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Archived from groups: rec.games.roguelike.adom (More info?)

I try to generate a character using this version, and as soon as I've
chosen my talent set, it crashes (assuming I've chosen "very skilled"
as a talent). The adom.err file says:

"Basic ADOM Bug Report Data
--------------------------

Version: Version 1.1.1 (Windows)
Error: Illegal skill advancement (3/0)."

And then follows with a partial state dump. (which is mostly zeros)

Anyone know a workaround, or has Tom just not got around to implemting
it in the Windows version yet?
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.roguelike.adom (More info?)

tim.challe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I try to generate a character using this version, and as
> soon as I've chosen my talent set, it crashes (assuming
> I've chosen "very skilled" as a talent)
>
[SNIP]

This is perhaps the most frequent bug report in the
database on adom.de. The game will crash if you select
Skilled and/or a derived talent. Just don't select it and
you'll be fine.

There is a patch, but it does more than merely fix this
problem. It tampers seriously with game mechanics and
makes the game significantly easier. The patch is not
official in any way. You can find it here

http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~houeland/adom/

My subjective recommendation is _not_ to use it and accept
the flaws for time being.
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.roguelike.adom (More info?)

On 19 Jan 2005 19:42:59 -0800, maddog@dsr.kvl.dk wrote:

>tim.challe...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I try to generate a character using this version, and as
>> soon as I've chosen my talent set, it crashes (assuming
>> I've chosen "very skilled" as a talent)
>>
>[SNIP]
>
>This is perhaps the most frequent bug report in the
>database on adom.de. The game will crash if you select
>Skilled and/or a derived talent. Just don't select it and
>you'll be fine.

It may be a problem when you run out of talent choices. (But this won't
happen in practice, since it is only available at character birth.)

The same will be true for other buggy talents that may crop up - they will
render the game unplayable.
 
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<tim.challener@gmail.com> wrote:

> I try to generate a character using this version, and as soon as I've
> chosen my talent set, it crashes (assuming I've chosen "very skilled"
> as a talent). The adom.err file says:
>
> "Basic ADOM Bug Report Data
> --------------------------
>
> Version: Version 1.1.1 (Windows)
> Error: Illegal skill advancement (3/0)."
>
> And then follows with a partial state dump. (which is mostly zeros)
>
> Anyone know a workaround, or has Tom just not got around to implemting
> it in the Windows version yet?
>


I knew there was at least one person out there who didn't know about this
bug! 'Luckily' our bug list failed totally in informing people about bugs.
Great. So right now we can't use it for Thomas, because it's incomplete
and nobody new to adom knows about it.
I just *love* things that don't serve any purpose at all ;-)

Next time just take a look at http://adombugs.100free.com/

--
If you can lead it to water and force it to drink, it isn't a horse.
 
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xhoch3 wrote:
> <tim.challener@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I try to generate a character using this version, and as soon as I've
>> chosen my talent set, it crashes (assuming I've chosen "very skilled"
>> as a talent). The adom.err file says:
>
> I knew there was at least one person out there who didn't know about
> this bug! 'Luckily' our bug list failed totally in informing people
> about bugs. Great. So right now we can't use it for Thomas, because
> it's incomplete and nobody new to adom knows about it.

What would you expect? I'd guess that 90% of the ADOM players have never
set foot into this newsgroup. Most of them probably don't know what a
newsgroup *is*.

> I just *love* things that don't serve any purpose at all ;-)
>
> Next time just take a look at http://adombugs.100free.com/

Let's not be rude; there's no reason to expect that Tim knows about that
list.

Malte
 
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Malte Helmert <helmert@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:

> xhoch3 wrote:
>> <tim.challener@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I try to generate a character using this version, and as soon as I've
>>> chosen my talent set, it crashes (assuming I've chosen "very skilled"
>>> as a talent). The adom.err file says:
>> I knew there was at least one person out there who didn't know about
>> this bug! 'Luckily' our bug list failed totally in informing people
>> about bugs. Great. So right now we can't use it for Thomas, because
>> it's incomplete and nobody new to adom knows about it.
>
> What would you expect? I'd guess that 90% of the ADOM players have never
> set foot into this newsgroup. Most of them probably don't know what a
> newsgroup *is*.
>
>> I just *love* things that don't serve any purpose at all ;-)
>> Next time just take a look at http://adombugs.100free.com/
>
> Let's not be rude; there's no reason to expect that Tim knows about that
> list.
>

No, it wasn't meant as being rude towards Tim (sorry Tim, if you have
thought so), it was just that I wanted to make a point what the current
bug list is good for: not very much.
But we should think about what we want the bug list for. If it is for
Thomas, it is useless, because it's incomplete. If it is for newbies it is
pointless, because nobody knows about it. It's just that I tried to figur
out what current use it has.

Sorry Tim.

--
You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today.
 
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xhoch3 wrote:
> Malte Helmert <helmert@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:
>
>> xhoch3 wrote:
>>
>>> <tim.challener@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just *love* things that don't serve any purpose at all ;-)
>>> Next time just take a look at http://adombugs.100free.com/
>>
>>
>> Let's not be rude; there's no reason to expect that Tim knows about
>> that list.
>>
>
> No, it wasn't meant as being rude towards Tim (sorry Tim, if you have
> thought so), it was just that I wanted to make a point what the current
> bug list is good for: not very much.
> But we should think about what we want the bug list for. If it is for
> Thomas, it is useless, because it's incomplete. If it is for newbies it
> is pointless, because nobody knows about it. It's just that I tried to
> figur out what current use it has.
>
> Sorry Tim.

It's a work in progress. We're already discussing extracting the bug
database and going through it to make a complete and useful bug list and
such... give it time.
 
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xhoch3 wrote:
> Malte Helmert <helmert@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:
>
>> xhoch3 wrote:
>>

[regarding the bug list]

>>> I just *love* things that don't serve any purpose at all ;-)
>>> Next time just take a look at http://adombugs.100free.com/
>>
>> Let's not be rude; there's no reason to expect that Tim knows about
>> that list.
>
> No, it wasn't meant as being rude towards Tim (sorry Tim, if you have
> thought so), it was just that I wanted to make a point what the current
> bug list is good for: not very much.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

> But we should think about what we want the bug list for. If it is for
> Thomas, it is useless, because it's incomplete. If it is for newbies it
> is pointless, because nobody knows about it. It's just that I tried to
> figur out what current use it has.

Let's see what comes out of the attempt of contacting Thomas. I am sure
we can put the list to some useful purpose, but there is little we can
(and should) do without discussing it with Thomas first. Patience is a
virtue. 🙂

Malte
 
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Malte Helmert <helmert@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:

> xhoch3 wrote:
>> Malte Helmert <helmert@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:
>>
>>> xhoch3 wrote:
>>>
>
> [regarding the bug list]
>
>>>> I just *love* things that don't serve any purpose at all ;-)
>>>> Next time just take a look at http://adombugs.100free.com/
>>>
>>> Let's not be rude; there's no reason to expect that Tim knows about
>>> that list.
>> No, it wasn't meant as being rude towards Tim (sorry Tim, if you have
>> thought so), it was just that I wanted to make a point what the
>> current bug list is good for: not very much.
>
> Sorry for the misunderstanding.
>
>> But we should think about what we want the bug list for. If it is for
>> Thomas, it is useless, because it's incomplete. If it is for newbies it
>> is pointless, because nobody knows about it. It's just that I tried to
>> figur out what current use it has.
>
> Let's see what comes out of the attempt of contacting Thomas. I am sure
> we can put the list to some useful purpose, but there is little we can
> (and should) do without discussing it with Thomas first. Patience is a
> virtue. 🙂
>

Yeah patience is a virtue. But in that thread a year ago, where this idea
was already discussed, it just lead to a discussion whether winrar or bzip
were better. I just wanted to avoid that kind of failure this time. As
twinge said:
> 'actions speak louder than words'
And after all I am German, I am used to somebody telling me what to do and
then doing it. And not sitting around and endlessly discussing it. ;-)

--
ASCII bug fixing comic:
http://www.nerd-boy.net/nbbrowse.php?beg=621&end=625#625
 
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xhoch3 wrote:
> Malte Helmert <helmert@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:
>
>> Let's see what comes out of the attempt of contacting Thomas. I am
>> sure we can put the list to some useful purpose, but there is little
>> we can (and should) do without discussing it with Thomas first.
>> Patience is a virtue. 🙂
>>
> Yeah patience is a virtue. But in that thread a year ago, where this
> idea was already discussed, it just lead to a discussion whether winrar
> or bzip were better. I just wanted to avoid that kind of failure this
> time.

No, something *did* happen. Thomas got an e-mail and he said "No".
Being reasonable people, we politely accepted his decision.

> As twinge said:
>
>> 'actions speak louder than words'

I wonder if Thomas enjoys all that shouting then?

> And after all I am German, I am used to somebody telling me what to do
> and then doing it. And not sitting around and endlessly discussing it. ;-)

Yeah, the German term for that is "blinder Aktivismus". 🙂

Malte
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.roguelike.adom (More info?)

;-)
>
> Yeah, the German term for that is "blinder Aktivismus". 🙂
>
> Malte

With a little help from google language tools, that was a pretty
funny remark.
 
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