for a 50 dollar case. A really decent case is going to cost 100-150 bucks though.

Pretty much any ATX mid tower case these days will support ATX, micro ATX and mini ITX motherboards, so that should not be a problem but verify. Always verify before purchasing anything. I guess I should have said that BEFORE you ordered anything. Sorry.

Other case brands worth considering are Phanteks, Corsair, Lian Li and there are also a FEW Cooler Master and Thermaltake cases worth looking at although much of what those two sell are cheap crap.
 

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